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Trade attempts, Cuts, Keeps...

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Redwine4all, Aug 26, 2018.

  1. Redwine4all

    Redwine4all Well-Known Member

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    Its that time of year...rosters are being bounced around and we have decisions to make. People way smarter than me are going to be making those decisions, and people way smarter than me on this board will voice opinions about them. I am a rank amateur with no special skills. I am just a fan. And maybe we are about to embark on a Super Bowl Run.

    But to my amateur eyes, I don't see it.

    Right now, we don't have that many hard decisions of players to keep other than RB and WR. Its going to be more keeping players who shouldn't be in the NFL.

    I would attempt to trade DeVante Parker (Jacksonville). I'd be looking for a LT and a way to kick Tunsil inside. He's not cutting it. Perhaps, we move Davis to LT and Tunsil to RG. I am not sure what to do...I just see the OL is dysfunctional. The current combination isn't working.

    I'd cut Lippett and Tankersley. Neither are worthy of keeping around. Tankersley is very, very bad. There is no getting around it. Lippett has been a nice story, but I don't think he's the same player that he was.

    We don't have the starter opposite Xavien. I guess its McCain, and Fitz at nickel. That is the strongest group, but BMac isn't an elite sideline corner...I do think he's very good in the slot.

    Backup QB--I'd definitely keep Bryce Petty. The other two are hot garbage. More on QBs in a bit.

    RB. I don't know that I'd keep Gore...no knock on him whatsover...I just think we are going to keep Ballage, should keep Sinorice, and we have a few younger players. This is going to a bad year, so let's see if there is a diamond in one of the other young players.

    WR. Stills, Wilson, Grant, Amendola, Ford, and Owusu. Trade Parker, see ya Carroo.

    TE--Gray, Derby, Gesicki, Smythe.

    OL--Its a hot mess. Starters--Not sure at LT, Sitton, Kilgore, Davis, James...I'd keep Asiata...keep Tunsil in a backup role. This is once again an achilles heel. Its not good. Kilgore is only decent at pass protection. But I like him and Jesse in the running game. Tunsil is hot crap. If he wasn't a first rounder...:sigh:

    DL. Vincent Taylor should start. He and Phillips. Quinn is good.

    LB. I was high on the LBs. Raekwon being substandard isn't good. I think its Chase Allen, Kiko, and Baker as starters...the others, Raekwon included, aren't good.

    Safety. 4 good players with Big 3 and Mo Smith.

    CB is a disaster. Or at least one of the positions is. Maybe Jalen Davis or Cornell Armstrong can develop into something worth holding on to. Cordrea cannot be on this team. He can't cover his grandmother. He's horrible.

    Who knows what happens in the future...from what I have SEEN, this is a trainwreck. Not sure how the Mr Ross will react. Does he get rid of Tannebaum and the GM? Does he clean house with Gase? I sort of doubt it.

    Does Gase get rid of Burke?

    Now QB...once again, RTs numbers don't match his play. He has a 100 QB rating for preseason. But he's Mr Magoo. Hes stumbling, bumbling, fumbling and not getting us in the end zone. Twice as many fumbles as TDs.

    I say we try to find a way to get Teddy Bridgewater. IMO, that would be the best option.

    Its a familiar scene for me--I am already looking at the draft and the season hasn't even started. Of course, what do I know...not much, admittedly.

    As I said at the start, this team could be putting together a Super Bowl season and I am too stupid to know it. Possible.

    But from my vantage point, No. Its not happening.
     
  2. Irishman

    Irishman Well-Known Member

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    Don't be so hard on yourself.

    You can be wrong and not be stupid. If it does come to your doing something stupid, I would be surprised if someone on this forum doesn't point it out to you.
     
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  3. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    I don't think it's ever stupid to be wrong- people who always play it safe or answer every question with "I don't know" just don't get anywhere in life. I said the same thing after predicting 10-6.....I could be off by 5 or 6 games. I have no idea. But that's not going to stop me from sharing my opinion anyway.

    I think you're wrong about the O-Line though- I saw a pretty solid pocket last night and I don't believe Tannehill was ever touched. His fumbles were due to the heavy rain; although I wasn't happy, I don't think it's time to write him off just yet either. And I do think we'll be okay at corner and LB this season....certainly not great but a slow progression. I think our strengths more than balance out our weaknesses if we play the right offensive style.

    What gets me more excited than anything though is having Gisecki, Drake, Grant and Parker in the red zone...our scoring percentage should be way up because you just can't shut down all 4 on a 3-7 yard play. So there's a lot there to work with if we come out swinging.
     
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  4. Nappy Roots

    Nappy Roots Well-Known Member

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    If we trade Parker, there is literally 0 chance we keep 6 WRs..

    Also, I am not sure what you're watching with the offensive line. To think the starting OL has been a disaster is a grossly wrong. Benched Tunsil? And then on the other hand talking about keeping Asiata like he has done something better than terrible is bizarre to me. Surprised they didn't cut him right after the last preseason game he was so cluelessly bad.
     
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  5. TheHighExhaulted

    TheHighExhaulted Well-Known Member

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    Who the hell would trade for Devante Parker?
     
  6. Redwine4all

    Redwine4all Well-Known Member

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    If you are right, this could be a very good season.
     
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  7. Redwine4all

    Redwine4all Well-Known Member

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    Asiata was HORRIBLE last year. I think Tunsil is still bad. Asiata, though, has improved...significantly. If he can continue to improve, as a depth player as a fifth round pick, that's great. Tunsil, to my untrained eye has not improved. I hope I am wrong. Very possible that I am. I just see a group out there that is completely dysfunctional.
     
  8. Redwine4all

    Redwine4all Well-Known Member

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    No one will give us much. But a team with high hopes that needs someone to come in and run a single route tree, who has had injuries to a starter, might throw a 4th and 7th.
     
  9. Surfs Up 99

    Surfs Up 99 Team Flores & Team Tua

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    I go back and forth with this, but considering his size and speed, he is still our best option for those on our team in his size category. I love Grant, Stills, Amendola, and Wilson, but we still need a taller guy to create certain match up problems for the defense. Unless, we have an opportunity to trade and upgrade, my hope is we still keep Parker this year. If at the end of the season the light bulb still hasn't come on, then we try and upgrade in the draft and FA.
     
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  10. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    I agree. If you have Parker on the right sideline and Gisecki working over the middle, that creates a problem for defenses. That problem benefits Stills, Grant, Wilson and Amendola whether Parker is catching the ball or not. We all know hitting Grant or Drake with a short slant route without defensive help over the top could go for a TD anywhere on the field- that's the benefit Parker brings. Or getting Stills those 1:1 looks as our actual #1 deep threat.

    So while he hasn't had that breakout season yet, I think his value is still there either way.
     
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  11. Irishman

    Irishman Well-Known Member

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    Wasn't he pretty much red shirted last year?
     
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  12. TheHighExhaulted

    TheHighExhaulted Well-Known Member

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    Now they're gonna get two picks for Parker. Ok.
     
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  13. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    From what I read, he didn't know the playbook well enough. He showed up to camp 20 pounds lighter and spent the entire off-season studying, so he should see some playing time this season.

    Also, the people saying he sucks have no idea what they're talking about. Some think that a lineman should drive the defender into the dirt every time on run plays and never once allow a pressure on passes- that person does not exist in the NFL. Even the best teams have pressure on a regular basis.

    Asita had a very good preseason and would likely be in the running to start if not for the trades we made. And that's an extremely good problem to have since linemen get banged up during the course of the season...depth is critical at O line.
     
  14. Tin Indian

    Tin Indian Rockin' The Bottom End Club Member

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    This. The Oline is better than it's been from side to side in years and Tunsil looks much better than last year, still room for improvement though. Tannehill looks perfectly fine to me, once again the lack of points has come from mental errors among others. If I have one big knock on the Gase era it's that the team commits far too many mental mistakes.

    I think the offense is going to be ok but I also get the feeling it's going to start slow again. I am still far more concerned with the interior D line and our young Linebackers over persuing and not maintaining their responsibilities.
     
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  15. Surfs Up 99

    Surfs Up 99 Team Flores & Team Tua

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    I know many have been critical of Gase's dink and dunk philosophy, but one advantage of getting the ball out early is our OL doesn't have to hold their blocks as long. Couple that with the hurry up, where defenses can't easily rotate guys on and off the field, and we might be able to actually move the ball this year. Here's hoping we can, anyway. :-)
     
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  16. Tin Indian

    Tin Indian Rockin' The Bottom End Club Member

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    And oh yeah, I am so over Parker it's not funny. I'm really disappointed too because he was the guy I wanted in the draft. If his only value comes from his height making him a threat on the field then I don't see any value at all. Biggest Puddin' Pop in the receiver room. And Carroo should be gone as well. I still cant believe they traded up for him.
     
  17. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    I get the feeling that Tunsil isn't the sharpest tool in the tool shed- I think he needs a veteran mentor to guide him a little to keep him on track. He had that year one in Albert and didn't have anyone last season (in the huddle at least), so I think that's where the drop-off came from. Skill-wise he's an elite player though so I'm not too worried there- he just needs more time than the average lineman to get up to speed. I think he will be pretty good this year and dominant at times, but I'm not expecting those "WTF!?!" moments to just disappear.

    In other words, I think he has Jake Long's ability to block....he just doesn't have Jake Long's smarts to lead an offensive line and know what everyone else is doing. Moving him back to guard would limit those learning curves but I don't think that's the long-term answer. He belongs at tackle.
     
  18. Tin Indian

    Tin Indian Rockin' The Bottom End Club Member

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    Well anyone that allows themselves to be videoed while wearing a bong mask you have to wonder. But I think he will be fine at left tackle for us. I think he is just young more than anything. We'll see.
     
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  19. Surfs Up 99

    Surfs Up 99 Team Flores & Team Tua

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    I hear ya. We all are disappointed. Evaluating prospects in the draft can be tough. They are all so well coached up by their agents, etc., it's hard to know what you are really getting. The fact that we actually drafted Fitzpatrick gives me hope that Grier actually does know what he is doing. The problem is, a typical draft isn't loaded with safe prospects like Fitzpatrick. Most of them have some sort of risk, which I am going to guess and say is either on the mental or injury side of things.
     
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  20. rafael

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    Couple that with the addition of Wilson and more usage of Drake and Grant in the pass game and we should see more plays like the one Grant housed against KC last year. That was off one of those WR screens so many here hate. IMO those were only questionable calls b/c we had too many poor blockers so the execution was poor. Wilson, Amendola and Grant will be the blockers and runners in those calls more often and they're better blockers and runners so those plays should be effective a higher percentage of the time.
     
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  21. tirty8

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    I think it would be wise to take a 4th for Parker. We aren't winning the Super Bowl, and I would not give him a big extension. What's the point of having a player on your team that is not making a significant impact in the present and probably isn't in the long term future? Take what we can get for him and move on.
     
  22. TheHighExhaulted

    TheHighExhaulted Well-Known Member

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    Randy Moss was traded for a 4th round pick. Miami would be lucky to get a conditional 6th or 7th for Parker right now.
     
  23. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    That's all fine and dandy...except where Gase said last week that they absolutely would not trade Parker.
     
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  24. Dorfdad

    Dorfdad Well-Known Member

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    Coach speak until they get a deal done I. Quiet!
     
  25. Tin Indian

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    I agree 100%, but the reality is we'd be lucky to get half a bag of stale peanuts for him. And that would probably be a good deal for us.
     
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  26. Dorfdad

    Dorfdad Well-Known Member

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    Jags just lost a starting wideout! The market is there!!
     
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    RevRick Long Haired Leaping Gnome Club Member

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    I was beginning to wonder if we would have to include a draft pick to get rid of him!*9

    [The 'enter' key on my keyboard seems to be a tad touchy for some reason... all I have to do is breathe on the bloody thing!]
     
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  29. Vertical Limit

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    Fans of other teams are looking at Devante Parker as a possible pickup if he clears waivers no one is trading the last pick of the draft for that bum
     
  30. Surfs Up 99

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    I am looking at it this way. In the draft, a guy we could take with a 6th or 7th round pick would be a guy we are taking a flier on, right? So, in essence, that is exactly what we are doing with Parker this year. We are taking a flier on him and seeing what he can do. The most likely difference between the two is athletic ability. A guy we could get with a 6th or 7th round pick probably doesn't have the athletic ability Parker does. So, IMO, considering that and what we know about Parker this far, I wouldn't take a 6th or 7th round pick. I would stick with Parker and his superior athletic ability and see we what we have. Both situations are risky, but keeping Parker most likely has the highest upside.

    ** However, that said, please somebody take away his Xbox and TV. No more Sponge Bob and video games!! ;-)
     
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  31. Fame

    Fame Well-Known Member

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    I stopped reading at "Trade Parker". For what? A bag of peanuts? This isn't Madden bro.
     
  32. Dorfdad

    Dorfdad Well-Known Member

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    I wish it was my Dolphins team is awsome on that game! If we get rid of Gase I’m available ! We go all out on 4th and long, wildcats, fake field goals were exciting to watch!!! Ross would love me
     
  33. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    LOL, if I were an NFL head coach I'd be tempted to never punt or kick field goals. That shaves a yard and a half off what you need each down to be productive and the small amounts of data out there says that the lack of returns/more 1st downs more than makes up for eliminating field goals and extra points.
     
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  34. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    Conservatism runs deep in the NFL. It's how the coaches can shift blame to players. It would probably take a higher level organizational directive for a coach to feel "safe" enough to do that.
     
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  35. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I know there is no stats for it but I’d be willing to bet that when a team has enough time at the end of game to run their 4 minute offense to win or tie, and they know they have four downs to do it, I bet the percentage of them scoring goes way up..

    When you know you have four downs to pick up ten yards and have no time constraints, big time advantage
     
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  36. Fame

    Fame Well-Known Member

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    I've always been intrigued by the prospect of what an owner/coach in the today's NFL would look like. As in, some billionaire's son grows up to be a good football coach, inherits his fathers team and takes on both roles. What conservative walls would that person be able to shatter with no fear of being fired?

    It would be very interesting to see how far the envelope could be pushed.
     
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    Can you imagine how psychologically deflating it would be for the defense too? Getting stops on 3rd down, only to watch the drive continue on 4th over and over again. Scheming for it would be a complete nightmare too.
     
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    The thing you're discounting is that many teams go into a prevent defense. They allow those under routes to chew up game clock. If they didn't go into prevent it might not be as successful as it appears to be. Never really like the prevent defense. It always seems to prevent the dolphins from winning when they are ahead.
     
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    This is something that an innovative team could capitalize on. I mean, a team kind of in the middle - not bad, but also not a legit Super Bowl team? Do something radical! Eventually, if it caught on and became normalized, this effect would lessen, but it would be interesting.

    Someone can disagree if they like, but my take is you won't get the combo of a billionaire's kid who both works hard enough and has the natural ability to be a legitimate head coach, unless they just anoint themselves as one. It's far more likely that as time goes on, a younger and more statistically driven owner might be influenced by a similar GM to find a coach who would implement such a scheme. Would be kind of like the Moneyball baseball thing. I think the current generation of owners are just too stodgy and conservative to embrace that kind of thing - plus, being old, they are less prone to taking risks that could "set the franchise back" ... you know, beyond "that" point.
     
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  40. djphinfan

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    The mistake I see often is when teams have enough time at the end of a game, and they have to score, they don’t use their regular based offense and treat the situation like they should, they panic and go away from what they would do in let’s say the beginning of a game in base offense..

    4 downs to pick up 10 yards..2.5 yards a carry.
     
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