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SI Article: Rise of the Y-Iso

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Surfs Up 99, Apr 8, 2018.

  1. Surfs Up 99

    Surfs Up 99 Team Flores & Team Tua

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    For those like me who are antiquated and think we need a TE who can block too and not so sure why we can get away with one that can't, this article (link below) might help explain why. It came out in 2016, but I think it's still current for this years NFL.

    https://www.si.com/mmqb/2016/07/13/nfl-tight-end-use-travis-kelce-rob-gronkowski-greg-olsen

    So with that in mind, what TE -that we have a chance of taking in round 2- do you think fits our system the best? I know we need one, but a lot of teams do, would you reach for a guy? Thanks in advance for the thoughts and opinions!
     
  2. hitman8

    hitman8 Well-Known Member

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    Mark Andrews is our best bet in this draft class.
     
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  3. thetylernator

    thetylernator You're as cold as ice, Officer Friendly.

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    From what I've read, Dalton Schultz is the do-it-all Y tight-end that would realistically be available at our 2nd round pick. Some have drawn comparisons to Jason Witten and others to Dwayne Allen, but he reminds me of a prime Anthony Fasano with more receiving potential.

    Besides, I have my doubts that Mark Andrews will even make it out of the first round.
     
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  4. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Interesting, you got everyone and the mother putting Tight end prospects above Andrews..
     
  5. Hoops

    Hoops Well-Known Member

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    Run y iso like the Texans run with Deandre Hopkins to get him off coverage with devantae Parker and you will make more plays than you would with any tight end in this class.

    But still draft mark Andrews.
     
  6. thetylernator

    thetylernator You're as cold as ice, Officer Friendly.

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    Not sure I understand what you're saying.

    The only prospect who, in my opinion, is close to Andrews in talent is Hayden Hurst. I expect both to go late in the 1st to a pair of the plethora of TE-needy teams.

    Goedert, Gesicki, and Schultz should be 2nd-3rd rounders.
     
  7. muskrat21

    muskrat21 Well-Known Member

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    get better value in the 2nd on a lb cb s ol wr rb dl qb take herndon later.
     
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  8. Surfs Up 99

    Surfs Up 99 Team Flores & Team Tua

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    That was one reason I asked. Can we get by without drafting a TE? I sure wouldn’t want to force one when we could take someone
    better at another position.
     
  9. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    If we can get Andrews in the 2nd round I'd be ecstatic!
     
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  10. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Adam Gase probably runs the most Y-ISO in the league fwiw, but I tend to think he runs it for reasons other that the TE. It also allows you to run 3-man route combos with wide receivers while retaining the freedom to run whatever 6 or even 7-man protection schemes you want.

    I tend to think that in terms of profile, they're going to want someone who can A). Play in-line, and B). Run a diverse route tree(especially w/ regard to horizontal routes from an in-line position).

    To me, that's Dallas Goedert, Hayden Hurst, and Ian Thomas. I think you can squint and get to Mark Andrews, especially considering their willingness to accept the blocking you got from Julius Thomas and Jordan Cameron.

    Mike Gesicki I think is just too pathetic as a blocker to handle in-line play, and I don't know if he's really very good on horizontal stemming routes.
     
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  11. Hoops

    Hoops Well-Known Member

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    Well in 2017 that iso seemed to always be run for the tight end. Makes for very easy coverage ids for the qb pre snap.

    Cutler couldn’t throw it in the ocean with Julius Thomas either. If he had the strong safety stacked off the line the throw took away the stack if the cover player was over the top he didn’t throw back shoulder etc when split wide.

    Hayden hurst game looks an awful lot like an h back to me. With the added seam route value. Lines up an awful lot a yard off the los or even in the backfield. He’s twitchy and I like the player I just don’t think his skill set is that much different than what we have in marquis gray. Just at a higher level.

    Gesickis stride as a long strider takes away that top shelf test short area quickness at the top of routes. So you get a guy that test better than the tape. 3 cone he’s not running a vertical stem he’s basically staying lateral. But that stride is the way I see it a deterrent. He does get downfield in a hurry though.

    Goedert at the top of routes rounds them off. Not a clean route runner. Needs work or good athletes in the pros will drive on it.

    For someone who lacks short area quickness test wise mark Andrews runs a elite caliber pivot route.
     
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  12. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    The Dolphins were(I believe) the league leaders in Y-ISO w/ Dion Sims dominating the snap count in '16 and I tend to think they were close in '17 again. Gase seems to have a motivation other than TE, strictly.

    I don't know if he's an obligate H-Back, but I don't know that it would be a problem for the Dolphins if he ended up that way. I said I thought the Dolphins would prefer an in-line guy, but generally speaking I think it's more that they can be expected to create and win a gap in the run game in some fashion or another.
     
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  13. Hoops

    Hoops Well-Known Member

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    That motivation should be dvp on iso in breaking routes. I think with tanny dvps production is going to take a significant step.

    Cutler airmailed tunnel screens to dvp that would have walked in when we caught a team in a blitz and left a quick slant where dvp murdered the corner at the los off the ball thrown behind bailing out on the throw even in 3 step that would have also walked in.

    Tanny won’t miss these throws. And all the timing routes on 3 5 and 7 step will be back on the table and executed properly.

    Just stay healthy Ryan. Or let the football gods drop josh rosen to 11. Hell how bout both.
     
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  14. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    What would you think about Ryan Izzo as that in-line TE?
     
  15. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I think that athletically he's more of a #2/blocker guy. When I say that they'd prefer an in-line guy, it doesn't necessarily mean they can block that well, so much as they have the skills to run the kind of routes and releases that come from in-line play.
     
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  16. Hoops

    Hoops Well-Known Member

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    Wherever Miami can ensure itself mark Andrews pull the trigger
     
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