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****The Official 2017-18 NBA Thread****

Discussion in 'Other Sports Forum' started by Boik14, Oct 17, 2017.

  1. Not So Fast

    Not So Fast Well-Known Member

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    Kobe got an Oscar last night. One more trophy to add to that case.
     
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  2. GARDENHEAD

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    Pelicans have now won 8 straight. The West playoff picture is crazy. Only three games separates the 3 seed from the 10 seed.
     
  3. CaribPhin

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    The thing about offense is it makes bad teams fun. Fun teams put people in the seats. The Nuggets, for example, are an okay team, but they score in bunches. Those teams make money for the league. Defensive battles are for the playoffs when teams are guaranteed attendance and a maximum of 28 games for any one team. Over 82 games people need something to get excited about.
     
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  4. phinswolverinesrockets

    phinswolverinesrockets If he dies, he dies

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    If you watched the game, you saw James Harden take his rest at the end of the 1st quarter with a 10 point lead. Chris Paul comes in for Harden against Boston's backups and not only loses the 10 point lead, but now the Rockets are down 10 points when Harden returns in the middle of the 2nd quarter.

    Harden's unit brings Houston back to within 2 points at halftime. Chris Paul has 4 points at the half.

    In the third quarter, Harden got the Rockets up once again by 6 points before he sat down for a rest. Chris Paul comes in against the backups and loses 5 points of the lead.

    Game is now starting the 4th quarter with the Rockets clinging to a 1 point lead. Harden is still resting. Boston's backups go up by 7. Timeout. Harden comes back in for the rest of the game. Rockets win by 3.

    You watched the game so you know that Boston's 2nd unit killed Chris Paul's unit all night. Boston's backups scored 67 points. That is the ONLY reason why this game wasn't a Rocket's blowout win. Paul and his unit (besides Gordon) didn't play well at all.

    Harden ended with a game high plus/minus of +21.
    Paul ended up with an even. He had an off game. If you take out his minutes without Harden playing with him, he is at a -18. Besides those free throws at the end, he finished with like 11 points.

    Boston's defense and their depth is really good. Not many teams can match Houston's depth. Greg Monroe was an underrated pickup. He killed NeNe. Boston held Harden to 26 points, 7 rebs, and 10 assists. I guess you call that terrible. But, it was nice to see Gordon, Ariza, Tucker, and Capela really step up when Chris is struggling. We are going to need that in the playoffs.
     
  5. CaribPhin

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    Could you highlight the point in this wall of text where you dispute Harden's historical struggles in big moments manifesting itself against Boston?

    He still doesn't have a signature moment in his career like Lillard's series winner against HOU, Kyrie's dagger against GSW, Wade's entire 2006 finals series, etc.
     
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  6. phinswolverinesrockets

    phinswolverinesrockets If he dies, he dies

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    Everyone you just named had an all star partner to lean on. Aldgridge, LeBron & Love, and Shaq. Before Kyrie got Bron, he had the worst record in the NBA. When Shaq left Wade, he had to beg Bron to come. When Aldgridge left Lillard, that team became an afterthought. Hell, Jordan didn't win a damn thing until Pippen.


    Name Harden's all star partner in Houston. It way supposed to be goofy Dwight. I will wait. P.S. he doesn't have one this year either, but has been in the playoffs without a losing record every year.
     
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  7. phinswolverinesrockets

    phinswolverinesrockets If he dies, he dies

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    I will just leave this here...




    That is regular season and postseason from ages 23-28. The difference being one of them had Shaq.
     
  8. CaribPhin

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    I'd just to highlight the parts that made me laugh the hardenest (this involved me choking, of course).
     
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  9. phinswolverinesrockets

    phinswolverinesrockets If he dies, he dies

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    What did Wade win between the time Shaq left and when LeBron came? I do remember the Heat having one of the worst records causing them to draft Beasley at 2.

    Did Jordan get past the Celtics or Pistons in the 1st or 2nd round until Pippen came?

    I'll wait. Also I am still waiting on you to name Harden's all star partner in Houston.
     
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  10. CaribPhin

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    Dwyane Wade is the third best SG in NBA history with no knees, behind Jordan and Kobe. James Harden is not in that stratosphere. I'm not even engaging that.

    For a guy who cried that Houston had at least one all-star snub this season, you sure are good at pretending that Harden has no help.
     
  11. Vertical Limit

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    Lol is this guy really trying to discredit Wade? A guy with a Finals MVP which also gave him the best statistical Finals performance ever?

    Show me Harden’s finals numbers please. He did quite well playing the invisible man in OKC when he got erased.
     
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  12. Boik14

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    They havent given a **** about defense in a long time. The regular season games are tough to watch for that reason unless its a good matchup or theres a rooting interest.
     
  13. Vertical Limit

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    This season is headed to the highest scoring season in nba history. The only way next year breaks this seasons record is if everyday is treated like the all star game. The scoring numbers are ridiculous. Betting lines over/under has never been so high accross the league on any given game. We are witnessing the poorest version of basketball ever. I dont feel im exaggerating by saying that either.

    Something has to change, maybe the season is too long and a shorten season would make regular season games matter more. Theyll never cut out regular season games because they wont risk losing all that money, but they need to allow defensive players to make plays.

    Bring back handchecking.
     
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  14. Boik14

    Boik14 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I agree with you fully. It’s miserable to watch. I miss the “No Layup Rule” days that Riley and JVG had with the Knicks and all the rivalries that the physicality of the game caused. Now it’s a bunch of fugazy tough guys getting in to Twitter Wars. Lame.
     
  15. aesop

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    Amen on handcheck.
     
  16. CaribPhin

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    Damian Lillard is determined to make me look like a dumbass. Dude is balling. I'm going to watch them play the Knicks to see him go for 70.
     
  17. CaribPhin

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    Hassan Whiteside is absolutely frustrating. He's really good and has some fun moments because of his footwork and athleticism. He just doesn't bring it every night. Olynyk, btw, had an amazing pump fake step back 3. Miami is fun right now, even if they're not good. Just some bad over-payments unfortunately.
     
  18. phinswolverinesrockets

    phinswolverinesrockets If he dies, he dies

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    I don't need to discredit anyone. If you are going to judge Harden on life without an all star partner, I will do the same for everyone including Wade. Facts are facts. What has Wade won without Shaq or LeBron? The same thing Harden has won without help. Same goes for Kobe and Jordan. Everyone needs help.

    Also, a 21 year old playing in OKC means nothing to me. He came to Houston at 23. I posted his stats vs Kobe (2nd greatest SG of all time). They are practically the same. Kobe had Shaq. Harden had Donatas Motiejunas (who now plays in China).
     
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  19. Fin-O

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    The narrative will change on Harden, once he eliminates the Warriors this year.

    IF the Rockets are healthy?? They will win.
     
  20. #1 fan

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  21. aesop

    aesop Well-Known Member

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    Life without a 2nd star (or 3rd).. Like Durant and Westbrook? Somehow that doesn't count?
     
  22. aesop

    aesop Well-Known Member

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    If you can't see the difference between Wade and Harden there's no helping you.
     
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  23. eltos_lightfoot

    eltos_lightfoot Well-Known Member

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  24. phinswolverinesrockets

    phinswolverinesrockets If he dies, he dies

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  25. phinswolverinesrockets

    phinswolverinesrockets If he dies, he dies

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    I just posted the difference. Harden had better stats and less help.
     
  26. eltos_lightfoot

    eltos_lightfoot Well-Known Member

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    How many rings? And '06 Shaq wasn't Shaq.

    Did you read that article? I thought not.
     
  27. phinswolverinesrockets

    phinswolverinesrockets If he dies, he dies

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    I just gave you Shaq's postseason numbers in 2005-2006...18, 11, and 2.

    My question still stands....what has Wade won without Shaq or Lebron? No one has answered that. Why is it so hard to answer this question, lol?

    No. I didn't read the article. All I need are the comparison stats to prove the point. Everyone needs help.
     
  28. phinswolverinesrockets

    phinswolverinesrockets If he dies, he dies

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    Just for fun, I took a look at Jordan before Pippen.
    Jordan lost in the first round 3 straight years (swept twice) before Pippen came along. Then it took them 3 more years before their first ring.

    I guess even the GOAT needs help.
     
  29. aesop

    aesop Well-Known Member

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    What has Harden won at all?
     
  30. aesop

    aesop Well-Known Member

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    You also conveniently ignore #1 Fan's post like you do every other detrimental fact of Harden's inability to win when it counts.
     
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  31. aesop

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    You say you only need stats but you provide points / assists / rebounds and no other relevant info. Give me minutes, shot attempts, FT attempts, steals, TO.. Enough surface vagueries.

    Tell me, do you think at this point in his career Harden has surpassed Wade? Sure seems like the case.
     
  32. eltos_lightfoot

    eltos_lightfoot Well-Known Member

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    Let's go by rings.
     
  33. eltos_lightfoot

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  34. eltos_lightfoot

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    Peyton Manning has all the stats, and Brady has all the rings. Which one would you rather be?
     
  35. #1 fan

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    On 41% shooting and 28% from three with 5.4 turnovers per game. He was shooting you out of games, not into them. We're leaving out defense as well.

    For comparison to Wade's 06 stats, 50% and 38% from three, with 3.9 turnovers per game. (18 and 11 is nothing to write home about either with Shaq).

    But yeah, I agree JJ Barea never won a championship until he had Dirk Nowitzki too.
     
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  36. biggiesmalls3k1

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    If Aliens came to the planet today and read this thread, they would think that the Rockets are the greatest dynasty in all of the NBA and James Harden is unquestionably the MVP of the league 10 years running. To even COMPARE Harden to Kobe or Wade is hysterical. The Rockets havent won anything since everyone was using AOL, and while I like Harden, he has come up as small as a superstar possibly could on both immense stages in his career.
     
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  37. eltos_lightfoot

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    That's why I said we should just go by memorable NBA Finals appearances for Wade and Harden. Or rings? :D
     
  38. BevoPhin

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    This is about to turn into a Russ Vs Harden shootout
     
  39. aesop

    aesop Well-Known Member

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    Wade is Manning and Brady .. Harden is Cam Newton.
     
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  40. CaribPhin

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    More like Philip Rivers. Newton made the Super Bowl.
     
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