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Power rankings

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by pumpdogs, Mar 21, 2018.

  1. pumpdogs

    pumpdogs Well-Known Member

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  2. jw3102

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    The Dolphins got rid of their best player on offense and their best player on defense. They replaced their center with an inferior player and they let their very effective kicker sign with another ream.

    I think the 30th ranking is about right when you compare the overall talent on their roster to the talent on other teams in the NFL. At least they should have a top 3-5 pick in the 2019 draft and hopefully they will finally be smart enough to draft a real franchise type QB with that pick.
     
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  3. TheHighExhaulted

    TheHighExhaulted Well-Known Member

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    OMG!
     
  4. TheHighExhaulted

    TheHighExhaulted Well-Known Member

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    If this team ran the way you break your posts into paragraphs they would be undefeated every year.
     
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  5. bigballa2102

    bigballa2102 Well-Known Member

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    After the draft we will be 32nd!!!
     
  6. EverFin

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    Nobody knows how good #17 will be after his injuries. With Suh and Landry we let qualitiy Players walk. Will Harris take the next step after a promising finish last season? Will McMillan be a factor at LB without any experience so far? A lot of ??? But I'm sure there is no way we will be No. 30 at the end of next season. Not with Howard, Tank and Lippett as promising CB, Jones as one of the best safeties, Wakes last ride to a couple of sacks, Drake as quality RB with decent hands, a deep WR Corps and an OL with young talent and experienced veterans. No. 30? No!
     
  7. Not So Fast

    Not So Fast Well-Known Member

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    Hard to disagree with the ranking given the amount of talent that was lost and all the question marks. Let's see how all the movies pan out this fall.
     
  8. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    The Dolphins didn't just "let" Landry, Suh, and Pouncey leave. And they've brought in some really good talent.

    As for the 30th ranking, it seems this ranking is based solely on knowns and unknowns. Which I'm OK with. The Dolphins have changed a lot and won only 6 games last season. I think bottom of the league is fair for someone who is just going by what they see on paper.

    Although, the writer seems to be all over the place with some teams. For example, he has the 49ers at 13. I'm guessing because he thinks Jimmy G. is all that? He played well in 5 games, but they only won 6 games last season too and I think banking on Garop to be a savior there is risking a lot. And KC all the way down to 18? Laughable. Chargers at 10 and Seattle 15? Yeah, this power ranking will change a lot.
     
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  9. cbrad

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  10. pumpdogs

    pumpdogs Well-Known Member

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  11. Tin Indian

    Tin Indian Rockin' The Bottom End Club Member

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    I agree with all of this but the idea that at this point in time Pouncey is a superior player. He cant run block anymore due to his hips and the chargers will be lucky if they can get 8 games out of him this year. It was an act of God he played all 16 last year. Unfortunately Suh and Landry were cap casualties but Landry should have never gotten to that point.
     
  12. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    By all accounts the Dolphins tried to get Landry under contract, but he refused based on money. He was looking to get paid. Which is fine by me.

    He'll most likely get that $16m this year and if he continues with his absurd money demands he will find himself on the outside looking in come FA time next year.
     
  13. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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  14. bigballa2102

    bigballa2102 Well-Known Member

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    I believ they were ranked that low due to the amount of young players they had, im sure they will rank well ahead of that with nearly the same team. young players give low ratings because there isn't enough on each of them to accurately gauge. Noone thought wentz was gonna ball out that quickly.
     
  15. Hoops

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    not if tanny stays healthy
     
  16. Wilkimania

    Wilkimania Well-Known Member

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    I don't care about the ranking but if it fires the team up then use it. Have it plastered up on the walls in the locker room. Let the team know that nobody rates them and it's on their shoulders to prove the doubters wrong.
     
  17. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    What?
     
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  18. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    So you think the people who make power rankings goes into a team's city, evaluates every single player, compiles a grading system and fairly compares all 32 teams?

    That's Madden football....not the NFL.
     
  19. cbrad

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    I think bigballa2102 is just saying no one predicted Wentz would have that breakout season last year. He had a 79.3 rating for 2016 and then a 101.9 rating in 2017. You can also look at his gamelogs and see the difference:
    https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WentCa00/gamelog/

    I guess the question is where would they have ranked Philly had they predicted Wentz would do so well.
     
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  20. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    While acknowledging how meaningless such a PR is right now ... that's just way to low.

    I mean, I get that we weren't good, but there are some truly bad teams out there who have also not done much to improve. And while losing Landry hurts, I don't see how it makes us worse considering the addition of Amendola (and Wilson), adding Sitton to the line and getting Raekwon back on defense. Suh hurts, but he wasn't exactly doing a lot for us in the W column, and frees up cap space and opportunity for youth.

    I have a hard time seeing how we are ranked behind, say Arizona? Why, because they added Sam "I have 2 games before my knee disintegrates" Bradford? Because they get Johnson back? Hey, we get a QB back lol. Meanwhile, they also released a top defensive player. And they play in a rougher division.

    Jets and Giants? Bleh.

    And the Bears? They added an injured receiver and a #3. That's pushing them up like 10 spots?

    I feel this list is more about name flash than actually looking at rosters.
     
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  21. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    Whether you agree or disagree with the Dolphins place on this list, one thing is certain - you are 100% wasting your time giving the slightest or single **** about a power ranking in March or any other month for that matter.
     
  22. cbrad

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    Here's a source that's a little harder to dismiss. Vegas has us currently tied with 5 other teams for the worst odds to win the SB at 100:1
    http://www.vegasinsider.com/nfl/odds/futures/

    Not sure what Vegas thought of us last year at the same time.
     
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  23. KeyFin

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    I don't remember the exact number, but we were in the second to lowest tier with Vegas last season. I want to say we were 60 to 1? That was pre-Cutler though and I'm sure the odds plummeted once RT and McMillian went down.
     
  24. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    Where did Vegas have the Eagles last year? After Wentz went down?
     
  25. Pauly

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    Some analysts point out that the Dolphins scored more points per snap with Landry off the field than on the field. So whatever the cause may have been there’s actually grounds to say that Miami’s Offense is better off without him.
    I don’t agree with the departure of Suh, but his money was needed in other places.
    We didn’t lose 2014 Pouncey with great power and athleticism. We lost 2017 Pouncey with reduced power in the run game and good but not great mobility and an inability to practice with his team mates during the week. We replaced him with someone cheaper, more reliable and about as effective. We also added Stitton to upgrade the weakest link of the OL.

    However it all comes down to RT17. If he comes back to his pre-injury average for ‘14 to ‘16 he’s good for a 90-95 rating. Long version short that’s worth about +4 wins over last season’s QBs (just remember we outperformed our expected wins by about +2 last season).

    #30 is way too low, that basically expects RT17 to perform at Cutleresque levels. Realistically we’re probably closer to #20. The potential is there to do a lot better but that depends on our ‘ifs’ turning into ‘iI told you sos’.
     
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  27. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    Power rankings really don't mean anything until the 4th week of the NFL. By then, you begin getting a sense of a team's overall ability.
     
  28. Unlucky 13

    Unlucky 13 Team Raheem Club Member

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    Most of the time, the people making those lists have a bias against the Fins. Its been that way for a long time. The team is almost always given no credit in the offseason by many. There's also been a deal for a long time that people, for whatever their reasons, can't stand that the Fins are almost always average, and never great or awful. Miami bores them, and they lash out.
     
  29. Fin D

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    It is not a bias against the Fins.

    It is playing the averages and the vaunting of established/excepted commodities.

    Basically, it is surface level analysis. None of these guys watch all the teams, let alone give each an in depth analysis.

    So they stick with conventional wisdom. They see a lower level team, like ours, lose 4 of our stars in Pouncey, Landry, Suh, Ajayi, and we didn't replace them with big names they instantly recognize....well...then we suck in their basic and uneducated opinions.
     
  30. Bumrush

    Bumrush Stable Genius Club Member

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    And most the time they have been right. Miami has been boring, uninspired, over matched and mostly an embarrassment, especially if they are in a featured / prime-time game. Vegas has also been spot on with the exception of 2016 as well when it comes to projected record.

    I don't think it's a bias against the Fins. It's that the Phins have been that bad. Not on a Cleveland Browns level, but at a level not far behind. When teams just run all over us, gashing the defense on the ground, while our offense struggles to put together consecutive first downs, it's no wonder people would get bored at this team. Heck I've been a fan for going on 35 years and can barely stand to watch them.
     
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  31. Phins_to_Win

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    All of our moves were "pulling off the band aid" moments. Painful, but needed to be done. I'm not sure that we are going to be able to fill all of our holes to really make a run this year, but knowing that we aren't stuck with a ton of unmanageable contracts gives me hope that we can start fixing some major problems.

    Free Agency hasn't been our friend the last couple of years. That needs to change ASAP. We need to find some solid talent at an affordable price while still making solid drafting decisions. If we do that we will be back to former glory.
     
  32. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    I clicked you first link and got:"1 36 321 Archived NFL Futures Odds | SportsOddsHistory.com 4d 50 33 b7 4b 22 3a 2d 8d 9f b9 3f 13b d5 ab bb"

    I clicked the second link and got: "1 1 1 2 48 Super Bowl LII Odds (2017 Season) | SportsOddsHistory.com36 30c main | SportsOddsHistory.com 4d 5c 33 6d 3a 2d 8d 9f a4 995 d5 ab bb


    I know you're good with math, but I doubt even you could figure out this problem. lol
     
  33. cbrad

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    WTF?!? .. are you on a computer that tries to filter out archived Vegas odds sites? lol...
     
  34. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity

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    Click-bait Rankings.

    Most useless nonsense in sports media.

    See - now I've gone and wasted a minute of my life.
     
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  35. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    You just gave the lizard people your coordinates. Good job.

    Game over man.
     
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  36. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    I'm at work, so who knows...lol
     
  37. bigballa2102

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    well your half right its done in madden as well, the power rankings are based out of all players at each position then averaged out to a specific number then ranked by those numbers by team. IF you ever watch any broadcast they will show you that "X" player is ranked 143 out of 168 at that position or whatever those numbers may be. Younger players have a higher rating this way because they have not played long enough to boost their ratings. Its very rare at any level first or second year players are ranked highly. I guarantee you wentz was probably ranked 20+ this year he will rank top 15- next so therefore the eagles power rankings will go up as well. its pretty simple. Its kind of a bs way of rating teams if you ask me, because say you take Wake and he is ranked top 5 at DE yet he is old and doesn't produce at the same level (not saying he wont) Miami's ranking is not accurate but I guess you can say that about any stat the "predicts".

    Madden football and the NFL use power rankings almost the same way.
     

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