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The Miami curse continues.

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by hitman8, Jan 30, 2018.

  1. hitman8

    hitman8 Well-Known Member

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    Seems every time we let a player go they do great somewhere else.

     
  2. invid

    invid Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I always held out hope for Dion Jordan, but I'm not sure how much blame you can assign to the Dolphins. It took 3 years of substance rehabilitation, suspensions, and a signing by a team super close to his support system and home to get him playing like he should have years ago.
     
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  3. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    I think it can be attributed to Miami. Not the best place to not party. All we have in Seattle is homelessness and meth. Who doesn't have meth?
     
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  4. M1NDCRlME

    M1NDCRlME Fear The Spear

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    **** him!
     
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  5. Pauly

    Pauly Season Ticket Holder

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    Even that being a cut up of his good plays, almost all of his highlights show him being slow to react. He has the speed that he can get to the QB/ballcarrier once he knows where they are, but if I’m an OC I am definitely going to put misdirection plays to take advantage of his slowness between the ears into the gameplan.

    Someone said they graded Dion Jordan as a 3rd rounder, much less 3rd overall, because he was highly athletic but limited ntellectually. What I saw there doesn’t alter that very much. Maybe in a a year or two with more experience he’ll start playing smart, but until he starts playing smart he’ll be a bust.

    Another thing of note, for all the criticism Philbin got for playing him at DE, DE is exactly where the Seahawks have him playing. And it appears its precisely for the same reason Philbin moved him to DE, you can’t trust him to make good decisions in the open field.
     
  6. aesop

    aesop Well-Known Member

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    **** that bum.
     
  7. shamegame13

    shamegame13 Madison & Surtain

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    It’s just a matter of time till the **** up comes.... just wait on it, it will be here shortly, sorry for the delay. Lol
     
  8. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    Whenever I see an attractive woman in a beater car the car doesn't look that bad.

    Seattle's defense is the hot woman and Jordan is the car.
     
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  9. Vertical Limit

    Vertical Limit Senior Member

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    Eh, i can put a highlight reel of our worst player too.

    No team will ever commit long term with dion jordan again, his status blocks that. Any strike and ge misses significant time. Whether it is accidental (from supplements) or intentional. So really, who cares what he does now. He can have 13 sacks one season but if he fails a drug test the following offseason now youre left with a hole again.
     
  10. TheOne

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    :chuckle:
     
  11. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity

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    Details - https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/12/28/dion-jordan-seahawks-comeback-2013-draft-drug-alchohol-suspension

    Some Miami specific quotes:



    In the long, sad, anguished history of draft busts, there’s a checklist of common problems. Jordan struggled with most of them, from drinking and drug use to injury and ambivalence. Hence his plummet from promising young talent to football pariah in two seasons.

    Jordan cops to all of it. He didn’t take his career seriously enough. He ignored anyone who warned him. He prioritized bad habits. He hung around the wrong friends. And he was distracted by South Beach and all that Miami glamour. As a rookie in 2013 Jordan had just 19 tackles and two sacks, playing in all 16 games as a Dolphins reserve. “My production was directly related to what I was doing off the field,” he says. “I put nothing into it. I was just showing up.”

    He was 23 then, rich—his four-year contract was worth roughly $20 million—almost famous and living in Miami. He deserved to have fun, he reasoned, and he could handle it. He dabbled in molly and ecstasy and smoked marijuana. Mostly he liked to drink. He preferred hard alcohol and consumed all kinds. He told himself he’d party only on some weekends. That became every weekend, and that became every weekend and some weeknights. Eventually, he says, he could drink all night without blacking out. “It becomes exhausting,” Jordan says. “Because every day you’re trying to chase that feeling you had yesterday.”

    The Dolphins had traded picks Nos. 12 and 42 to move up and draft Jordan, based almost entirely on his potential. He had managed only 14.5 sacks in four seasons at Oregon, where the Ducks rotated defensive linemen in shifts like hockey lines. Still, Jordan stood 6' 6" and weighed 248 pounds and ran a 4.6-second 40-yard dash, and that combination of size and speed is what made him so enticing. He ran faster than some NFL receivers."

    "He never stopped partying during that first suspension. At that point he had not yet tried to quit. He says the Dolphins went out of their way to offer him help, and from the very top. His biggest supporter was Stephen Ross, the team’s owner and billionaire real estate developer, who checked in with Jordan regularly via phone calls and offered to take care of whatever treatment Jordan might need. “He did all he could to keep me a Miami Dolphin,” Jordan says. “They don’t let too many people make as many mistakes as I did.”

    After more failed drug tests, Jordan was suspended for all of 2015. He lost $5.6 million in salary and bonus money, and he didn’t really care. His life was a mess, and the circumstances only made it worse. Per NFL rules he was banned from the team facility. He had no mentors, a serious drinking problem, money to spend and endless free time. “When things aren’t going his way, he doesn’t seek more attention by trying to cause chaos,” Azim says. “He hides. He locks himself in a room.”

    Jordan had never been in that kind of trouble before. When he saw his name scrolling across the sports news ticker, he knew. He had “f----- up big time.”"

    "Reports surfaced that the Dolphins wanted to trade him. That stung, so he drank. He obtained reinstatement from the NFL in July 2016 and felt not peace but pressure. His solution: drink. “I decided to feel sorry for myself,” he says.

    The more he went to therapy, the more he realized he had only one person to blame for all his problems: Dion Jordan. He’s asked how much responsibility he should take, given the events of his childhood, the expectations in the NFL, the family obligations. “All of it,” Jordan says. “At every turn, I had options. I could have spoken up and told someone I was hurting. I just pushed it down and kept moving.”

    "After his reinstatement, Jordan returned to Miami for the 2016 season. Except that he had injured his left knee during those workouts in San Francisco. The Dolphins put him on the Reserve/Non-Football Injury list, shelving him for at least the first part of the season while he recovered. Here he was, 3,000 miles from Azim and his support system, alone and again not playing football. He figured he could have one drink when he went out. That became two drinks and then four. This “hiccup” was not one incident but a series of them. “It was getting worse and worse,” Azim says. “Like, oh, s---, this is getting dangerous.”"

    "The Dolphins allowed Jordan to return to San Francisco in December. He went back to Azim. They mapped out a daily schedule:

    All day—focus on yourself and winning
    9:20: pray for gratitude and forgiveness
    10: Empower training camp
    11:30: NFL Counselor Check-In
    Noon: AA meeting

    Azim and Cable discussed possible next steps, and Cable suggested his son move to San Francisco to live with Jordan and help him sustain his sobriety. So Alex moved into Jordan’s one-bedroom apartment, sleeping on a pullout couch, accompanying Jordan to meetings and eating takeout with him every night. “It felt like Alex genuinely cared about me,” Jordan says.

    “He didn’t ask me for anything.”

    The Dolphins released Jordan in late March. He understood. Local writers tabbed him the biggest draft bust in team history. Still, more than a dozen teams reached out to Hendrickson to inquire about his status. Jordan wanted to stay on the west coast, if possible, to remain closer to his family in San Francisco and the trainer who changed his life."
     
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  12. djphinfan

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    sucks but seemingly true, what you gonna do...the curse continues , like the man said.
     
  13. jdallen1222

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    Good to know we have the kind of owner that takes a personal interest.
     
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  14. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    Sometimes there are situations where a player just needs a new environment. Looks like Jordan is one of them.

    Seattle is perfect. It is so dark and gloomy here during the fall and winter there is nothing to do but concentrate on football.
     
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  15. miamiron

    miamiron There's always next year

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    Jordan had 19 tackles,7 assisted tackles and 2 sacks on 330 offensive snaps in his rookie year

    Harris had 15 tackles,4 assisted tackles and 2 sacks on 497 offensive snaps in his rookie year

    means nothing
     
  16. hitman8

    hitman8 Well-Known Member

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    It means even with all his mental and off the field issues Jordan is more talented than harris, when he is actuality on the field that is.
     
  17. invid

    invid Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Athelticism, no doubt. Have a hunch that Charles Harris is going to surpass Dion Jordan's 2nd.. 3rd.. and 4th year though.

    Just a hunch.
     
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  18. Pauly

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    With Harris we’ve seen a solid improvement in his ability to diagnose plays and develop multiple moves. Jordan never developed his game here, and for me the biggest issue with his performance wasn’t the plays he made, it was the plays he gave up because he kept putting himself in the wrong position.

    Quoting the sacks/tackles made isn’t the whole picture, you also need to look at missed tackles, missed assignments too. Harris has definitely had far fewer negative plays allowed than Jordan did.
     
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  19. invid

    invid Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    The whole Harris sack stat is so overblown.

    Watch Harris' pressures, he made opposing QBs throw the ball away a lot, wrecking the play. The fact that they weren't sacks doesn't dilute the fact that he's, most likely, going to be a pretty dependable pass-rusher in the NFL.
     
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  20. ripper1961

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    He was a dumbass.
     
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  21. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    Correct. He was one of the best rookie edge rushers in the league last season.
     
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  22. Pauly

    Pauly Season Ticket Holder

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    Dependable in both senses of the word
    - Reliable at creating positive plays, and
    - Not giving up big plays.
     
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  23. FinNasty

    FinNasty Alabama don’t want this... Staff Member Club Member

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    That's nonsense though. Plenty of players live in Davie/Weston/Plantation (I could jog to Landry's house) area that is no where near the party scene of Miami...

    I was so hopeful for Dion. That was really depressing to watch...
     
  24. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    That's nonsense. Seattle is nowhere near the party scene of Miami. If it is a reasonable Uber away, it is near.
     
  25. FinNasty

    FinNasty Alabama don’t want this... Staff Member Club Member

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    Oh, I'm just saying he shouldn't have lived in a place that was so tempting if he was living in downtown Miami and partying it up. Its easy to stay away from when its a 45min to an hour drive. Uber or not, Miami is far away man, lol. Landry and Juwuan James live close to me, and Billy Turner and Vernon did as well before changing teams...
     
  26. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    45 minutes to an hour isn't far. Especially if you are rich and can hire a driver.

    No temptation when living in Seattle. That is like a 10 hour flight.
     

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