You have to answer my question first. I just want to know. Do they continue? Stop taking everything so personal, snowflake.
Well, I made it through about 3 pages of this drivel. Then I remembered. There were some knotheads who thought that St. Dan was horrible, should have been traded, never should have been drafted, etc., etc., etc., - back in the day! Haters gonna hate. Lovers gonna love. Then there some who wouldn't be happy if The Lord God Almighty decided to play QB for the Dolphins. (Forgive me, Lord. And feed the starvin.........)
The Tannehill threads... However, if you want to bet on one of us never coming back if Tannehill is/isn’t the QB beyond 2018, I’m all for it... easy money.. especially if we lose Jarvis.... can I have your club membership too?
Gotta love a fan that roots for our QB1 to do poorly so he can save $29. If that's all it takes, why don't I just send you a gift card for Golden Corral- they have those in New England, don't they?
Serious question, any trouble identifying if a QB has to bail from his first read when watching film? I mean, in the 3.1 seconds is it not pretty damn easy to you?
He already provides the proof or have you not seen his web site, or countless posts? Jesus. When are you going to provide anything btw?
I don't need to provide anything? i provided an opinion, folks are more than welcome to disagree that was to be expected. But to come in attacking like that?? Yea, not just gonna let that fly. I have zero issues sticking up for myself as you likely know. And again, he used a very irrelevant example to what was initially proclaimed. The evidence is right there, I don't make things up, put words in peoples mouth because I do not need to go that low to try and be "king of message board guy". This same guy made a DK like post to you about OL in another thread, I saw it...didnt rush to "like it" or intervene because that would be childish. Paint the picture anyway u want, but it is what it is.
You provide opinions, then insult people when they disagree and pretend like they make up evidence they provide and when you're shown you're wrong, you still won't provide any evidence. I didn't;t know if you liked it or not, cause I don;t care who likes or doesn't like a post. Maybe you put too much stock into hat kind of thing.
I responded as insulting as I was approached. I wasn't shown I was wrong, you really STILL do not get that? Nevermind.
You've repeatedly been shown your wrong, you don't get that. Numerous people have proven that you're wrong about Thill over the years and EVERY TIME they prove that to you, you resort to the same things, calling them extreme, pretend like they're irrational, act like they're in love with Thill and in all that time, you've not only never admitted you're wrong, you've also never backed your opinion with any evidence. And you've been given numerous chances to back up your opinion and EVERY TIME you divert with insults. EVERY. TIME.
You haven't shown that you have any actual ability to form a valid opinion by watching film. That is the point. Show that you actually understand what you're seeing. Notice I haven't claimed that Tannehill doesn't have a problem after his first read, I don't know if he does...I don't think he does, from reading other people who do break down film. Give some proof, other than an opinion, and maybe people wouldn't be arguing with you. Instead, you'd rather have this pissing match over not breaking down some plays.
This may have been covered already, but I can't bring myself to wade through a THill megathread. For those who think he is a quality QB ... what price would you potentially trade him for? If we could snag - for instance - a Cleveland 1st and 2nd rounder do you take? This is going to be an interesting offseason for QB. We have potentially 4 big names being FA or traded (Cousins, Alex Smith, Sam Bradford, Case Keenum), another few a step below (Tyrod Taylor, Teddy B.) and potentially 5 first round grade rookies. In that kind of frenzy the first thought is that of depressed prices ... but what if some might consider THill the best of that bunch (I am not sure I would) and that might drive his price up - people don't want a JAG, they want someone better. Why not just keep him here then? I just keep looking at what the Eagles did - they decided on a guy, they made moves aggressively and got him. Granted, their situation was worse than ours QB wise, but Wentz still took them to the top seed in the NFC. The energy, the excitement ... I never got any of that from THill. I'm just not excited for another year of him.
Ummm I do not need to prove to you or anyone my ability to to do anything football related. I do however have an open challenge to any one who wants to pick games against the spread with me for an entire year. If I have no clue what I'm talking about, i should be quite easy to beat. Not sure how else I can prove anything to you guy's on a message board. I mean the fact that you think his pre snap breakdowns had anything to do with me saying he struggled when his first read was taken away, kind of tells me all i need to know about the type of people who are just chiming in with an agenda as opposed to anyone who is chiming in with a legit opinion. If someone doesn't really know or care to know that his pre snap reads are irrelevant, that's fine. But to just jump in and blindly assume it does, is a bad look because it certainly has no bearing on it.
You mean the same Eagles team that Foles came in and threw 4 tds his first game? The Eagles have a good team. But, yes, I would trade Tannehill for the Browns 1st and 2nd rounders.
If we were to even get a one from Cleveland (#1 or #4) this team would personally pack his bags and drive him to Cleveland. And I say this with the belief that he may even sneak in to that vaunted top 10 status he has flirted with in the past.
LMAO YOU made the claim, with zero proof. You still won't give proof. Now, you want to be done with that discussion, and instead want to go pick-em on games next year? I question your ability to actually see anything worthwhile postsnap if you don't know what you're seeing presnap. That's the point. you've given nothing, but are ****ting all over the guy who is actually showing something. You're a special kind of crazy, dude.
One last time. Read this, sound it out, think hard after each word. I GAVE MY OPINION on things I saw in the 5-6 games, I didn't spend a lot of time worrying if someone like you wants proof of my opinion. I mean I just showed you an interception vs the Browns and your reply was "ummmm ohhh wellllll yeaaaa I think the WR ran the wrong route" I mean c'mon, nobody outside of like 2 people here really believe that non sense. And not a soul asked for proof on anything I said positive, and THAT fact makes the people who try and nitpick, tools. And yes, if I'm just some blowhard who doesn't know the first thing on what he is seeing? Come get some free money. If I'm inferior then I will be an easy out. Sounds like a gift, to me.
1. Opinions can be wrong. You keep saying you turned your opinion off what you saw... WHAT DID YOU SEE??? 2. Again, you're misrepresenting a post, surprise surprise. I ACTUALLY said it was most likely an int due to getting hit by two defenders as he was throwing. I mentioned the wrong route as an afterthought. But, for a guy so well versed in football theory, you should be able to correct that for me. For a y who *****es nonstop about people misrepresenting your posts, you sure love to do it. 3. Because I don't care about what you think he did well? I'm interested in what you think he did wrong, and would like to see how you came to that conclusion. I haven't heard people say that Tannehill struggles after read one. 4. I couldn't care less how good you are at picking winners. That has nothing to do with your ability to watch a play and know what's going on further than "Ball snapped, QB threw, receiver caught."
Sooo I'm a big Tannehill fan, but I don't think the type of proof that is being asked for is realistic, or necessary. Fin-O can make an observation that Tannehill struggles with his 2nd read, based on any number of things. A QB might nervously pat the ball, or he might get happy feet while not actually moving in the pocket, or could look erratic when getting past the first look with the football. Its an opinion and fans SHOULD be allowed to have it on a fan forum site. Asking for coach analysis breakdown of the plays to "verify" their ability to know what they are taking about is asking a lot. If 2 fans want to go back and fourth with that type of information in a discussion, I'm more then happy to read along. Demanding that level of breakdown on anything less then a job interview, is going over the top. I've seen Fin-O make points that are keen observations before. We don't agree on Tannehill, but that doesn't make his posts any less enlightening to read. If the new standard for the site is "you better back it up with an INSANE level of proof", then this will quickly become a dead site...
I agree with a lot of that. But we'll talk about the absurdity of insane levels of proof after we get ANY proof.....
Sure. He's, however, offering no proof. I think it's reasonable to say, "Tannehill struggles after his first read because I've seen *insert something* when watching film."
In December, Brady completed just 61.3% of his passes, had a 6 to 5 TD to INT ratio and a passer rating of 81.6. This isn't Tanny info per se, but the Pats went 4-1 over this period and overcame the poor play by Brady. Just food for thought...
What's interesting is that 4 out of 5 were divisional games! 12/03 @Buffalo (82 rating) 12/11 @MIA (60 rating) 12/17 @PIT (88 rating) 12/24 BUF (107 rating) 12/31 NYJ (82 rating) Maybe that merely suggests that AFC East teams have a leg up when it comes to stopping the NE passing game. Miami accomplished that very well. Buffalo did a decent job at home. The Jets did alright, too (and that was on the road). In Brady's defense, I suppose an 88 rating in December in Pittsburgh probably isn't terrible. In the end, NE did a good job limiting the Bills' and Jets' offenses. The game in Pittsburgh could've gone either way.
They may have a leg up on stopping their passing attack, but the team won 4 games while Brady's passer rating didn't correlate with going 4-1. Should have been 3-2, but that's another argument. LOL
I'm sure @cbrad could work it out, but I wonder what the average winning % is for a team with a QB that has an 81.6 passer rating. I bet it's not 80%.
Not too mention this is nothing new. Over the years, numerous unfounded accusations about Thill have been levied without evidence or reasons by the poster in question and numerous others.
Just use the equation W = 0.189*PR - 8.97 for expected wins given a passer rating for a QB (in 2014-2016). So plugging in PR = 81.6 you get W = 6.45, or expected win% of 40.3% in a 16 game season.
Yeah, it's been pointed out many times that the Patriots have a win % of like 60% when Brady plays with a below average rating.
I didn't mean for that to come across as an accusation at all. I have watched the back and forth with Resnor you and Fin-O several times, and I have weighed in more then a few times myself. I usually enjoy it, this post thread itself felt like it was going down a little bit of a "if you can't show me Xs and Os then your opinion is invalid" path. I do agree that over the years Tannehill gets unfairly criticized for a lot that goes wrong with the team. I have also seen Fin-O starting to give Tannehill more credit for growing as a player. Its going to be on Tannehill to win over his critics. Having a bad environment gives us a valid excuse to say its unfair to say he is bad, however, the counter to that is that we need to see what he does in a good environment before we can call him great. This next year is going to be a big year for Tannehill. Its pretty much all or nothing. I think I have seen enough to bet that Tannehill is going to come out on fire, and prove a lot of people wrong.
So in short, the Pats exceed the average by nearly 100%? Yeah, Brady is the reason the Pats are so good. (sarcasm in case any one was confused)lol
Brady's weighted (by passing attempts) average passer rating from 2014-2017 is 103.48, and when you plug that into that equation you get an expected 10.58 wins per season. That team has won on average 12 games per season in that time, so the team is adding 1.5 extra wins per season for Brady, estimated.
I remember looking at stats for Brady and Wilson vs Tannehill, looking at wins and losses when the QBs throw below an 85 rating, and it was amazing to see how much more Brady wins when playing average or below average, especially compared to Tannehill. I don't remember the exact numbers, but Miami only won a couple games, if I remember correctly, through his career, when he plays at or below an 85 rating.
