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Belichick conflict

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Rdrunn004, Feb 6, 2018.

  1. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    It means exactly that. It also means that your belief that they have used illegal substances is your opinion. However, it also means that my belief that they haven't is fact. (Sans Peppers and his rookie year ephedrine use.)
     
  2. mooseguts

    mooseguts Well-Known Member

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    It's a fact they haven't tested positive, it's not a fact they have never used. Romonowski didn't get caught until 2003 after using in 01-02. What if he retired after the 02 season and never had an opportunty to test positive in 03? It'd be a fact he never tested positive but it certainly wouldn't be a fact that he never used.

    But if you believe never getting caught means never having done any wrong, than I'm certainly not going to change your belief system.
     
  3. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    If it's a fact that they haven't tested positive then it's an opinion that they have and a fact that they haven't. And it will remain a fact unless one of them does.

    Less than 20 of the leagues nearly 2000 players pop positive each season. That's 1%.

    Even if you doubled or tripled or even quadrupled that number it would still be pretty rare.
     
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  4. Carmen Cygni

    Carmen Cygni Well-Known Member

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    Sidenote: The NFL is still working on it's HGH testing and it hasn't been implemented yet.
     
  5. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    They've been testing for HGH for almost 5 years now and some people have tested positive.
     
  6. Carmen Cygni

    Carmen Cygni Well-Known Member

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    They have only been able to effectively test for HGH for about 6 months now, and the NFL hasn't publicly reported any previously positive tests b/c the testing has been under development.
     
  7. danmarino

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    Lost in the off-field conversation concerning National Football League players, which has almost solely been focused on whether they are willing and able to kneel during the National Anthem, is the revelation that they are beginning to test positive for Human Growth Hormone (HGH). The announcement came in the middle of September, when the league office stated that the first positive HGH tests were found since the NFL began testing for it back in 2014.

    Interestingly, not a single player who tested positive for HGH has been named in the 10 days since NFL spokesman Joe Lockhart announced the positive tests. Houston Texans linebacker Brian Cushing, who was suspended for 10 games after failing a performance-enhancing-drug test, categorically denied any connection to HGH through his lawyer Harvey Steinberg.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/darren...gh-tests-deserve-more-attention/#57822798663d
     
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  8. mooseguts

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    https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...ctiveness-questioned-debated-facade/22715375/

    The answer is obvious, said longtime anti-doping scientist Don Catlin.

    Lynch's final silent treatment after loss


    The isoform test that the NFL used this season to test for HGH "doesn't catch many people at all," Catlin told USA TODAY Sports. "It's not a test that's designed to really do that. It will catch you if you just used it a few hours ago, but if it's a day or more, it's not going to find you."
     
  9. danmarino

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    Your article is over 3 years old. Mine is about 6 months.
     
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  10. Carmen Cygni

    Carmen Cygni Well-Known Member

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    And the article supports what I said.
     
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  11. mooseguts

    mooseguts Well-Known Member

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    Nowhere have I found that the Isoform test the NFL has used changed.
     
  12. mooseguts

    mooseguts Well-Known Member

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    This time last year.

    https://www.cnn.com/2017/02/05/heal...-drugs-nfl-investigative-explainer/index.html

    The NFL uses an isoform test, which detects synthetic HGH. But the test has a very short detection window of just 24 to 48 hours. So if a notification is given to a player to test at home, he may have up to 24 hours before having to submit a sample. The USADA, and in turn the UFC, uses a more precise bio marker test that looks for a chemical fingerprint to detect HGH several weeks after usage.
     
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  13. Carmen Cygni

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    The marker test is the same used by the WADA as well.
     
  14. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    I know. That's why I didn't contradict you. lol
     
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  15. danmarino

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    OK. What now? Everyone is guilty unless proven innocent even though there really is no way to prove them innocent?

    This line of thinking is absurd, no offense. This line of thinking has everyone in the world being a murderer or rapist or thief because they haven't been found innocent. lol
     
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  16. mooseguts

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    No offense taken, I guess I could just be a jaded pessimistic person.

    But when it used to be that a player was a once in a decade type player when they were 230 lbs and ran a 4.3 and now being 240lbs and running a 4.4 is just a norm in the combine, I raise an eyebrow. When a 349 lbs player runs a 4.9, 318 lb player runs a a 4.7, 254 lb player runs a 4.3, and 268 lb player runs a 4.4. I find it suspicious.

    There's no one that can tell me that players getting bigger, faster, stronger seemingly every decade is just the result of good ol lifting, eating right, and various other exercises. It's just not natural. When former players have gone on record and said anywhere between 20-50% of the league uses HGH or PED or whatever I listen, and if its not this its the pills for the pain like Brett Favre who would have never played as many consecutive games without it.

    Is every player guilty of course not. Would I be surprised if say 75% of the league used/abused at some point either PED, HGH, pain pills, muscle relaxers, marijuana etc...also no.
     

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