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Ajayi took his shot

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by MrPhinn, Feb 6, 2018.

  1. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    This is why he's no longer a Dolphin and currently the 3rd string RB in Philly. He's immature.

    Also, Drake is better.
     
  2. slickj101

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    He just looks stupid to try to take a lot of credit for Philly's success, especially after our running game took off immediately after he was bounced.
     
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  3. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    Yeah pretty much **** this guy. Both Blount and Clement outshined him - his role seemed pretty superfluous. I mean good on him with a ring, but we didn't and won't miss him, nor was he really an integral part of the Eagles success.
     
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  4. gilv13

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    It's hard to take anyone serious that uses "Yurp" in a sentence.
     
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  5. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    I thought that was a typo.
     
  6. Surfs Up 99

    Surfs Up 99 Team Flores & Team Tua

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    I was happy for him, but not anymore because he has a big mouth. He's a decent player, but Gase wouldn't have shipped him off if he wasn't such a problem and accepted responsibility for his actions. Rubbing Gase's nose in it shows this guy has no class. Good riddance.
     
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  7. djphinfan

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    I think he’s trending downwards bigtime
     
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  8. Sceeto

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    I don't really give a s--t what he says. However, it would have been cool to see he and Drake correctly used together.
     
  9. Carmen Cygni

    Carmen Cygni Well-Known Member

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    That wasn't just a shot, holding that trophy he blew his load and rightfully so. Good for him in landing with the real offensive guru in that '16 HC class.
     
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  10. ripper1961

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    Besides Ajayi's 26 yard run he was 8 for 31 which is about what he gives you.His 57 yards in the SB was I think a little below his game average for us.Any running back in the league will break one sometime.
     
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  11. Carmen Cygni

    Carmen Cygni Well-Known Member

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    Outside a few games in his career here, we had a severely unbalanced run/pass ratio. In fact, for '18 we had the most unbalanced ratio in the league by passing for almost 64% of the time. That's Philbin-like football.
     
  12. Dorfdad

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    You are all crazy. We have had many more players with bad attitudes and less desire to win games that Ajayi I’m so glad he got to win a title and he did help the Eagles down the line. Philly has three big backs they can rotate and keep fresh that’s crazy depth!

    It’s so funny that when we got Gase and philly got Pederson I was 100% sure we would win a Super Bowl before them. He inherited a gutted team from Chip Kelly and we had hired the Guru. I’m so wrong Pederson has shown he’s a much better Head Coach than Gase. He’s a great QB and players Coach. He’s got balls of steel Gase wouldn’t even go for it one 4th and one during the season when it didn’t matter yet alone in the Super Bowl!

    Stop hating. I’m still a Dolphins fan but I’m also an Eagles Fan live by up here in PA and this is the kind of team and coaches we need in Miami. Not these I called a bad game and blame the players that’s horrible coaching.

    I’m going to the Parade and hopefully get a pic with Ajayi I’ll tell em Gase said hello!
     
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  13. muskrat21

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    it's not so much that pederson out coached gase. it's more that Jeffy L up in philly put back together the FO that chip kelly wanted control of. Instead of firing their GM when chip wanted control of player moves, they just changed his title. As soon as chip was gone, he was moved back to GM, and a few other FO positions. Our FO is still a joke, is dan marino is charge? is will grier? is Tannebaum? no one knows for sure.
     
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  14. muskrat21

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    don't show that to ajayi might break his ego. also don't tell ajayi that he's the 3rd string running back in philly, that will definitely break his ego.
     
  15. Carmen Cygni

    Carmen Cygni Well-Known Member

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    Lost the last 7 of 9 games after Ajayi was traded. Maybe instead of highlighting pointless fantasy numbers, there should be a focus on if Gase began to lose the team around that same point in time.
     
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  16. jw3102

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    Peterson is clearly a better headcoach than Gase. He lost his MVP candidate QB during the regular season and yet he was able to use the strengths of his backup QB to win a SB.

    Gase failed to do anything prior to the 2017 season to upgrade the backup QB position on the team. Instead he went with Moore, knowing that Tannehill was coming off a major knee injury which had not been operated on. Once Tannehill went down before the season started, Gase then wasted ten million dollars signing a QB who was no better than Moore.

    In two years Peterson will still be coaching the Eagles and will be considered one of the top coaches in the NFL. Gase will likely be an assistant on another NFL team by 2020.
     
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  17. Dorfdad

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    In fairness to Gase the front office and GM make those moves.
     
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  18. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    How are you able to foresee the future? Are you a wizard?

    When you're playing from behind you tend to pass more.
     
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  19. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    It does utterly amaze me the amount of finger pointing that goes on and WHO fingers are pointed at

    Tannehill goes down during preseason and it’s Gases fault for not shoring up the backup qb when personnel decisions are made in the front office.

    We have the 31st ranked defense in yards allowed in 2016 and it’s Tannehill’s fault we lost games.

    Cutler plays like GARBAGE in relief of Tannehill this past season and yet it’s his head fans are crying for.

    The amount of ignorance just utterly amazes me.
     
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  20. texanphinatic

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    I think Pederson, barring regression, has inserted himself into a top 5 at least discussion among coaches. He matched BB step for step, something that few if any have done. He thoroughly outcoached Zimmer, and stole that game against Quinn's Falcons.

    I am not going to moan about backup QB's though - he did a great job with Foles but if we are honest, Foles was an aberration. Backup QBs rarely if ever perform at that level. And even Foles only performed at this level for 2 games. It was the 2 that counted most, but let's not pretend the Eagles didn't miss a beat for awhile. There is a reason they are immediately going back to Wentz and a reason they were underdogs in every game.

    I mean, look at how the Packers did without Rogers. Look at the Steelers flounder every time Ben goes down. Texans after Watson's knee. THAT is the norm. You can criticize Gase for not being above the norm if you want, but to imply that we should have kept on trucking is unrealistic. Even the Patriots' one year without Brady they missed the playoffs.

    What Pederson did was exceptional and anomolous in coaching. You don't use that as the bar. It's also a bit risky due to sample size. While I think it unlikely, what will you say if the Eagles go 8-8 next year and lose the division to Dallas?

    The main takeaway from the Super Bowl and Pederson imo are three points that I think just about ALL coaches outside a small handful need to understand:

    1) SCHEME is one of the least important things in football. **** your precious schemes that require a precise type of player to pull off. In today's NFL you MUST be adaptable, versatile, open to change and innovation. If you try to jackhammer scheme into things, you will **** it up. That was his true genius. He didn't force Foles to be Wentz, he changed the playbook to do what Foles does well.

    2) A complete team is necessary absent a truly elite Rogers/Brady level QB. That means a solid defense that gets pressure, tackles well to prevents extra yards and is stout in the red zone. Offensively it means a solid OL with depth (there WILL be injuries), tough running backs who can get yards after contact and make plays catching, and diverse wideouts who can take advantage of multiple situations.

    3) Be aggressive. We don't need to go for it on fourth and 6 from our own 14 yard line, but stop settling for field goals, take more chances, don't be so risk-averse. This goes double when you are playing a top tier level win. Herm Edwards was a colossal moron, but his YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME quote is prescient.

    We can easily work on #1 and #3 this offseason. I think we are not at #2 unless we have a Saints type offseason. The question is do we pull a Kansas City and reject the middle road of Smith (Tannehill) and gamble on a new QB? Or do we try to build up the team and gamble it will be enough to support and elevate an average THill.
     
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  21. muskrat21

    muskrat21 Well-Known Member

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    you do know that Pederson is the guy that ORIGINALLY drafted Foles to the eagles right? Pederson was the QB coach at the time and convinced the FO to draft him.
     
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  22. muskrat21

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    is it drake's fault the defense regressed in those last 9 games?
     
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  23. seekerone

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    I keep thinking Gase has a plan and 2017 went very closely to what he expected after being dealt with all the setbacks. It's easy to look at 2017 and say he fell off the ladder. But did you see how he coached that last NE game? Will the real Adam Gase please stand up? Now he enters a prove it year with his QB who was rising speedily in 2016 before the injury. We'll see if Gase and Ryan light it up for us in 2018.

    OK, so now that I am in full fan cheerleader mode... might as well... I think Gase handled the adversity very well and we may be poised for a real breakout year. Fingers crossed that the frakin' sun starts actually shining in Miami again. Break this dambdable curse once and for EVER! I think we are in the right mindset... fix the OL, LBs and TEs. Get Drake a side-kick and replace Landry if we HAVE to (uggg). We are contenders if Ryan stays healthy. Go ahead and draft a great QB, or bring someone in to compete. Don't count on Ryan losing that spot, though. He's shown as much toughness and grit as any QB I've seen. His story is like a movie script. Each pile of adversity dumped in front of him, he's fought his way through. I don't have any doubt he'll come back stronger, more accurate, even deeper balls. Big ash balls. That's not because it's me just talking... It's actually what he's done time and again. So I expect it will be more of the same and the next RT we see, will be yet again... improved. Better. Playoff win? Knock NE off the AFC East throne? I think it's within reach. I don't know. It's a gut feeling. It's going to be a hell of a year. Especially if we don't die first (what?).
     
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  24. seekerone

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    Agreed. Both teams had very meaningful results from trickery type plays that had nothing to do with an identity scheme. One team blew it (Brady's drop), and the other thrilled it (Foles TD reception). They'd be racing about NE's genius of the results had been reversed. Patriots are known for adapting to each team they play. It does take very cerebral players to do that, or a coach that can get the players to "get-it".
     
  25. tirty8

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    Ajayi should be pissed. He single handedly led us to the playoffs last year, and we traded him for a bag of potato chips. He has every right to feel disrespected. Let's not kid ourself, if it wasn't for the performance of Ajayi last season, Gase may not have his job today.

    Gase doesn't have a clue what he is doing, and anytime a player challenges him, that player is sent packing #SeeYaJuice. I can see the future, Gase sends our talent walking this year and gets fired next year. The cupboard is left bare.
     
  26. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    Joking?
     
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  27. Carmen Cygni

    Carmen Cygni Well-Known Member

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    Haha touche'. Ratio was for '17.

    Ah yes, and our wondrous defense that was built to "play with the lead". What a bunch of horse-****-eating-eagles-fan that is.

    Anyways, there were too many times were we abandoned the run last year just like we did under the Philbin regime. Just because your down a score doesn't justify tossing common sense coaching out the window.[/QUOTE]
     
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  28. Carmen Cygni

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    You really have that backwards. Scheme is absolutely important, but you must be flexible according to your players strengths, and must be versatile within it. The Eagles were still a modern WCO under both Wentz and Foles, the difference was Pederson being flexible and added a few handful of concepts that fit Foles's strengths.
     
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  29. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    Yeah, but if you look at the top 16 passing teams in the league (by %), I think the passing % went from around 59% to 64%. That's not a huge discrepancy and I don't think it really means anything other than the Dolphins were playing from behind the majority of the season.
     
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  30. Carmen Cygni

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    It is when you consider play counts.

    We had the fewest number of run plays in the entire league with a pitiful 360 on the entire season. On the flipside, take NE who had a 40/60 run to pass ratio and yet had 516 runs.
     
  31. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    According to ESPN the Pats had 482 rushing attempts and 550 passing attempts. Miami had 477 passing and 405 rushing. So the Pats passed 53% and the Dolphins passed 54% of the time.

    In the post season, the Pats threw the ball 67% of the time. 141 vs 68.
     
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  32. Carmen Cygni

    Carmen Cygni Well-Known Member

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    I don't go to ESPN for statistics. I have memberships with Pro Football Reference and with Sharp Football Analysis (where I pulled the ratios from), both a far more accurate and detailed.

    According to that source, the Pats threw for 67% of the time in the playoffs . . . and lost. That's key.
     
  33. cbrad

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    You're looking at 2016 stats lol
    http://www.espn.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/rushing/year/2016/seasontype/2

    In general ESPN and pro-football-reference both tend to agree with the official nfl.com. There will be an occasion here or there where they don't and you have to be careful about that. Actually if there's a discrepancy it's more likely with pro-football-reference which occasionally actually has errors in it (they might not sum totals correctly!).

    But both sources are VERY good, and I use pfr almost exclusively as the database my program searches.
     
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  34. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    ****!..lol...So the Pats passed 57% (448 runs vs 587 passes_ of the time in 2017. The Dolphins passed 62.5%, 602 passes vs 360 runs.
     
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  35. dolphin25

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    in fairness, they did say he had a foot issue.
     
  36. dolphin25

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    yes, but they also put up 30 points... that is not bad and the only team to lose scoring that many points.
     
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    On Jimmy Kimmel, I thought it was interesting that Kimmel said, "Shouldn't you take this opportunity to thank the Dolphins for trading you?" You can tell the question sort of took him by surprise since he never thought to be thankful for that.


    I said in the past that I wish there was some way that we could have kept him, but now I really am glad the guy is gone for good. Even with Philly's far superior run blocking, he bounced a few outside during the Super Bowl when there were gaping holes at the point of attack as designed. He's a very selfish me-first player and that's why he got two carries in the 2nd quarter then sat for a very long time. Philly wasn't taking his freelancing crap either.
     
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  38. Carmen Cygni

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    That's absolutely false. Don't fabricate a narrative just to make yourself feel better as a fan. There are different angles you can take vs Ajayi without having to make things up.
     
  39. Carmen Cygni

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    Here's what I have for '17 run/pass ratios.

    [​IMG]
     
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