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Wake goes off on NFL

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Finatik, Sep 28, 2018.

  1. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Then so be it, they will break those tackles because the’re not being hit or driven in a unfair fashion, and that is fair

    When you say things like qbs are players too tells me we’re talking about two different things here Dark Knight..I’m strictly talking about when a player is in a defenseless position, I think maybe you have to discern what that is for you..

    There is not another player on the field that has to go blind as much as a Qb, not another that puts himself in more vulnerable positions..you must protect them from unnecessary roughness.

    Look at it like this, why should a defender, or you in this case think that hitting a qb or a receiver when they are not looking, is football?
     
  2. Mike8272

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    There's an issue with this line of thought. Let's say I'm a quarterback that's just got the ball in my hands and I'm scanning the right side of the field. Running a stretch route for me is Antonio Brown and I'm locked on that receiver waiting for the right moment to let that ball fly. Unbeknownst to me coming from my blindside is a pass rusher coming at me at full speed who nails me into the ground just after I've released the ball.

    Now in your scenario here, should that defensive player be taking me down when I'm clearly not looking to my left (ie his fault)? Or is that player well within his rights to try and make a play (ie it's my fault if I'm not aware of him)?

    Let's say face it. Anyone that's watched or played football knows pass rushers can come from either side or anywhere. So while you might not be looking, you should know in the back of your mind that they are there.
     
  3. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Yes, absolutely he has the right to tackle the qb, the technique moving forward should be to look to strip the ball while tackling the body. Or if you don’t want to try to strip the ball, then just remove the head from the hit and tackle the body and don’t purposely drive the player into the ground with your body weight..It’s obvious when players try to do that and imo that’s freakin chump BS and should be removed from the game..He’s defenseless for cripes sake and your trying to put all your body weight with momentum on his body as you land..punk BS, think about how unfair that is..it ain’t football, it’s intent to injure..
     
  4. resnor

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    No, they'll break the tackles because they're being given an unfair advantage.

    Just make it two hand touch on the QB.
     
  5. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    I think you'll see defenders just tee off on QBs if they're going to get these ridiculous penalties anyway. You can see the body language of defenders already.
     
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  6. Furious Yellow

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    Where something is rotten
     
  7. cbrad

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    You guys see this? The NFL competition committee apparently agrees that refs should not have called the roughing the passer penalties on Clay Matthews and that the committee clarified interpretation of the rule before Thursday night's game, which saw no roughing the passer penalties. Maybe things will mostly go back to the way they were before, which is good:
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/spor...tinue-this-nfl-sunday/?utm_term=.19ebee853197
     
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  8. Fame

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    I'll wait for you to quote where I said it's "fair to hit a defenseless player in a(n) aggressive nature."

    In the meantime, what you don't seem to be understanding is the fact that the definition of proper tackling technique is changing each year and is not consistent across all positions. It's gotten to a point where the requirements can, in many cases, be physically impossible.

    Driving a player into the ground (as happened to Aaron Rodgers) is quite easy to see and to avoid and should of course be illegal. However, simply wrapping a player up and inadvertently landing on him with your body weight is sometimes impossible to avoid and not inherently dangerous.

    As has been pointed out, it is NOT illegal for a defender to inadvertently land on ANY OTHER BALL-CARRIER without penalty. This is inconsistent. You seem to think that all of these hits involve pile-driving someone into the ground, which is not the case. That egregious method of tackling carries the same penalty as does accidentally tripping and landing on top of the QB with no intent to drive him into the ground.
     
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  9. djphinfan

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    Fame this isn’t rocket science, this whole issue arrived with clay Matthews using his body weight to drive the defenseless player into the ground, if folks didn’t seem him try to do that then their blind, just don’t use the head nor try to drive a player into the ground using your body weight..get over it and figure it out.
     
  10. resnor

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    Guess I'm blind. I didn't think either of the Matthews hits looked like there was any intent to injure when I watched them.

    And the competition committee agrees with that stance.
     
  11. Mike8272

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    Which is why the NFL need to be proactive and try to get the future players at a young age in high schools and colleges rather than go flag happy on existing players. Players like Wake and Matthews have been playing the game a very long time and it is going to be difficult for them to change how they tackle and take players down this late into their careers. It's not impossible but a lot of their tackling and takedowns are instinctual at the speed they are going. So if you've spent your footballing life taking down a QB and using your size and weight to make sure they go down and stay down, to then have to change your technique to ensure your body weight goes off to one side after you hit is a pretty difficult change to make. It also means you need to position and rotate your body differently, and at the speed these players are going it's quite possible some of these defensive players might end up hurting themselves, or even hurting the player they are tackling because they are having to think about "safe tackling technique" rather than tackling.

    For me, the NFL needs to attack this from the grassroots in high school. Get the future generations tackling in what they deem to be a safe manner, so that as the transition in players occurs when these young players replace the old guard, the league will be potentially safe. Whereas trying to change from the top down is going to cause growing pains and possibly will force some players out of the game if they can't successful change what they've been doing for most of their footballing life.

    Don't get me wrong. Player safety is important. We don't want to see players injured due to dirty hits. But at the same time we don't want to watch a physical game go soft and become almost flag football like. If the issue is the hits and them causing injuries, transition them out of the game and ultimately rebrand to flag football. I'm 29 and even I'm beginning to get the impression that the game is going soft when compared to how it used to be when i started watching in my teens. People older than me that saw the 90s, 80s, 70s will likely think in a similar manner because it's not the same physical game. So while player safety is important, the game has always been physical and violent, take that away and it's flag football. The powers that be need to decide what the game is going to be and become, otherwise they'll be stuck in limbo because the changes they make will not necessarily solve the issues they think the game has and some of those changes will water down a game that is beginning to lose viewers and attendees.
     
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  12. djphinfan

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    Anyone watch Vin miller the other nite and how he dealt with the rule ?

    NFL players get over it, watch how the best in the world adapts to the fair rule
     
  13. slickj101

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    Looks like Bruce Arians is here.
     

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