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Thoughts on the Dolphins/Jets Game

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by KeyFin, Sep 16, 2018.

  1. Csonka Marino

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    We are being too conservative again. A few deep shots would be nice. We need to score 24 points to beat the Raiders. Have a good day.
     
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  2. The_Dark_Knight

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    The Jets and The Dolphins, an epic rivalry that goes back 50 years, before most here was born. In all my years of watching the Dolphins, one thing stands clear in my mind about this matchup over the years, it’s always a battle, whether or not either team is any good. Yesterday’s game was no exception. Now with that being said, let’s address some specifics.

    As much as I hate to say it, Sam Darnold is the real deal. This kid has some great talent and is going to be a force to reckon with for years to come.

    Four quarters...60 minutes. That’s the length of a football game. The Dolphins forgot this yesterday. Miami showed up for the first half. I don’t know where they were the 2nd half. The elation of being up 20-0 and stopping the Jets as time run out in the first half must’ve made Miami think the game was over. Granted it’s still very early in the season and teams are still working out the kinks but Miami can’t do this and expect to have a winning season. Discipline guys.
     
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  3. Surfs Up 99

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    Gase does seem to be holding his cards close to the vest doesn't he. I can sort of appreciate his patience in a way. If it were me, I would have been trying to get Gesicki involved more, but that might be our team's detriment. That bad play in game 1 is a good example. Maybe Gesicki isn't ready for regular season games and the trust isn't there. It's probably more on the protection side than receiving. I keep telling myself to be patient it's going to come, but sometimes it's hard. I want our offense to be kick *** like KC, but I am probably just dreaming.
     
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  4. Sceeto

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    The Mink man was awesome. They drafted our star DB for, hopefully, years to come. Rook? Awww yeah.

    Last two weeks the interior DL has been stout. Very cool. Very pleased. They were a concern of mine heading into the season.

    T-hill was solid today. made a few bad mistakes, such as the fumbles and missing Wilson on that deep route, but he also made a lot of good plays, enough to get the lead, keep it and get the win.

    We beat the effin' Jets!!

    I pretty much hate all the teams in the AFCE, but especially the Jets. When they play, it's always like a sacred holiday. Has been since I was a little punk sitting in front of the TV watching those heart attack games?

    Woooo! mother effers!!!!! :butthead::hammertime::beer:
     
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  5. Grippa

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    Good Game, mostly everyone did their job when it matters the most.

    Since I play FF lol I’m always on redzone
    Flip it to the dolphins when ever they are on defense. Lol I’m really watching our defense this year, for the first time I’ve been really only focusing on our defense.

    I don’t really believe in the offense and RT (sorry guys) when I watch Darnold Audible vs RT different Qb , I hate to say it , RT doesn’t have it for me. Oh Gase need to give up on play calling, I understand the DD , is our style to get the ball out fast and pick the defense apart. I can’t help notice it’s gimmicky at times and way too predictable.

    Other than that I ma pulling for MF to get his first INT hopefully a pick 6 for the rooks.
     
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  6. Redwine4all

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    I think we need to own up to the fact that Tannehill is not the answer. He's not that good. I remember it was 3rd and 1 and I had ZERO confidence that we'd convert it...and we didnt'. I don't care what his QB rating is, he doesn't strike fear in any defense and he doesn't inspire this offense to be better than it is. Look at Mahomes in KC, look at Darnold (who, IMO, showed he is going to be MUCH MUCH better than we can even hope Tannehill is)...

    We have to stop playing footsies...we have to either trade, sign, or draft a QB this offseason. We can't allow this to continue.
     
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  7. Redwine4all

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    If the SB is the goal, RT cannot be part of the equation. He won't get us anywhere clear to the SB. A good team today would have crushed us. KC would have beaten us by 30. Jax would have beaten us 3 TDs.

    The single biggest quest for this team is finding a QB and someone to replace McMillan, who sucks as bad as any starting LB in the NFL.
     
  8. texanphinatic

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    It wouldn't be surprising if indeed Gase was holding back the playbook a bit, especially in the second half. On one hand, I would have liked to see the team give the Jests a NE style beatdown, but I also appreciating having some surprises ready for a limping Raiders team (anyone else feel that team is WAY overvalued?) and then the NE showdown.
     
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  9. Nappy Roots

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    I disagree completely. I saw a Adam Gase calling plays because he didn’t like what he saw from the OL and from Tannehill today. Lots of short, quick passes, WR screens Etc. Last week was a different story. Last week was one of the best games I’ve seen from Gase and Tannehill, intermediate and deep. Tannehill was off today, badly, and Gase was trying to get the ball out of his hands as soon as possible. And it turned into exactly what we needed with this defense. Don’t make any mistakes in the passing game, and make the passing game an extension of your running game. 100% change from last week. Thought that was great coaching honestly. I expect to see more first week offense against the raiders.
     
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  10. slickj101

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    9-1 in his last 10 games as a starter..
     
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  11. Nappy Roots

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    He continues to be bad in money downs. It is what it is. Last week was a good game passing, except for money downs. If you’re going to be more of a game manager, then you need to be good on money downs. Period. He never has.
     
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  12. Phil Hutchings

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    I must admit, I’ve never been convinced by Tannehill.

    OK, he was never going to be Dan Marino, but he always gives the impression that he is one play away from a mistake.

    But Gase obviously has faith in him, and that’s all that matters.
     
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  13. 407PhinFan

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    Welcome! I think a lot of folks weren't optimistic following our pre-season showings. Our defense was very vanilla, and now Burke is disguising things and wreaking all sorts of havoc on the opposing offensive lines. Minkah has shown tons of promise in both the run and pass game - He's been a lockdown corner and he brings the wood when he tackles the opposing RBs. I've been really, really impressed with him. What Nick Saban said about his attention to detail and preparation has definitely shown up in the games so far.
     
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  14. 407PhinFan

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    I don't think that using more short passing should be a cause for concern. In fact, with the quality of our OL play hitting a lot of those quick passes are the key to connecting downfield, and opening up our run game. Things like WR screens, slants, drags and curls are designed to make the defense play closer to the LOS, and make them commit more guys to the zone. The more people they have to drop back in coverage, and the closer those people are to the LOS to start the play, the more opportunities we have for our fast receivers to take the top off the defense and slip behind their man.

    We also need them to respect the passing game so that we open up room on the ground.
     
  15. Phil Hutchings

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    Thanks, KF.

    I know the Dolphins have a lot of support over here, probably most from around the time I started following them, so I’m not surprised that there are a lot from the UK on here.
     
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  16. bigballa2102

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    I was going to wait until after the raiders game to accurately give an opinion but i will throw 2 cents in:

    First we are 2-0 AND FIRST IN THE AFCE!!!! been waiting awhile to say that.

    Secondly we played 2 really bad teams and the AFCE looks like its going to come to us beating the pats for the AFCE title. RT had some decent throws yesterday the td pass was good and i don't remember what quarter it was but he hit amendola on a cross route after he stepped up in the pocket which i thought was really good, but his lack of vision and lack of know how is really killing this team when it counts he holds the ball to long, we can sit here and say its the O-line, but its the same o-line who gave him enough protection to throw the TD and get the RB a solid day. His 3rd down decisions are that of a rookie quick get it out and let someone else do it. 3rd and 8 and you throw an immediate swing pass without even looking down field is the same thing i have seen for the past 4 years. The deep ball is 100% on him it was horrible and cost us a score, Wilson was running a seam rout you could easily see the safety roll to the right of the field i think to help with stills. the middle of the field was wide open, there was no need to throw the ball to the outside shoulder sideline. just 100% bad. but it is game 2 and those things should be easily corrected which is why i was going to give it 3 games.

    In all i thought the D was absolutely great until we started the second half and going 3 n outs all day. we cannot play 1 half of football and expect to win. we have a favorable schedule its looking like and this could be great record wise, but i still do not think this team is anywhere in the ball park to beat back to back good teams. these next 3 games will probably be a coming out party or just another hyped up team let down.

    Just happy i can say we are in the lead at 2-0 :)
     
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  17. Phil Hutchings

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    Thank you.

    So was Saban Mink's college coach?

    And how is Raekwon McMillan doing after missing last season?
     
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  18. 407PhinFan

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    McMillan is struggling so far, but it's a tough job for a rookie LB to transition to the NFL. There has been some good, some bad, and some ugly - Example of the ugly being the TD catch we gave up to Bilal Powell yesterday - That was McMillan playing that coverage about as bad as you could. Give him time, I don't think he can be fairly evaluated until we're in the back end of the season at the earliest.

    Mink went to Alabama and it shows in his skills and preparation. He's very cerebral, especially for a rookie.

    To those calling for a switch from Tannehill - I don't think anyone is willing to argue that he's a top 5 QB right now, but similarly I don't think you could say he's worse than 15th, at worst. He has been good enough to win, and elevated us over a tough Jets D today. To me, he has executed on most plays. The deep shot was something we'd have liked to have, but he had no room to step up in the pocket to deliver that ball, and ultimately missed a really fast guy by about a foot. Those are low percentage plays no matter who you are. If he could have taken a little off of it, it's probably a completion - But that might have let the DB back into the play. The guy is fresh off a huge layover, and he's played pretty well thus far - Give him some time to re-acclimate to the NFL, and don't be surprised if he isn't playing like a top 10, possibly even a top 5 QB by the end of the season if our line play solidifies a bit.
     
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  19. Galant

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    Lots has been said already so my take in brief is:

    Very encouraging to see a D that performed in all aspects of the game and was resilient enough to hold up the entire game.

    Tackling remains an issue though. I want to say it's improving but I still get nervous on opposition run plays. The Jets run yardage was low in the end so maybe I'm just overly sensitive to it but I'm not convinced yet particularly with the linebackers.

    Offensive line looked great at times and not at others. It may not be great but it needs to at least remain serviceable. I'd prioritise bringing in a vet or trade if possible. Another injury and we've got major problems.

    Still not happy with the short yardage screens being so frequent, especially on 3rd downs.

    But in the later games I was really happy to see Tannehill running with the ball. I'd rather not see him run vertically a lot but I truly believe this offense is on a different level when he is a run threat (either for downs or to extend the play). I want to see him moving every game.
     
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  20. KeyFin

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    We usually save an extra wrinkle on offense for the NE game so that's nothing new. The difference this season is the offensive line and how much it changed from week one to week two by swapping one player. Hopefully they get their act together moving forward and we can write this past week off to a determined Jets front four. Hopefully Tannehill relaxes a little and plays smarter as well. I think these are minor adjustments that we can make the next two weeks as we prepare for the AFC East showdown.

    The good news is that we should topple the Raiders, and if we can find a way to win in Gilette then we're going to control the division for most of the season. It's going to be an exciting year if we can take the next two!
     
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  21. Fin-O

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    Tannehill is fine folks..

    Road divisional game Versus a team that was getting pressure and has an exceptional secondary I really didn’t expect him to light it up.

    He didn’t play a good game, he didn’t play a bad game he had an average performance that wasn’t detrimental to the results.

    Sometimes that all you need to do.

    Everybody wants THAT Qb who comes out every week throwing balls down the field and making plays. Ryan is a system QB who can occasionally look really really good.

    He plays well within the system Gase runs, outside of an elite guy that’s the best we could hope for.

    I would however like to see this team spend a high pick on a quarterback next year, Let him sit learn the system and turn him loose. Hopefully it’s a guy like Mahomes or Cousins we can find.

    As of today we are 2-0 And the offense Has yet to find it’s stride.

    *****ing about a QB who we already know what he is every week is getting tiresome to hear.
     
  22. Surfs Up 99

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    I definitely can't defend RT and average play yesterday. He certainly regressed from game 1. Not defending it, but I can sort of understand that he is a little rusty when it comes to live game action. That said, I think we all expect improvement next week. I don't know if he will ever progress to the elite level, but he's all we got at the moment. My hope is one day we get a guy who is a truck (guy who makes things happen) and not a trailer (needs others to make things happen) like RT.
     
  23. KeyFin

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    Two words for you- Luke Falk! It's the guy Gase wanted to groom all along and we got him for free.

    I agree with you though; even though RT looked shaky at times yesterday, he also made a lot of big plays. It's just tough seeing his incredible potential at times and then a painful mental error. I do think we have to be critical though because I guarantee you Adam Gase is. Heck, Tannehill even refused to praise himself in the post-game interviews...he stuck to the narrative that he still has a lot of work to do cleaning things up. And that's exactly what you want to hear from a winning team.

    Plain and simple, we could have easily dropped 50 on the Jets yesterday if we executed properly. And while it didn't matter in getting the W, it will matter come December when we're preparing for the playoffs. It's awesome that they're sweating the small stuff now and focused on improving quickly.
     
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  24. Phil Hutchings

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    Thanks for the reply.

    Missing a whole season, as McMillan did, is bound to have an effect on a young man. I’m sure he is still feeling his way back to full fitness and I’ve no doubt that the knee injury is still in the back of his mind.
     
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  25. KeyFin

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    Don't be confused....his premiere will come in two weeks against the Pats. I wouldn't be shocked if we gave Parker another week off and then came out in week 4 with Parker, Gisecki, Amendola and Stills as our four targets. That's the whole reason we're tying in the WildCat with Wilson...we have tons of talent and it's hard to get them all on the field at once.

    How can you bench Wilson or Grant? The simple answer is, "You don't." You just find creative ways to blend them in with our other studs.

    Can you imagine us going 4 wide with Parker, Grant, Wilson and Stills? Someone will have single coverage and that person is going to be wide open for the bomb all day long. Speed kills and we have it in spades.
     
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  26. Fin-O

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    Performances like that are why he is such a polarizing figure

    It wasn’t bad but it wasn’t inspiring nor was he a big reason we won. But he wasn’t a reason we lost. He doesn’t need to be that QB....we have like a 33-18 (or something) record in games Ryan has thrown less than 30 times. That say’s He plays well within the system and when we run the ball well we can certainly certainly win games with RT.

    I said 2-3 years ago, the best I. Hoping for is an Alex Smith in KC, who despite the narratives played pretty damn well within Reid’s system.
     
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  27. Irishman

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    I agree, except for the need to use a high draft pick on a QB.

    I'm not against getting an exceptional QB, I think we should always be looking for exceptional talent at all our positions, but I know that historically, many if not most high draft pick QB's don't make it far in the NFL. On the other hand, some of the best QB's were later round or UDFA's i.e. Brady, Rodgers and Romo. This means we should be looking at potential future QB's at any location in the draft including UDFA's. When you consider that most good QB's have longer active careers then RB's or receivers, it makes more sense to me to use most of our higher draft picks on the positions with shorter active lifetimes in order to maintain team excellence in more positions.

    There is a need to "get seasoned" to the speed and knowing a coaches playbook almost as well as the coach does. This does not happen overnight. That being the most common situation, why couldn't a lower round draft pick do as well as a high round draft pick when the organizations intent is to groom them for 2 or 3 years before using them extensively. I believe the Dolphins organization has shown the discipline and planning to do just that.
     
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  28. Tin Indian

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    I don't think Tannehill is ever going to be the guy that puts up big gaudy numbers and I don't think Gase's offense is designed to do that anyway. Gase likes to run short high percentage passes with a strong running game and chip away. Then when the situation is right he likes to strike downfield. And yeah I'm tired of the constant complaining about him too, As has been pointed out he is 9-1 in his last 10, would you guys rather we have Cutler again like last year? Relax and lets ride this train as long as we can!
     
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  29. danmarino

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    I knew RT would get slammed by some here for the over throw and sack/strip and a few other missed passes.

    Kindly please tune into around the 6:30 minute mark in the 4th quarter of the Pats vs Jags game.

    Brady overthrew a wide open receiver. He was strip sacked and missed badly on a dump off screen pass to (I believe) Edelman.

    RT didn’t have his best game throwing yesterday. However, no INT’s with 2 TD’s, the team is 2-0, and some people still want him gone. Unbelievable.... And mostly funny. I like clowns... they make me laugh. Please keep making me laugh.
     
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  30. djphinfan

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    We absolutely need him to be a threat with his legs, folks who are scared for him to be that, or don’t think it’s a big deal, are playing to lose..

    Now we need to see him run on his own to, and Gase needs to get this guy on the hoof much more than he is..remember he’s just as good throwing from both sides.
     
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    I think that alot of people here don't watch other teams play, did you watch Smith play yesterday, Brady when he's not protected,Eli without protection.
    Funny Sitton goes down and suddenly RT is not good enough to win even though the team is winning.
    All the star QBs have good protection, Wilson's QB rate when under pressure is around 13 and he's elite at least according to DJ.
     
  32. texanphinatic

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    Has almost half dozen rings. It is what it is. Tannehill is not Brady. Brady is not Tannehill. People will simply not be convinced until THill puts together a good postseason resume. Until then, it just perpetually feels like we are on a seesaw with him. Big ups, big downs sandwiching mostly ok but rarely great play. It is legitimate to criticize any player, but when that player hasn't really won anything, it is up to them to convince us otherwise.

    I will say I have been mostly encouraged by him this year so far. Concerned about TO's and missing on some big downs, but we are 2-0.
     
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  33. Redwine4all

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    Exactly.
    Yes....criticizing RT is nearly as hilarious as comparing him to Tom Brady.
     
  34. Phil Hutchings

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    I’ve just been looking at the standings, and there are only seven teams - Dolphins, Bengals, Jaguars, Chiefs, Broncos, Buccaneers and the Rams - that have won both games.

    I know this isn’t in any way a pointer to which teams will be in the post-season, but it seems very early to be down to so few 100% teams.

    Am I right?
     
  35. KeyFin

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    That's how I see it as well...he can take all the growing/rebounding time he needs as long as the defense keeps playing like they have been. We don't need a Peyton Manning type QB to compete when you're shutting out opponents in the first half.

    Personally, I'm so critical of Tannehill because I think he could be in that elite conversation someday. That comes from my own playing time though and my interactions with coaches. I can still remember as a freshman in high school there was this one jerk coach who was always screaming at me- I absolutely hated the guy. Our head coach pulled me to the side one day though and said, "He's yelling at you because you're better than most of other players out here. If he stops yelling at you...that's when you need to worry because you're not worth his time anymore." I've looked at criticism as a positive thing ever since.
     
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  36. rafael

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    This isn't about Brady, but the reality that every QB, even elite QBs, miss multiple passes and reads every game. But if he has a good enough team around him, he'll get several opportunities and people will forget or minimize the mistakes. We'll tear Tannehill apart for missing that pass to Wilson, but the rest of the fans will never see that miss. The highlights will just show that TD pass to Derby. That's the perspective most fans have about elite QBs. I would watch the coach's tape on Peyton, one of the smartest QBs in history, and see several wide open receivers he'd miss every game. Some b/c he didn't see them and some b/c they were bad passes. But most people don't see that. When I'd do the same with Tannehill, I noticed that he didn't see or failed to pull the trigger on opportunities too often, but his percentage of bad passes compared very favorably with the best in the game. He is as consistent and accurate as most any QB. (Brees, Matt Ryan and Brady are generally the most consistently accurate QBs. Tannehill was just behind them and more consistently accurate than guys like Luck, Wilson and Big Ben). But IMO Tannehill missed too many reads. I believe that will come with experience in one system. I generally find that QBs improve greatly in year 3 and 5 in a system. I have no idea if Tannehill's injury year on the bench will serve him better or worse than having year 2 on the field. But I fully believe that given enough time in the system that Tannehill will continue to improve his reads and people will recognize how consistently accurate he is.
     
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  37. danmarino

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    Not nearly as funny as not understanding a post and claiming that there was a QB comparison when there wasn’t in order to keep complaining.
     
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  38. danmarino

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    This IS a comparison between Brady and RT:

    RT: 72.5 comp%, 4TD, 2INT, 7.8 Y/A, 104.9 passer rating

    Brady: 67.6 Comp%, 5TD, 1INT, 6.9 Y/A, 104.1 passer rating

    Each has had 79 attempts this year
     
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    If every game was a random coin flip (probability = 50% of winning), then you'd expect 1/2 of all teams to win each week. Over 2 weeks that's (1/2)^2 = 1/4 to win both games (or lose both games), and with 32 teams, 32*1/4 = 8 so since we haven't played the Monday night game this is exactly where you'd expect 2-0 team records to be based on random variation alone.
     
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  40. Surfs Up 99

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    Giving credit where credit is due: IMO, if RT doesn't scramble for those 1st downs, we might not win that game yesterday. It's nice to see that even though he seemed a little off that he fought through it and found a way to help us win. I hope going forward we see more of his assertiveness.

    On a separate give credit where credit is due note: I have to hand it to Tunsil. If I remember correctly, I didn't hear his name called for a penalty. No false starts, no holding calls. Not that he cares, but I have given him crap for his false start and holding penalties, so I am giving him props for a nice job yesterday!! :-)
     
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