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Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Fame, Oct 1, 2018.

  1. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    One drive, but Luck and the Colts look like Tannehill and the Dolphins did to begin the game last week.
     
  2. cbrad

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    Just makes me sick. Yeah they're losing 14-3 right now.. should be 14-6 if not for hitting the goalpost, but that's two drives down the field by Luck.. our drives were not even worth labeling as drives!
     
  3. shadokp

    shadokp Active Member

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    How is it that every season the Patriots suddenly go from very bad to the best in the league and never let up.
     
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  4. Carmen Cygni

    Carmen Cygni Well-Known Member

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    They run new offensive and defensive schemes every season while also making large weekly adjustments within those schemes for their gameplan according to the opponent. It takes a few games for them to settle in, but once they do, their strategies are superior and ahead of whatever NFL trends are current.

    Belichick sets trends, he doesn't follow them. NE went from a run heavy team with a passing game based off PA in Brady's early years to being one of the first to run full spread. Then once the NFL began to adapt, mimic them, and as defenses grew smaller, they now run the least amount of 11 personnel in the league (which is by far the NFL's most popular package), and currently utilize a 2 back set more than any other team besides San Francisco. And that's just a few, brief offensive examples.
     
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  5. TheHighExhaulted

    TheHighExhaulted Well-Known Member

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    I think Brady has thrown one pass over 10 yards in the air.

    They run the same dump to White every play. Somebody cover him
     
  6. TheHighExhaulted

    TheHighExhaulted Well-Known Member

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    The Colts should cut Luck.
     
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  7. cbrad

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    Too bad there's no other game they can switch too lol.. this one was over even faster than ours. Ahh good times.
     
  8. Fin-O

    Fin-O Initiated Club Member

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    They are masters of the pic-play that’s for sure.
     
  9. Fin-O

    Fin-O Initiated Club Member

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    Yes they should.

    And Miami should sign him.
     
  10. TheHighExhaulted

    TheHighExhaulted Well-Known Member

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    The first TD, Hogan was blocking the guy 5 yards into the end zone before Patterson caught the ball.
     
  11. Carmen Cygni

    Carmen Cygni Well-Known Member

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    They "get away" with it because the utilize it within the rules with rub routes instead of giving the perception of an intentional pick, and they'll also throw to the receiver running the rub if the defender falls off to pursue the supposed target that was initially freed.
     
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  12. cbrad

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    lol I may have spoken too soon. 24-17. Down only by a TD. Go Colts!
     
  13. Carmen Cygni

    Carmen Cygni Well-Known Member

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    Hogan was the point in the bunch, and the block can easily be masked as trying to defeat the press. Brilliant really.
     
  14. TheHighExhaulted

    TheHighExhaulted Well-Known Member

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    What kind of technique was that play before the TD? Edelman catches a screen, the corner beats the blocking WR, the WR grabs him from behind while he hits Edelman and tackles him...Edelman gets a first down.
     
  15. Carmen Cygni

    Carmen Cygni Well-Known Member

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    Don't recall. I'll rewind the game when it's done.

    Edit: It was 2nd down, Edelman didn't get a first, and you're imaging the other things you want to see, but are not there.
     
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  16. Rock Sexton

    Rock Sexton Anti-Homer

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    This is why you can't read box scores.

    They literally had nobody at the WR core until Edelman came back tonight. They also had to break in their rookie RB Sony Michel. They are now imposing their will offensively, which takes the pressure off the defense. Keep in mind they haven't even gotten Josh Gordon rolling yet.

    I'm shocked at how good James White is getting as a utility player.
     
  17. Berezo

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    Funny thing that irritated me here tonight with the pats/colts game is Josh Gordon playing well...not just PLAYING but playing well under BB. Gase gets rid of every problematic player even if they have talent...the Pats sign problematic players and turn them into gold. Just sayin...
     
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  18. Patster1969

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    Are there any good 1st round caliber QB's coming out this year DM?
     
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  19. danmarino

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    @ckparrothead and some others are probably more fit to answer this question, but the following, IMO, are worth a close look.

    In no particular order:

    Shea Patterson- Michigan
    Will Grier- West Virginia
    Justin Herbert- Oregon
    Drew Lock- Missouri

    I like Lock and Patterson a lot.
     
  20. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    Not always. And winning seems to trump anything else. Gordon hadn't won a game in how many years? lol.... I give credit to BB, but I also think Gordon is just happy to be on a good team and he realizes that this is his last shot.

    Also, it's been 2 games. We will see if he holds up. I personally don't see him keeping his nose clean. I could be wrong.
     
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  21. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    There a little guy over at UCF we need to pay real attention to when the time comes.
     
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  22. cbrad

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    Has anyone ever pointed this out before about Tannehill: he is 1-15 in games where he throws more INT's than TD's.

    That stat btw is very unusual (most QB's are a lot better). It's almost a perfect predictor and kind of suggests what needs to happen in games with Tannehill as QB. The only game he won where he threw more INT's than TD's is against the Jets in 2014.
    https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/T/TannRy00/gamelog/
     
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  23. canesz06

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    I'd say Will Grier from West Virginia would be the best qb coming out. Trace McSorley from Penn St. Is pretty good to but kinda short. He's in the mold of Baker Mayfield in my opinion
     
  24. KeyFin

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    Part of me thinks RT will turn out to be a Brees type of player that doesn't thrive until late in his career. But another part of me wonders if things will ever slow down for him in the pocket. Personally, I think part of his problem is bad peripheral vision and that can't be coached or improved over time. That would explain the shocking fumbles, the bad snap handling at times, the poor reaction to pressure, etc. After all, you can't react to what you can't see. I think he just gets surprised in the pocket at times so he plays a little jumpier than normal.

    Maybe it's his hearing instead of the vision...that would be sweet because it's an easy fix. Or maybe it is completely mental. Something is going on though for a rusher to be able to frequently get within one step of him with zero awareness. It sucks because every other part of his game is what you'd expect in a top-5 quarterback. He has the arm with great accuracy. He's a solid runner. He can read the defenses and make good pre-snap decisions. The kid really has it all except for that one intangible that we can't put our fingers on.

    At the same time though, what do you do with a QB like that? He looks like the top QB in the league in practice when people aren't laying him out and he can just play football. Do we really start him five more years hoping for whatever that issue is to correct itself? Do we trade him and hope he doesn't turn into a juggernaut elsewhere? I still believe that he's the guy but I'm not fooled any longer that he just needs time. He definitely needs something else...something we're not seeing.
     
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  25. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Yeah, Key, I agree with all of that.
     
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  26. cbrad

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    ?? Brees was one of the best QB's in the league since year 3, in 2004:
    https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BreeDr00.htm

    And in case you look at that 89.2 in year 4 and think that's not so good, the league average in 2005 was 80.1, and 89.2 got him ranked #10 in passer rating that year. Let's not compare Tannehill to Brees, who is easily a HoF QB and showed he was one of the best fairly early.


    ** note: that claim about league average in 2005 being 80.1 comes from pro-football-reference, which apparently just changed their league averages slightly for all years. I think they changed their definition for something somewhere. That site was down a few days ago I think and they did something I can't put my finger on. Anyway, just a note since I use those stats and there might be a small discrepancy in the future with previous stuff I posted because of that.
    https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/NFL/passing.htm
     
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  27. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    Maybe Brees isn't the best example, but to me he's continually improved year after year...unlike a Rodgers or a Wilson who were always solid. I honestly think Tannehill is more talented than Brees from a physical standpoint and that's what makes him the ultimate tease. He could be the next P. Manning...but something tells me he never will be. And I mean that in a way that's as much of a compliment as possible.
     
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  28. Sceeto

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    This is a tough match up. The Bengals' O is good and can put up points. Dalton has been playing well and the injury bug has crawled up the Dolphins' bunghole. They are a bit banged up as well, but still. Have to get pressure from the front four. The lack of pressure from our end spots has been a total bummer. Maybe this is their week
     
  29. Rock Sexton

    Rock Sexton Anti-Homer

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    Ryan looks great when it's a clean pocket and he has a running game to take the pressure off. It's when the bullets fly, protections break down, and defenses flood the intermediate passing areas that he fails. He's not an instinctual passer and lacks the feel back there that the best have.

    That's stuff that can't be coached - either you have it or you don't. The problem is he gives a lot of people hope with some of the throws he CAN make because they are at times extremely impressive.

    The other thing I want to mention is when I listen to those other QB's in interviews - they sound/exude confidence. I never get that from Tannehill. He's a nice guy and seems likeable, but I don't get the "general" persona from him. In a weird way he reminds me of Rube Baker from Major League 2.
     
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  30. Rock Sexton

    Rock Sexton Anti-Homer

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    I get the feeling that Bill Lazor is going to unload the playbook on the Dolphins.
     
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  31. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I wonder what Daltons game looks like relative to Ryan’s game under Lazor..
     
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  32. Tin Indian

    Tin Indian Rockin' The Bottom End Club Member

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    Tannehill is the least of this teams troubles. Is he a great franchise Qb? No, at least he hasn't shown that and perhaps never will, but he also shown he can win games if he can get a little support.

    If he was behind the line they had in Dallas they would have been talking of him like Dak Prescot. It is a TEAM sport and it takes a team to win. Not just one guy. I really hate fantasy football. Its made many fans pay attention to individual numbers too much.
     
  33. Tin Indian

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    Is that supposed to be a threat or something? LOL
     
  34. Rock Sexton

    Rock Sexton Anti-Homer

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    No it's called "reality" bub.

    That's what happens when facing your former team.
     
  35. Harleydude666

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    Hahahha, yep he’s great. Where did you learn to evaluate talent because if you believe in Thill after today......oh nevermind your posts are a gas
     
  36. Harleydude666

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    Bwaaawaaaa what did you say????? You wanna backtrack that bad boy Bwaaawaaahaaa
     
  37. TheHighExhaulted

    TheHighExhaulted Well-Known Member

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    No.
     
  38. Harleydude666

    Harleydude666 Active Member

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    Haha, and yeah, we should trade Thill for Fitzpatrick. At least our games will be exciting. And he’s a much better QB than Ryan
     
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  39. Ronnie Bass

    Ronnie Bass Luxury Box Luxury Box

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    Fine, I got off the ledge and I hid my shoelaces but I'm not giving up sniffing glue, you're going to have to pry that out of my dead hands.
     
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