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What's Our #1 Draft Need in Your Opinion??

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by KeyFin, Jan 15, 2018.

What Position Do We Need to Fill the Most?

  1. Quarterback

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  2. Running Back

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  3. Wide Receiver

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  4. Offensive Line

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  5. Defensive Line

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  6. Linebacker

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  7. Corner/Safety

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  8. Punter/Kicker

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  9. Tight End

    7 vote(s)
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  1. Puka-head

    Puka-head My2nd Fav team:___vs Jets Club Member

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    BPA. No knowledge different from anyone else. But Suh isn't going to be here in 3-4 yrs. If Vea is there at 11 he'll be the best football player on the board. Or he should be.
     
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  2. Surfs Up 99

    Surfs Up 99 Team Flores & Team Tua

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    Since Edmunds probably won't be there. Who's a better fit for our system, Vander Esch (MLB) or Smith (OLB)? I think they both can help. I am concerned about Smith's injury red flags.

    As for who I want at 11? I think a lot of guys can help us and if we went straight BPA then I feel confident we would be getting a good player.

    I like Mayfield a lot even if he won't have an immediate impact. If we aren't able to get him I think we should get a QB at some point. I think it's safe to say that after the fiasco we had last year we need an upgrade over Moore and hopefully an eventual replacement for Tannehill.
     
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  3. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    I don't think Edmunds is faster in his playing speed. Smith is very smart and seems to understand the game a lot better and thus he's typically always in the right spot at the right time. Edmunds is young and has a lot to learn, and I think he will, but I don't see him being an immediate impact like Smith.

    He doesn't need to "run around or away" from blocks. As I mentioned, he's very football smart and his instincts tend to keep him one step ahead of the offense in terms of their blocking scheme. His smarts and speed enable him to accomplish this. Due to him being on the smaller side he does need to make sure he gets better at shedding blockers who do get to him, however.

    If Edmunds or Smith is there, and the Dolphins want a LB, I'd be hard pressed to pick one over the other, but I'd be elated if they picked either one. If Edmunds is gone by 11 and Smith is there, I'd be furious if they traded down for Esch. However, if they feel like a DB or some other position of need is a better pick at 11 (Mayfield? lol) I'd be more than happy to be able to get Esch with our 2nd round pick. There are too many solid top 10 picks in this draft to be trading down too far and possibly miss out on one.
     
  4. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    In all honesty I think Esch will be a good LB for a team. I think Smith has the higher ceiling and is the lesser risk, however. I do have concerns about Smith's injury, but it didn't seem to hamper his play last season.

    I agree about BPA. There are about 12-15 bona fide top 10 pick caliber players this draft.

    I too would be happy with Mayfield. I love RT, but I think there is nothing wrong with having two starting caliber QB's on the roster. Especially one that can be groomed and possible push the starter.
     
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  5. hitman8

    hitman8 Well-Known Member

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    Actually once you get out of the top 10 picks it's hit or miss. All of the top QBs have their flaws. Historically the difference between a mid 1st round pick and a late 1st round pick is not much.

    I am not sold on any of the top QBs, they all have some significant flaws including Mayfield. He is very undersized and has an average arm. I wouldn't take him at 11 if can trade down for more picks. More picks is always the better way to go unless you have a sure fire star on the board that you can't pass up.
     
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  6. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    What would you consider a "sure fire star" - all we have is guesswork and probability (inaccurate). Trading down for Odrick was a terrible move that really set us back. I can see the point, but I don't think there is a right or wrong way to do it really - it's just optimizing your situation at the time and crossing your fingers.
     
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  7. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    If that's true, then it should be hard to miss at 11 since we've had pretty good success finding talent the past two years.
     
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  8. djphinfan

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    Until I know for sure Suh or Wake are gone tdef end and d tackle are off the board for me
     
  9. Pandarilla

    Pandarilla Purist Emeritus

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    Take a consensus top 15 guys to be drafted. Of those that are left when we pick, take the least knuckle-headed dude on the board...
     
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  10. hitman8

    hitman8 Well-Known Member

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    Each player is different, but a sure fire pick is a player that checks all the boxes in terms of speed, athleticism, adequate size, good character, good motor, consistent production against top competition, good tape, and good durability with no significant injury history and also fills a need.

    In this draft only Barkley, chub, Tremaine Edmunds, Nelson, ward, and maybe Fitzpatrick are sure fire picks imo. Everybody else has significant question marks which is why you are better off playing the numbers game and trading for more picks. It ups your chances of having a good draft and filling more needs.
     
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  11. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    I think we should draft at least two Guards. I do not think it is necessary to draft them in the first round.
     
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  12. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    Ok, I see your point, though even with a question mark, I think the upside of some guys not mentioned is way higher than others.

    Again to go back to Odrick, that was a disaster. We got nothing out of it, and missed out on a potential HOF player in Earl Thomas. According to you, he may not have checked all the boxes (size), but he still jumped off the screen when you watched him play. He played above his paper limitations. We also missed the mark on JPP, Brandon Graham and others who all may have had bigger impacts than Odrick.

    I think it's always valuable to explore the possibility of trading down, but that in and of itself doesn't get you everywhere. Any draft strategy in a vacuum is iffy, you need to really make sure your individual assessments are on the ball and sometimes you just need to pull the trigger on a guy with a flaw if you see it doesn't limit them out on the field.
     
  13. Destroyer

    Destroyer There for every play.

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    I honestly can't decide this year. TE, LB, OL, QB and WR(If Landry is out) are all big needs this year
     
  14. hitman8

    hitman8 Well-Known Member

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    Well even a good trade down strategy is not going to make up for lousy scouting. Yes there were better players picked before odrick, but there were also better players picked after odrick. We just picked the wrong guy that's all. The value of trading down is that even if you miss on your first pick you have a better chance of making up for it later in the draft with more picks. It's why Jimmy Johnson was heralded as a draft guru even though he missed on a lot of first round picks. He was all about stocking up on as many picks as possible to up his chances of finding gems like Zach Thomas and Jason Taylor later in the draft.
     
  15. Puka-head

    Puka-head My2nd Fav team:___vs Jets Club Member

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    And they should both be smart guys who can also play C and make the line calls. I'd be just as happy with two C who can play G also.
     
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  16. Walter

    Walter Well-Known Member

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    The more we move into the season the more chaos appears (gee nothing surprising there. Damn season hasn't even started).
    Now rumors of Suh going,

    Ndamukong Suh
    - DL - Dolphins
    According to Barry Jackson of the Miami Herald, the Dolphins will consider releasing DT Ndamukong Suh.

    wouldn't be surprised if Rashads next why would anyone want to be here with a team buried in this kind of fog with no leadership and logical direction in sight.. Not like were even close to sniffing a Superbowl....not even close...can sniff 10-6 thou whoopie...

    When you are getting rid of your best players you might begin to start to feel that something isn't right. And you'd think when that starts making sense you really should be wondering...

    Funny getting rid of these players at this point does make sense not like we are going anywhere worth mentioning with them, BUT what doesn't make sense is all the stupidity that has gotten this team into this piss poor situation of dismantling our friggin best players to begin with....10 mil. for Cutler / 1 year, Gase the miracle worker, Thomas, Branch and Alonso also. Bye Landry...Its enough to make anyone mad that has a clue...

    OK you want to dismantle then do it and REBUILD the GD team and not this continued temporary hole replacements that goes on and on year after year. (Hint to Gase, OL pretty damn important)

    Sorry I just can't see this as the formula for success and this formula is not a big surprise for we've seen it for way to long, I mean how much more of this do we need to see ? We've just become and are and will be a half azz team...And hate to say but Gase also doesn't have a clue and is there for the quick fix with little to no time line of thought for a future. If "quick fix" possible than it would make sense, but do yous really think this team is even near close for that......Hey but it does look like we will not need to worry about a lack of holes to fill and pickup an actual keeper to continue the illusion for the fans that this team is going somewhere.....ya down the toilet........
     
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  17. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    Walter actually believes that Suh and Jones are going someplace...lol..

    Walter, why do you make up things in order to get angry?
     
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  18. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    Quarterback
    Tannehill is a likable guy - great
    Dolphins 26th in points scored at 17.6
    Yes I am aware he was hurt
    Tannehill by himself doesnt bring 14 pts a game
    If anyone thinks he does your kidding yourself
    If you wanna play with the big boys need to get an offense
    Philly 29.0
    NE 28.9

    Just a question - how many years does a team continue to plug and play pkayers before someone begins to question the systems - js
     
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  19. Walter

    Walter Well-Known Member

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    " Just a question - how many years does a team continue to plug and play players before someone begins to question the systems ? "


    Thats a trick question .......

    Been about 18 years and still counting....

    It is kind of unbelievable that this stuff is still going on a still to many just don't get it...Especially the FO..its sad....
     
  20. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    I did catch two "news reports" that said we may release Suh...but one was a carbon copy of the other and neither of them were on reputable websites. I simply cannot seeing us letting one of our most valuable assets just walk for zero compensation.

    He does raise a good point though; how are we going to afford to pay everyone? I don't think we can without some creative accounting.
     
  21. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    Been a fan since I was 5 yrs old. What has happened to this franchise is criminal and then then the disease set in that competitive is all thats needed. Coaching has.never.been the same since Shula. When Jimmy came in I was as ruled up as ever - he was never truly given the reigns. Then Saban - same deal
    Been patch work ever since - no long term plan
     
  22. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    Said that exact thing 5 yrs ago
    Tannenbaum has no plan - it was win now and he exhausted all the money in the wrong places
    I know you guys hate NE but please humur me and go look at their roster - there is your blueprint
    The money has to be spread evenly
    HOW MANY TIMES HAVE YOU HEARD NE PLUGS AND PLAYS PLAYERS
    what quality of.player would you expect if Miami pays avg 1.5 yr for.linemen but.NE pays 2.7 a yr
    The bluprint allows for an average overall better team - in this league the smallest edge plays huge dividends
    In this league
     
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  23. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    The roster mismanagement is the ABSOLUTE #1 thing holding this team back
    Tannenbaum destroyed any future this team had and set Coach back years
    These moves have to be all Mike Grier
    Purging the high paid guys to bring in better talent over all is how you win in this league
    Suh is not that player thar takes this team to a superbowl. Neither is Jarvis - although extremely talented - just not worth the roster disruption right now
    This has to be fixed - Now or its 5 more uears of 8 - 8
     
  24. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    Yeah...I've seen those reports. It would be the last thing this team does, however.

    Besides, Walter can't see my posts because he has me blocked.
     
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  25. Walter

    Walter Well-Known Member

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    I gotcha

    Been a fan, and there the very first Game in the Orange Bowl (George Auer TD).
    Damn I have to say how nice it is to even see someone with that similar mind blowing astonishment at the ineptitude that hasn't slowed a step since the Wanny days. I mean its weird people don't see this ineptitude pretty much at all. Or they don't understand the seriousness of it.
    There is no long term view or plan what so ever. Thats a HUGE sign of it own....

    Oh well starting to get used to it and develop the same low standards ..I seen and lived through the great days and it was amazing...
     
  26. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    This league wins by pressure up the middle. Suh gives you pressure up the middle and you're not going to get anybody to do it better for any cheaper.

    (In before I get those who won't understand my post.)

    Yes, there are other DT's in the league who can put pressure on the QB and a couple who do it better than Suh. Aaaron Donald being one, but I'm curious as to what he's going to make after his rookie contract is up. However, those players are not and will not be available.
     
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  27. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    There are alot of good guys and gals on here. Passionate!! They hate anything remotely negative. The problem is it becomes very hard to have a reasonable conversation because your beat down for being a trader. Hell if you dont recognize your weak spots because your wearing the rosey glasses and refuse to admit maybe - just maybe the team doesnt really have a good good chance at winning enough to actually achieve the goal of a superbowl trophy then how do you discuss what really needs to be corrected??
    Hell guys are si desperate they are resorting to graphs and charts to show how if Tannehill plays like 2013 we can expect a .0000013472 possibilty of winning for every point he scores. I mean not meant.to bash anybody but.- geez really. The two teams arent even.the same. There are so many variables to consider that any attempt at a comparison is frugal.
    It really isnt rocket science - as some want to.convince others it is. Sometimes its as simple as being able to critique yourself - honestly. Hard for a lot of.people
    Keep up the fight Dude - enjoy your.posts
     
  28. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    Putting.pressure up the middle is a way to win - dont disagree
    Can we first start at.ground zero??
    The roster is a mess
     
  29. cbrad

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    Why are you here 2socks? Let's all remember this post of yours before taking you seriously:
    https://www.thephins.com/threads/state-of-the-franchise.92306/page-4#post-3005361
    Don't act like you want the Dolphins to succeed.
     
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  30. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    Of course I do
    Always a fin fan
    And yes I am following the Patriots
    Dont be afraid to go take a serious look at what excellence looks like
    Might help you realize how off this management really is and what it will take to over take the Patriots finally
    Do you enjoy 18 yrs of mediocrity??
    I dont.
    Hey do me a favor
    Go back and review a lot of my posts and youll see i was right - most of what I predicted came true - especially how the Suh deal would handicap this team for 5 yrs - preventing it form winning and that 2018 would be the year it all fell apart.
    Thank God Mike Greer sees the light
    This roster will be purged and the wealth spread thruout the roster
    Better average players across the board produces better overall team
     
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  31. Walter

    Walter Well-Known Member

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    Great post

    Ya its understanding and at times you have to remind yourself, that everyone has a right to express their own opinion and simply put if you don't care to hear it there's always the "ignore" button. Used rarely and hate to use it, But do see its effectiveness when dealing with someone acting like a child and just rude....

    And truthfully remembering these are just my opinions and I know they are not necessarily written in stone. As a matter of fact I would not mind one bit being wrong in some of my views that see such lack of common sense IMO...
     
  32. cbrad

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    I know what excellence looks like, and it's not the Dolphins organization. But I don't defect just because we've been mediocre for so long.

    Anyway, I suggest you don't change allegiances just because times are tough. It's part of being a true "fan" IMO.
     
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  33. Carmen Cygni

    Carmen Cygni Well-Known Member

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    Bingo. You may take the chance on a high profile FA once the pieces are set, you're truly in contention, and you're looking for that extra possible bump in your overall roster. You do not shell out that kind of money to FA's to build a team around. We have been building this roster completely *** backwards for too long now, and especially since Tannenbaum came aboard.
     
  34. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    Absolutely
    Because being wrong woyld mean the team is on its way back to respectability
    We all want the same thing just disagree on how to get there
     
  35. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    Dude I didnt defect
    I still watch every game
    Not saying you dont.know what excellence looks like
    We all want.the same.thing we differ on gow to get there
    I coach football here in GA with Brandon Jacobs - I frequently wear some Giants stuff - does that mean I defected??
     
  36. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    Excellent post - spot on
    I have faith in Mike Greer to purge this roster and get it right
    ABSOLUTELY dead on the money with that post!!!!!!!
    I expect Suh to either be traded or cut
    Jarvis to be traded and they wont get what they think they will
    Tannehill to be traded by start of 2020 season if not sooner
     
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  37. cbrad

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    I was just going by what you actually said.. "So I have defected.." as I pointed out in post #150. Anyway, if you didn't defect then fine. But please don't write that you're defecting again.
     
  38. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    Actually that was a spell check error
    It was suppised to be deflated not defected
     
  39. cbrad

    cbrad .

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    Really? I personally don't believe that. Let me quote the entire post and I think it's pretty clear you meant defected.
     
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  40. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    He likely has me blocked as well; we didn't get along much back in Landry's heyday. I honestly thought he was banned since he picked up a few different timeouts for personal attacks.
     
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