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Some optimism on the RT front.

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by tirty8, Jul 28, 2018.

  1. tirty8

    tirty8 Well-Known Member

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    It's been three days of camp and our boy, RT17 has yet to throw a pick. I am not gonna lie, I was expecting some (maybe even a lot) of rust. Additionally, I was expecting a learning curve from some of our newer guys as it may take some time for them to learn the system and get in sync with RT.

    On the negative, it appears that on several occasions, he may have gotten our boy, Amendola killed with some of his throws. I would like to see him improve his ball placement going forward. In fairness, RT has gone from an awful deep ball to a quite respectable deep pass. I keep hearing about nice deep passes in camp. The only problem that I have heard about these passes is the drops which is not his fault. From what I have heard, his pocket presence (this too was pretty bad) has gotten much better. I think that better ball placement is the next step on his progression as a passer.

    I think that this needs to improve sooner rather than later. My guess is that RT will rely heavily on Amendola. His great hands and quick wiggle will allow him to follow in the footsteps of Bess, Hartline, and Landry. What sets Danny apart is that he is a veteran with a history of injuries. I really think that Danny Amendola is an important part of this team and losing him would be devastating.

    That being said, I feel really encouraged about the start of RT's camp. I hope he can grow even more in this month before the season.
     
  2. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    On a side note, I read that Osweiler clearly outplayed Fales on Friday with several perfect deep balls and very nice passes. Fales was the clear leader up until yesterday, so hopefully it's an actual competition in the weeks ahead.

    For Tannehill, everything coming out of camp is positive at this time- he's making smart reads, he's getting the ball out fast, etc. Gase also said last week that RT has zero rust and is playing even more confident than before the knee injury. His biggest statement- RT has taken the next step and clearly on a different level than ever before. Who knows how much of that is fluff...but the staff is expecting a huge year anyway.
     
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  3. Irishman

    Irishman Well-Known Member

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    Looks more and more like our coaching staff knows what they are doing.
     
  4. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Somebody I respect was there on his first day and said he was late on some throws throughout..

    As far as ball placement, I believe he has innate accuracy in his game so I’m not concerned about that..

    To me with Ryan it’s about sensing where pressure is coming from, having the anticipation to see it early, reset and either throw or make a play.
     
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  5. tirty8

    tirty8 Well-Known Member

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    Inconsistency is the story of Osweiler's life. There are days in which he looks like a bonafide starter and there are days in which he looks like Brandon Weeden. He reminds me of Josh Allen. Osweiler has a big frame and can throw the ball a country mile. It's just that accuracy that gets him.

    I think the Fales vs. Osweiler battle is one of the most interesting battles in camp. Although it feels like an eternity, Brock is just two years removed from a mega deal. Since signing that deal, it has been a whirlwind for him. He was thrust into Bill O'Brien's hands (possibly against his will), and they clashed. In fairness, both are probably a bit to blame. O'Brien did try and force the ball down field with Brock's arm, but his accuracy became problematic. O'Brien put emphasis on the short passes to allow Brock to build his confidence through smaller successes. Brock and his salary were shipped to Cleveland, and the Browns received a 2nd round pick to take his salary. The Browns never actually wanted him, and he was cut. Brock tried to recapture old glory and returned to Denver on short notice with a new head coach.

    It is safe to say, that Miami is the first team that has actually wanted him AND was willing to develop time and resources into having him on the team in quite a while. Fales, like Osweiler is a Gase guy that has improved his skillset as his arm strength has improved. He has spent time on the Dolphins' roster, and has shown that he can be serviceable when called upon. Osweiler lacks the consistency that Fales has, and there is a chance that his accuracy could be a liability if called upon. I think that with Fales, you know what you got, you could game plan around him, and he could be decent in short stretches, if that is what you are interested in. With Brock, you need to figure out game to game what you have "hot Brock" or "cold Brock."

    I would love to be a fly on the wall in the Dolphins' HQ when Osweiler was signed. How did the team view him? A failed starter with experience with Gase? Someone that could compete for a backup role? Or more interestingly, is he a "Plan B"? It is undeniable that this is RT's last chance in Miami. If Fales was our backup and RT flopped, the cupboard is empty. Now, if Brock can show enough in terms of accuracy and consistency the preseason, his ceiling could keep him on the roster. If his accuracy improves, he is an NFL starter. The problem with keeping Fales over Brock is that the team could not continue to work and develop his accuracy during the season. Moreover, there is a strong likelihood that Brock could become the league's 3rd quarterback. If a team's starter is hurt, I imagine Brock's arm strength and starting experience would make him sought after. I do not think that cutting Fales poses the same problem. I think Fales is far more valuable to the Dolphins' than the rest of the league.

    I think that this is going to be an interesting decision.
     
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  6. MikeHoncho

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    While I will miss his effort during play, I will not the extracurricular yapping and nonsense (the stuff usually ending in 15 yards for the other team).
     
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  7. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I think you wanna be in the Jarvis is a punk azz thread
     
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  8. KeyFin

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    From an inside type source, I was told that the Fins saw Osweiller as a highly efficient QB that got thrown into the wrong system and self-destructed out of frustration. The Texans gave him very little support and didn't play to his strengths, then Cleveland saw him as an easy payday for that free 2nd rounder. I was told he really didn't get a fair chance in either system and that Gase believes that he can still be a highly effective QB that is starting caliber. I think he is "plan B" even though nobody outside of Miami would even want to sign the guy at this point.

    Again though, take that with a grain of salt since it came to me from a friend of a team executive. It could be 100% accurate or just that person's opinion- I never know with that kind of thing and it's usually why I don't share it.
     
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  9. Irishman

    Irishman Well-Known Member

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    Well thought out, well said!
     
  10. Dorfdad

    Dorfdad Well-Known Member

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    I think we need to be looking into another backup QB because the two we got are not starting material and I’m not sure Ryan is yet either (injury comeback)
     
  11. Sceeto

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    Who? There are not tons of good, starting caliber QBs sitting on benches as backups. I don't think we're in such a bad situation with our back-ups. I like Fales and Brock has looked really good for stretches until he just brain farts and starts throwing bonehead picks. If Gase thinks he can coach those bonehead moments out of him, then we could possibly be in relatively very good shape with our backups. The Philly situation is rare. Where's that Earl Morrall guy?
     
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  12. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Tannehill has been the starter for six years...and people still want to debate if he's the guy. Like, he may never be Marino, but he's our freaking starting QB.
     
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  13. cbrad

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    Gase made his bed with Tannehill by not picking a QB high in the draft. Personally, I wanted us to draft a QB high to at least provide serious competition, but Gase chose not to and I think he'll either live or die by that decision.

    We'll see what happens, but I'll be real upset if our passing offense isn't clearly above average this season, or if Tannehill misses games because of injury. This is a fool-me-twice situation with any serious injury to Tannehill so "QB injury" is no excuse this year.
     
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  14. Fin-O

    Fin-O Initiated Club Member

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    Agreed. It’s an uneasy feeling knowing if Ryan goes down, our season is literally over yet again.

    Woukd be nice to have a backup you could atleast HOPE played well.

    Not sure why we were so fast to jettison Matt Moore if all we were going to replace him with is those guy’s.
     
  15. KeyFin

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    Moore wanted out after we brought in Cutler, so it wasn't really Miami's decision. He was told in the start of camp last year that he'd be the starter or definitely compete to be the starter...but then Cutler was named starter before he ever walked on the field. Unfortunately, that happens a lot with quarterbacks and Moore was rightfully pissed over it. No athlete wants to accept that the next big hit could sideline them for a month under the concussion protocol, but we all knew that's where Moore was at. It's a shame because he was one of my favorites.

    As far as our QB situation this season, Gase is still really high on Fales. Great instinct and really smart kid. He was limited by his throwing strength but that's been improving...so I think he can play on Moore-like levels for short stretches if necessary. And Gase still feels like Osweiller is serviceable in that same role; they're working with him on accuracy issues and supposedly cleaning it up.

    Plain and simple, if RT goes down then we'll be fighting to be a .500 team again...but Gase has that much confidence in his abilities. So let's cross our fingers, say a prayer or whatever you do to shake away the bad mojo.
     
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  16. Bumrush

    Bumrush Stable Genius Club Member

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    Hey it worked out pretty damn well for Philly last season.. While Brock never had the type of efficiency Fales had before his renaissance, he was good enough to get signed to a massive contract.
    Even if it's a long shot it's worth the shot, given the limited downside in using him as a camp body.
     
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  17. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    Exactly. If Osweiller turns things around and plays great, we win. If he doesn't, we lose nothing...which is a lot like winning as well. So it's really doesn't matter either way as long as Gase is comfortable with RT #1 and Fales #2 (which we pretty much know he is).

    One other thing to keep in mind is that Gase is respected around the league for resurrecting journeymen QB's careers. That means Osweiller is literally playing for his pro career to continue- if we cut him then he's almost certainly done. Other teams will assume that if Gase couldn't figure it out, then there's probably not a solid solution there that can be reached in one season.
     
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  18. MikeHoncho

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    I don't think he's a punk jazz though. I respect his game.
     
  19. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Do I respect his game, yes..he had great hands, great core strength, and finished like a running back, tough as nails..weaknesses were evident from college, father away he gets from the LOS the easier cover he became..average route runner..very little boundary ability imo.

    Do I think he thinks his game has more value than it deserves..absolutely..

    Do I think he is a punk *** and a poor leader...absolutely.

    Would I of gave him 15 mill a year if I was the GM...HEEEEEEL NO.

    To me he’s busted..I’ve mentioned several times over the years that his route running is not as good as most think, and he can’t play on the boundary...Gase not letting him run more routes makes absolute sense..
     
  20. Carmen Cygni

    Carmen Cygni Well-Known Member

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    Just a reminder, this was Tannehill's coach in college and during his first 2 years in the NFL.

     
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  21. resnor

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    Such a buffoon.
     
  22. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Lol
     
  23. Triggercut

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    OP didn't age well
     

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