1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

Roquan Smith

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Redwine4all, Mar 12, 2018.

  1. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    111,651
    67,546
    113
    Dec 20, 2007
    Not a risk I’m willing to take this year at the slot.. I’m looking for doubles and triples man.. let someone else try to go yard..
     
    danmarino likes this.
  2. hitman8

    hitman8 Well-Known Member

    3,040
    2,485
    113
    Nov 11, 2016
    I do believe it's an exageration. I have watched plenty of tape on Edmunds, and yes he does misread plays occasionaly, and he does have a tendancy to cheat up to the line and take some false steps, but it is not something so egregious as to prevent him from being a very good linebacker. Even with his underdeveloped insticts his freakish poa ability and atthletic skills are more than enough for what we need right now which is a sam lb. He doesnt need great instincts to play the sam for us. And I am very confident that with more coaching and experience he will fix his issues with misreads and false steps. They are not such a big issue that they cannot be fixed especially considering he is only 19. Once they are fixed his cieling is perennial all pro and fist ballot HOF. I really dont know how you could be mad for us picking edmunds at 11.

    It is actually very likely that he wont even be there at 11. If he is there we should count our lucky stars since he is a generational talent and a perfect fit for what we need.
     
  3. hitman8

    hitman8 Well-Known Member

    3,040
    2,485
    113
    Nov 11, 2016
    Ok, so who exactly do you think will be there at 11 who is better than edmunds?
     
  4. Hoops

    Hoops Well-Known Member

    1,183
    1,484
    113
    Dec 11, 2016
    It depends on what you are looking for. If it’s luke kuechly to validate than the answer is no. But he went at 8 and there’s only one of him in the entire league.

    If it’s poa and gap fill making for the ideal scheme fit lb ask wise than you run that Edmunds card up. Cause you get that you get upside and you get the best combination of measurables and athleticism/movement skills probably in a decade at the position. Like that combination is once a decade stuff.

    It’s a chance I’d take. There is no projection as a strong side starter and the athlete checks off all the boxes in the nickel. Bet on recognition getting better with snaps too.

    2 years from now we may have a 260 lb brick wall at lb that’s runs sub 4.6 with a left tackle like wing span.
     
  5. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    111,651
    67,546
    113
    Dec 20, 2007
    We’re really far apart on this evaluation..

    I think if your spending the 11 th pick you better be doing it on a guy with more then athletic ability and size...this is the 11th pick in the draft..

    He looks clumsy to me and not precise in his footwork when his key isn’t the right one, or when he has to change direction laterally..

    I’d rather have a smaller backer who can get to point B quicker and more precise then sacrificing those attributes for some size benefits..

    I want my linebackers to be instinctive players who can diagnose offense, quick on their feet, eyes up, react quickly and finish with little wasted steps (in a game of inches and fractions of seconds it supersedes size.)

    I don’t see these traits being his strengths..

    Way too much of a project for me for the 11 th pick in the draft..
     
  6. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    111,651
    67,546
    113
    Dec 20, 2007
    I don’t know who will be there but I have Smith, Evans and Griffin as being better pro linebackers..there are other players I would take over him as well, Fitzpatrick, Nelson..James, actually I wouldn’t take him at all even in a drop down scenario..
     
  7. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    111,651
    67,546
    113
    Dec 20, 2007
    well there’s only one Luke, I look very hard at movement as well, but it needs to be coordinated position specific movement to Get me excited, I wouldn’t say Edmunds has great position specific movement, I think he runs fast, strait line, he jumps high, can maneuver pretty well, but sometimes his length in his lower extremities gets him uncoordinated and way late to the ball.

    Burke has talked about at length how unimportant linebacker titles as are in his scheme..so I’m looking at the best linebacker prospect who’s got the most tools in the toolbox..

    Do you see hi end pass rush skills in Edmunds? I sure as heck see them in Griffin, coverage ability and footwork is very good, instincts pop, highly athletic and wicked fast, yeah he may get run a play or two by a lineman, but a lot less times then where poor awareness will get you.
     
    danmarino likes this.
  8. hitman8

    hitman8 Well-Known Member

    3,040
    2,485
    113
    Nov 11, 2016
    You and me are way off, now you are saying you wouldnt take him at all which is ridiculous. You are acting like he is terrible and will be a total bust. Which is also ridiculous . His deficiencies are not nearly as bad as you are making them out to be. And yes scheme does matter in our wide nine defense. We need linebackers that are strong at the poa and have good gap fill and shed ability. Edmunds has that in spades, none of the other linebackers you mentioned have that except for maybe evens, and none of them have the upside that Edmunds has.

    We will definitely agree to disagree.
     
  9. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    111,651
    67,546
    113
    Dec 20, 2007
    Yeah stacking and shedding isnt my only priority when trying to find the guy to play next to Raekwon.. no I wouldn’t take him in the first round..and I would take Griffin over him if given the choice..

    Upside eh?, why because he’s big and can run, what about instinctual upside?, that’s when someone has innate instincts and once they get experience they become unstoppable, that’s my kind of upside, I don’t see the instincts necessary to validate where you and others have him..

    I’m happy you have your conviction about the player, if we take him I hope to hell your right..
     
    danmarino likes this.
  10. Hoops

    Hoops Well-Known Member

    1,183
    1,484
    113
    Dec 11, 2016
    Miamis not rushing 227 lbs off the edge schematically vs nfl tackles

    On anything other than overloads or zone gap blitz where we drop the opposite side de into a hook or flats zone
     
  11. hitman8

    hitman8 Well-Known Member

    3,040
    2,485
    113
    Nov 11, 2016
    You seem to have a soft spot for smallish underdog players like Griffin. I would love to pick up griffin in the 4th round, he could be a great weak side backer for us to take over when we finnally cut kiko. But he is not a sam backer fit for us either. And to say he is a better prospect than Edmunds is just ridiculous.

    Edmunds is my #1 target in this draft. He is a perfect fit for our scheme and what we need at our weakest position. I just hope he makes it to 11 and the FO has the brains to pick him.
     
    Phinsfan92 and Sceeto like this.
  12. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    111,651
    67,546
    113
    Dec 20, 2007
    yall are getting too caught up in schematic fit..we need playmakers, versatile pieces to this chess match, how many times do you need to hear burke tell you they don't label their backers and that they wainterchangeableble pieces..we need instincts and intelligence, fu## schematic fits just cause the prototype fits..great players find ways to get it done,great players initiate and anticipate to disrupt.
     
    Last edited: Apr 6, 2018
    danmarino likes this.
  13. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    111,651
    67,546
    113
    Dec 20, 2007
    Like Russell Wilson at QB, Tyraan Mathieu at safety, Brandon Graham at def end, or Deion Jones at linebacker, four players I lobbied incredibly hard for that folks told me they were undersized relative to where I wanted to take them.

    griffin will not be there in the 4th round, so while it seems you like him, I believe you will have to drop your 2nd pick for that.

    Smith and Reshaan Evans will be better pros imo,if you wanna select a kid and wait for instincts to kick in, and the development this player needs at the next level thats on you.I would wait on him if I saw instincts and smarts on the field, but I dont see enough..

    Im looking for defenders who make plays, disrupt timing, interrupt the script..playmaking ability..
     
    Last edited: Apr 7, 2018
    danmarino likes this.
  14. Zigs

    Zigs Member

    53
    50
    18
    Apr 3, 2018
    Wow, A whole lot of good posts here. I am new to this forum and this is a pretty good read.

    I have read a lot where folks are talking about taking BPA over a scheme fit and vice versa. I am a BPA guy but I really think the coaches and front office like to take players that fit a mold and their scheme. So BPA seems out of the question.

    As far as the 11th pick, we have several players that could be at 11 due to the amount of decent QB's coming out. We might see 4 QB's in the top 10 picks, Barkley and Chubbs will go top ten also so that is six picks there. Smith, Edmunds, M. Fitz, D. James, and Vea are talked about quite a lot as going in the top half of the 1st round. There is also D. Ward a CB talked about going in the top 10 in several mocks I am seeing. Lets not forget Nelson, who I like a lot and is someone I would like us to get. Nelson is 1st on my wish list but he may be a pipe dream. Edmunds would be my 2nd choice and M, Fitz at safety would be 2b.

    If a QB happens to fall to 11 then I would be watching the AZ hotline and welcome a move to 15 to get extra picks. I believe someone mentioned that in another post. Unless that QB was Rosen, then I take him as my future RT replacement.

    Out of all the players above Vea would be the least liked for me at pick 11. I am not saying he's not a good player but I am unsure how many snaps this guy could take in the DL rotation with Phillips, Taylor and DG. Although with the release of Suh he most certainly could be the pick. For me depth at DT in later rounds would be more welcomed.

    One of my favorites in this draft is TE Andrews from OU. Being from North Texas I got to see a lot of OU. Someone mentioned him in an earlier post. I feel like he'll go late 2nd round. I would love to see him there with Miami's 3rd round pick tho.

    Just my humble opinion.
     
  15. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    31,608
    55,631
    113
    Nov 25, 2007
    Everyone hates hearing about scheme fits until it comes time to do a post-mortem on why a guy didn't work out and then it was obvious all along.

    Burke saying they don't "label" their linebackers means there are no inherently individualized roles- which is true. That doesn't mean they don't have a profile they need to fit, specific skills, etc.
     
    Irishman likes this.
  16. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    111,651
    67,546
    113
    Dec 20, 2007
    Understand and understood but I’m talking about our situation, we need players, and at this point when projecting a couple years from now we have a total of one linebacker I believe in and he hasn’t even played a snap as a pro at linebacker..

    So where does that leave us? Imo it leaves us not passing on potential great players because we dont think they can stack and shed very well
     
    Last edited: Apr 7, 2018
  17. hitman8

    hitman8 Well-Known Member

    3,040
    2,485
    113
    Nov 11, 2016
    As much as you want to ignore this in this defense you need linebackers with strong poa play who can stack and shed. The wide nine exposes the linebackers to blockers more then a traditional 4-3, therefore you need linebackers that can take on and beat blocks at the poa without having to run around them and lose their run fits.

    That's exactly why kiko was moved to will from his previous mike, because he is not good at taking on the inside blocks and maintaining his run fits.
     
  18. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    111,651
    67,546
    113
    Dec 20, 2007
    kid was the best pass rusher in college football, he can do it..he has excellent plans to the qb and it all comes instinctively.

    I watch him get skinny around the corner, has the flexion to bend around the corner, excellent spin move, he can deek around blockers to the qb, he’s actually new to pass rushing and he already shown hi level natural moves in his repertoire and was incredibly productive.. along with other skills he does well.
     
    Last edited: Apr 8, 2018
  19. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    111,651
    67,546
    113
    Dec 20, 2007
    Yeah are you forgetting that Raekwon is our mike, Mac is the man in the middle working inside that box, that triangle between him and that of the interior lineman, filling those gaps, stacking and shedding with centers and guards, which he does well, he also has the ability to go sideline to sideline..

    I believe Raekwon’s skillset and responsibilities will free up his partner on the weak side to play more freely, attack the ball, shoot the gaps and make plays in coverage..he just plays the blood zone area of he field beautifully and is so physical when going downfield, thats exactly what he is and what we need in this defense, he’s a huge piece, and when your def ends are funneling everything inside then he’s really got the perfect skillset to stop the run.

    Once again I’m not taking a player because he’s big enough to stack and shed without having plus instincts, the player will be exposed by nfl coordinators..
     
    Last edited: Apr 8, 2018
    danmarino and DolfanR like this.
  20. hitman8

    hitman8 Well-Known Member

    3,040
    2,485
    113
    Nov 11, 2016
    You dont know what you are talking about. It's not just the mike who needs to do this in our wide 9 defense. The sam and to a lesser extent the will also need to be strong at the poa and take on blocks to prevent the offense from attacking the wider b and c gaps created by the wide alignment. It exposes the sam and will to being blocked by guards, tackles and tight ends. This is not a defense for lightweight linebackers with weak poa ability. That's why chase allen was our best rated linebacker last year in his rookie year as an udfa because he had the strongest poa ability out of all the active LBs on the team and was the only one who could regularly take on and beat blocks while maintaining his run fits.

    Lets say we draft smith. Where exactly are you going to play him? The only open spot right now is sam where he would be playing out of position and forced to take on strong side blocks exposing his terrible poa and block shed ability. The only place he could be consistently effective is at will, a position already occupied by Kiko who is being paid 7+ million per year to start and who cannot be cut.

    You could move kiko back to mike and put smith at weak while moving mcmillan to strong. But then you would have the same problems which made us move kiko to will in that he also has poor stack and shed ability and poa strength.

    Do you see now why scheme fit is important for us when selecting a linebacker for this defense? If you want us to pick a guy like smith and be succesfull then we need to change the defense and play several guys out of position in order to accomodate his specific skill set and hide his flaws.

    Or you could pick a guy like edmunds who can play any of the LB positions in any type of defense. And in our defense especially where we need a sam he would fit perfectly. His still in development read skills (which are not as bad as you say and will only get better considering he is still only 19) will not be exposed as much at sam since it is a position which really does not require extraordinary read skills in this defense.
     
    Last edited: Apr 9, 2018
  21. Hoops

    Hoops Well-Known Member

    1,183
    1,484
    113
    Dec 11, 2016
    Griffin would be a wlb in our scheme. We wouldn’t get the edge rush value. He doesn’t do anything with a hand in the dirt rush wise.

    The grade would have to come from the off the ball lb ask.

    Be a better fit for a scheme that occasionally rushes the lb on the edge in a 2 point. Not sure who that fits exactly. Maybe a Arizona. Someone willing to sacrifice downhill poa run d for the backside run and chase

    The backside run and chase probably being his most redeeming quality. That dude can wreck things if you don’t account for him on the los from the backside.

    I don’t think the pure edge rush transfers vs nfl caliber tackles in terms of that being his meal ticket. Have to be more spot duty work and Miami doesn’t implement lb vs tackles as a primary rush option.
     
    hitman8 likes this.
  22. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    111,651
    67,546
    113
    Dec 20, 2007
    I don’t believe you know how to evaluate talent.

    Passing on prospects who have traits that’s translate for ones who don’t just because you have some schematic vision in your head is how you strike out... twice..
     
    Last edited: Apr 8, 2018
    danmarino likes this.
  23. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    111,651
    67,546
    113
    Dec 20, 2007
    Drafting and winning is hard enough to beat the others guys.. trying to find pegs to fit in your holes is how you get fired..

    Great players find way to overcome, and impact the game in ways you may not be seeing but others do..
     
    danmarino likes this.
  24. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    31,608
    55,631
    113
    Nov 25, 2007
    The cost to use Roquan Smith to the skill-set he has right now is too great. You're asking for a pretty radical change to how the defensive line plays their gaps, and how they line up. You've got pretty much two guys on your defensive line who can really play the run the way that you'd need to protect a guy like Roquan Smith from blockers and/or spill runningbacks wide so he can chase them sidelines to sideline. Besides William Hayes and Davon Godchaux, you've got a bunch of guys who are all best doing what the Dolphins are doing.
     
    hitman8 likes this.
  25. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    111,651
    67,546
    113
    Dec 20, 2007
    Here’s my thing Pate with these linebackers, there’s no Luke kuechly here, I’m not coo koo for Smith or Evans, I think their good prospects, but they have some weaknesses, and so does Tremaine Edmunds, imo I see so much more risk with Edmunds that I’m out on that.. I at least feel comfortable with Roquan and Evans playing at the next level..

    Hell if it’s up to me, I would take Griffin in the 2nd to satisfy my linebacker need and debate that with you til the cows come home and free up my first round pick for someone like Minkah, Payne, or Hurst
     
  26. Hoops

    Hoops Well-Known Member

    1,183
    1,484
    113
    Dec 11, 2016
    I’d rather just draft guys who on tape fit what we do and in the process the grade carries for in the first place. 3 point up field edge guys, interior gap penetrators, zone scheme o line fits, pre snap and progression read qbs, 2 way go slots, flex/split coverage and leverage if tight end, poa and gap fill lbs.

    Not 2 point ideal edge players or projection based position change off the ball lb adds, not light in the pants or undersized lbs as plan a.

    Projection is how you whiff.

    Tj watt for instance would have had to play strong side backer in this scheme. Instead he got drafted for the ideal scheme fit and the one most bang for your draft buck 34 olb. North south player primarily needs to go north south.

    Tremaine Edmunds is not a primary edge on the los lb on tape. He’s off the ball fit. If you draft that as a primary edge rusher you deserve to be pinked.

    It’s bear front and off the ball overload and gap blitz. Decoy type edge rush use. If he gets home vs a tackle congrats on that snap you beat the odds.
     
    Irishman and hitman8 like this.
  27. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    111,651
    67,546
    113
    Dec 20, 2007
    I respect that..we agree on a lot of prospects over the years, but I think this is where we differ a bit..
     
  28. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    31,608
    55,631
    113
    Nov 25, 2007
    I don't know that I agree with the idea that linebackers in this defense have to be take-on linebackers.

    You've got to be able to defeat blocks. That can be done by physically engaging and then getting off of blocks, or it can be done by speed, acceleration, understanding of the blocking scheme, etc. Ideally, you've got some combination of both of those things.

    Raekwon McMillan does both of those things. I'd argue that while he's competent at both, he's actually better avoiding blocks then taking them on. He does a really good job of reading the blocking scheme, knowing when to pull the trigger to fill downhill, and how to present a difficult target to hit when approaching the LOS.

    Roquan Smith could potentially get by with just blocker evasion, but he doesn't have the experience doing it and I think it's a hell of a ****ing thing to ask a guy to develop. I don't know that there's a whole lot of successful comparisons here of a guy playing in this type of scheme, who would have to learn how to evade blockers on the fly, and who would also be entirely dependent on doing so because he's a bad fit to engage them physically.
     
    danmarino likes this.
  29. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    31,608
    55,631
    113
    Nov 25, 2007
    I've got the same kind of feelings about Griffin as I do Smith.

    At the end of the day if the linebacker isn't there, don't take a linebacker. You can solve a lot of your problems with a dime defender. That's an option that's on the table as well.
     
  30. Hoops

    Hoops Well-Known Member

    1,183
    1,484
    113
    Dec 11, 2016
    Raekwon flows laterally up to off tackle Roquan turns and runs

    Range hiding instincts at the college level. That’s the difference I see

    I’m not sure what Edmunds does. Been a while since I looked at his tape I’d have to take another look. Although I have zero concerns with his game with regards to the strong side ask. I think his shed needs some work frankly but with that frame and that thump its not even a blip on the radar for me.

    If you want a more instinctual nickel mike option I think Vander Esch gives you that but he’s not the same level poa player consistency wise and like Edmunds it will take 2 years for you to see the full return. And I think you can possibly trade down to 15 and grab him safely.

    The frame and upside is better than the tape at this stage. But be warned one year starter so there’s risk involved.

    But if I was gonna draft Vander Esch it would be at mike. And that would mean Raekwon kicks to strong. He’s better at the poa than esch is right now.
     
    danmarino likes this.
  31. Nappy Roots

    Nappy Roots Well-Known Member

    10,191
    4,187
    113
    Dec 3, 2007
    Bradenton,FL

    Downing Edmunds instincts pretty big time, then list Rashaan Evans as a better pro? Its agreed across the scouting community that Evans doesn't see plays happening well.
     
    Sceeto likes this.
  32. Surfs Up 99

    Surfs Up 99 Team Flores & Team Tua

    1,950
    1,785
    113
    May 5, 2016
    I've been all over the place and think I have finally settled in on Vita Vea. At first, I wanted someone who was a little quicker off the snap, but I have changed my mind. I think Vea's power and motor will help us out more. I think he has a high floor. Worst case scenario with me is they have to double team him like they did Suh and it helps our LB play because he ties up an OG and/ or OC. Best case is he can do that plus get after it a little bit. I am playing it a little safe at 11. Don't want to screw it up.
     
  33. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    111,651
    67,546
    113
    Dec 20, 2007
    They all have their warts, Edmunds instincts warts are more dangerous than the other prospects.
     
  34. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    111,651
    67,546
    113
    Dec 20, 2007
    I have Payne being the most technically sound player against the run between he and Vea..He’s really strong and stout there, and plays it beautifully and consistent.. it was his main job in that scheme and he did it extremely well.. Comes off the snap with excellent position, never goes backwards because of leverage advantage, His eyes are always up tracking , arms always extended and engaged, and sheds to finish with violence.. I put him above Vea because I think think you will have more upside in pass rush with him between the two, based on movement..
     
    Irishman and Surfs Up 99 like this.
  35. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    111,651
    67,546
    113
    Dec 20, 2007
    While I think Edmunds could handle some of the strong side asks like you said, I think he can be easily exploited once coordinators figure out he lacks instincts and awareness..
     
  36. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    111,651
    67,546
    113
    Dec 20, 2007
    Yeah... I couldn’t pass on Griffin in the 2nd, I’ll take my chances that burke would find a way to utilize such a unique set of skills
     
  37. miamiron

    miamiron There's always next year

    2,354
    1,402
    113
    Jan 4, 2008
    With the departure of Suh and his 877 snaps in 2017. Then Phillips with
    only 402 snaps,Taylor with 185 snaps,Godchaux with 500 snaps Whose "COMBINED"
    snaps amounted to almost all our defensive snaps for the season, I'm sure Vea
    would have no problem finding enough snaps.

    My problem with Vea,even though I believe our defensive tackle position
    will be our defensive Achilles heel for 2018.Would the addition of Vea
    replacing one of the top 5 defensive tackles in the game make us a better team?

    With that said it might have been a joy watching Vea lineup NEXT TO SUH
    for at least a year...then I woke up

    I'm not sure the direction this team will go but it sure should be interesting
     
  38. Hoops

    Hoops Well-Known Member

    1,183
    1,484
    113
    Dec 11, 2016
  39. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

    15,360
    20,983
    113
    Sep 4, 2014
    lol....The reason you get no respect is because you have no ability to assess players, consider other's opinions, or take advice. It's not like what deej is writing is some new opinion of Edmunds or Smith. In fact, people who get paid to grade players are in a agreement a lot more with deej than anything you write.

    Anyhow, you once again just tear down other players in order to build up those you like. That's not how you do things. At least not if you want to be taken seriously. Disagree with deej all you want, but saying he doesn't know what he's talking about is close to the dumbest thing you've ever written. And that's saying a lot.


    The OLBs in the wide-9 don’t have to be the 6’3” 250lbs+ guys you see in a 4-3 Over/Under SAM linebacker or as an edge OLB in a 3-4. You can get away with some smaller, quicker guys so long as they can fill gaps hard and fast and have enough strength to take on a TE or FB as a blocker. Most teams using the 4-3 wide-9 have a right and left outside linebackers rather than a strong and weak outside linebacker as your adjustments come more with the defensive line. This is something you seem to not realize.




    [​IMG]

    Oh hey! Look at Smith taking on this LG and then making the tackle. If anyone actually believed what you wrote they would think this was FAKE NEWS...lol... And he knocked that LG on his azz....Not only that, he KNEW the play before the ball was snapped.

    [​IMG]

    Here we see Smith making a great play. I don't see Edmunds, at least not in his first couple of years, reading this play as quickly as Smith and making the tackle where Smith did.

    [​IMG]

    Look how Smith reads this play. He also avoids the RT nicely. I doubt Edmunds, due to his slower processing time, makes this play. At least not anytime soon.

    Kiko at Will or RLB, McMillian and Mike, and Smith at the Sam or LLB would be one hell of a LB'ing corps as long as Kiko plays next season like he did the first 5 games of last season. If Kiko plays next season like he did the last 11 games I think he's gone in 2019.
     
  40. Hoops

    Hoops Well-Known Member

    1,183
    1,484
    113
    Dec 11, 2016
    Those plays you reference look to be Roquans primary assignments.

    I don’t agree with the no weak and strong side lb label thing. Not when miami seems to put certain skill set that fits each in the role.

    Lawrence Timmons was the Silb in Pittsburgh. The more thump tackle to tackle ask. He was the strong side and nickel mike in miami. Kiko weak nickel and base weak.

    Biggest issue with Kiko at weak is he allowed the cover assignment too much air space. If you ask him to cover a Alvin kamara with no help as in primary assignment that’s a scheme fail not a Kiko one.

    Kiko always leads with the proper shoulder something that’s underrated. That’s not to say Kiko carried a plus grade in 2017 he didn’t. Eliminate the air space I think you get a better coverage result backer. But add a rangy hybrid type and you can live with Kiko at weak and ask that hybrid to carry coverage vs tight ends etc. that’s where a derwin james value to Miami really pops off.

    I don’t think minkah plays with the same physicality vs size as Derwin. Be more a run minkah underneath ask.
     
    Last edited: Apr 9, 2018
    danmarino likes this.

Share This Page