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Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Dorfdad, Oct 19, 2018.

  1. Dorfdad

    Dorfdad Well-Known Member

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    what if the Dolphins come out Sunday and play another lights out tough game and roll the Detroit lions with Brock getting 300+ yards again and our offense putting up 30 points again?

    Do you continue to play the hot hand and let Ryan heal up a few more weeks and give Brock a shot at growing and taking over at QB or at least providing an open competition during the season??

    I know a lot of people say no it’s ryans job but many players in the NFL have lost their jobs to backups. Clearly this is a major what if.

    If Brock looks lost and tosses 2 picks and 1 TD for 158 yards were not even discussing it, but what if???
     
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  2. mbsinmisc

    mbsinmisc Season Ticket Holder

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    I stated this in another thread, but I think regardless of position, the best player plays.
    The only exception might be a young QB.
     
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  3. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    For now, Gase says that Tannehill is the starter regardless what happens. We're also pretty sure though that he's going to be out at least two more games. So who knows what happens moving forward if Oz plays really well. I will add this though- I think it's about more than just points and winning. For Brock to keep the starting job, we'll have to continue to move the chains and see smart decisions in the pocket. This will be more about tempo and rhythm than anything.
     
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  4. Unlucky 13

    Unlucky 13 Team Raheem Club Member

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    Regardless of what happens Sunday, rt17 is out Thursday at Houston. Then the team has 10 days to assess before hosting New Jersey.

    If brock goes out and puts up pro bowl level play in both of the games in the next week? Then yeah, he starts vs the jets. But he merely managed the game and let the players around him win it vs Chicago. And that's what I'm hoping for vs Detroit too.
     
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  5. Dorfdad

    Dorfdad Well-Known Member

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    Pretty unfair to say he just managed the game. He made some really crucial throws in 3rd down and made smart decisions to throw the ball away on occasions where others have tried to force it in there.

    He provided a comfortable huddle and seemed in control something I don’t see Ryan being very good at.
     
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  6. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    Well, we almost never win those Thursday night games so it's a huge test for this team in general. I think the Lions will fold under our run game so hopefully Brock doesn't have to do a ton there to earn the W. Houston is the triple threat though- on the road, Thursday night and a team we generally struggle against anyway.

    Anyway, if we do win both then I'd hope there's at least a conversation about Brock starting. At least the next team up after that is the Jets and one of our most winnable games of the season.
     
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  7. Phil Hutchings

    Phil Hutchings Well-Known Member

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    I know this is very much over-simplifying it, but that’s all he has to do.

    Hand the ball off to Frank or Kenyan; pass it to Albert and Kenny and hope that the OLine does its job.
     
  8. Finatik

    Finatik Season Ticket Holder Staff Member Club Member

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    Geez another change the QB thread. Really.
     
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  9. Unlucky 13

    Unlucky 13 Team Raheem Club Member

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    I think the big difference was the ol. They did fantastic in both the run and pass games. Much better than usual. Allowing room to run put the team in short yardage situations, which led to easier passes, and many more conversions. Brock's two turnovers were entirely his fault, and Wilson's td catches were 99% by himself. I'm not upset with brock, he did his job as backup qb. But hes getting far too much credit for everything.
     
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  10. Deus ex dolphin

    Deus ex dolphin Well-Known Member

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    I'm hopeful Brocktober will continue for the next two games, but just like the Fitzmagic we saw to start the season, these things tend to fade quickly.

    As I've said before, Gase has a nice situation in that if Brock plays well (300+ yds, no more than 1 INT to 2+TDs) he can play the 'Tanny is still healing' card and avoid any QB controversy distraction. That should work at least through the upcoming Jets game.

    If Brock was still playing well I'd let him continue to start, but I'd expect Tanny to compete hard for the starting spot. NFL history says that Brock stumbles at some point during the next 2-3 games and goes back to his usual struggling ways. At that point, you put Tanny back in and hope he can find a groove.
     
  11. AGuyNamedAlex

    AGuyNamedAlex Well-Known Member

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    I've been a supporter of Tannehill, but I was also a huge fan of Brock coming out.

    I think in terms of being a guy that needs the right situation he is similar to Alex Smith, who I also wanted us to pursue when he left for KC.

    People seem to forget their was a lot of positive talk from Denver early in his career as well as some success.

    People like to say all he does is make quicker decisions than Tannehill but lacks the physical traits. Even assuming that is true, I'll take it every day of the week. It's one of the most important things a QB can do.

    That said, he needs to EARN the spot. If our offense can consistently move the ball I'd leave him in until further notice.

    I'd like to believe Tannehill is an upgrade when back, but the reality is I don't think he's shown so much to make him the undisputed starter if he is out performed.
     
  12. Dorfdad

    Dorfdad Well-Known Member

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    Not really it’s a serious question if you have a hot QB why change? Do you deep in your fan heart believe Ryan Tannehill will lead this team to a Super Bowl? I don’t believe that so if we have someone doing the job better than why change? Didn’t a backup QB get hot and win the Super Bowl last year?
     
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  13. Pauly

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    I believe Tannehill is more likely to lead the ‘phins to SB win than anyone we’ve had on the roster since Marino retired.
    Having said that I am coming to the belief that Tannehill isn’t a difference maker in that he can’t, for example, carry a bad OL to the SB like Russel Wikson has. Tannehill is good enough to win if the rest of the team is good and hasn’t had key players lost through injury. Basically in the NFL you can’t rely on good health, so we should be looking to find our Pat Mahomes to replace our Alex Smith.
     
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  14. Redwine4all

    Redwine4all Well-Known Member

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    If Tannehill is the undisputed starter, the other QBs must be horrible.
     
  15. Surfs Up 99

    Surfs Up 99 Team Flores & Team Tua

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    I totally agree. I do wonder though if Gase is pushing Tannehill enough. For example, I think if RT played with more urgency and pace then I think it could really benefit his play. There are some tools available to QB's that RT doesn't seem to implement very often. At times, to me, RT seems like a WR playing QB instead of a full fledged QB who utilizes every tool at his disposal to keep defenses off guard.
     
  16. Dorfdad

    Dorfdad Well-Known Member

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    I also believe your probably right that Tannehill is the best we have had since Marino outside Chad Pennington. However good isn’t good enough.

    I don’t feel like Ryan is much of a leader. I know people lead different ways but ai really miss Marino’s fire and desire to win.

    Brady has it, Rodgers has it, Brees has it you can see it in the field they command the team. Ryan just doesn’t have that quaility which we desperately need.
     
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  17. Fame

    Fame Well-Known Member

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    Did anyone actually watch the game?

    I was unfortunately traveling on business Sunday, so naturally I see the score, come here to read about how we played and got so excited about winning with a backup QB who apparently played amazing. Then I watched the game.

    What the heck did you guys watch that I didn't? Brock was captain checkdown all game. Every single person on our team played lights out EXCEPT for Brock, who threw two unbelievably stupid picks and probably should have thrown two more. Gore was unreal. Drake played amazing. Albert Wilson had a career game. Offensive line was dominant. But we're giving Brock Osweiler the credit?

    You want to draft a new QB? Fine. You don't think Tannehill is good enough to win a Super Bowl? Yeah, I get that.

    But Brock Osweiler? Please, no. Tannehill can't come back soon enough.
     
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  18. djphinfan

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    If he wins the next two, which would include revenge on his former team and a rare win for the road team on Thursday nite, then it tells me the team is playing better because of his presence and skills.
     
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  19. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    The number one reason why I never thought Ryan could lead us to a Super Bowl is because I don’t trust him on the road in hostile environments when protection breaks down, That particular skill is going to be tested on the journey and its going to have to work if your going to Raise the Lombardi.
     
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  20. Fin-O

    Fin-O Initiated Club Member

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    If by some miracle we go 2-0 the next 2 and Brock plays well, why the hell would we bench him??
     
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  21. Dorfdad

    Dorfdad Well-Known Member

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    Brady is captain check downtown as well how’s that working out?
     
  22. Nappy Roots

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    Oh yea, Tannehill has been captain check down his entire career except he doesn't get the ball out on time, takes unnecessary sacks and throws stupid picks too. Whens the last time Tannehill threw for 380? I guess it just happen to be everyones career day and has never happened for Tannehill in all his years as a QB....weird...
     
  23. Kud_II

    Kud_II Realist Division

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    You should re title this thread to "WHY NOT US?" I'm feeling optimistic this week.
     
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  24. Fame

    Fame Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, you're right. Brock Osweiler is the next Tom Brady. Why didn't anyone see it until now?
     
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  25. Bumrush

    Bumrush Stable Genius Club Member

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    The INT when Diva didn't fight for the ball wasn't entirely his fault.. The other near pick six was.
     
  26. Unlucky 13

    Unlucky 13 Team Raheem Club Member

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    I'm hoping you'll drop this bs eventually. But you'll probably hate who ever I like in the future also.
     
  27. Surfs Up 99

    Surfs Up 99 Team Flores & Team Tua

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    Not really arguing if BO is captain check down or not, but I do wonder if he is just doing what Gase's offense is designed to do? Hasn't Gase said on numerous occasions that he views those short passes like runs? Doesn't Gase want to dump it off quick and get it into the hands of one of our playmakers and let them get YAC? Note: Right now, I am not advocating for BO to start over RT when he comes back healthy. I am curious to see how BO does today now that the Lions have had time to prepare for him.
     
  28. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    This kind of a silly statement of you really think about it. What quarterback can you really trust in a hostile environment when protection breaks down? If protection breaks down a quarterback is going to do one of three things.
    Force a bad pass and get an INT
    Run for his life
    Get sacked like a bag of groceries

    Even Tom Brady experienced this against Jacksonville...hostile environment and protection broke down...as well against Detroit.

    Some of you tout quarterback so much and you forget the most basic requirement for him to be successful...the offensive line. I repeat this over and over and over again, so much so that sometimes I wonder why I waste my breath. If your offensive line isn’t protecting the quarterback, I don’t care who he is, he’s going to have a horrible day.

    Ask Brady about his season opener this year against “Sacksonville”
     
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  29. KeyFin

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    Every play in the NFL has specific reads and contingencies. The QB looks for A...if that's not there look for B. Option D or E might be a dump off to the RB or scrambling for yardage.

    With Tannehill, here's the thing we don't know. Most passes end up being those dump offs or bombs....it seems like there's no in-between. Is that by design though as a primary read? Is he looking at A, B, C and then finding the RB as the outlet? Is it Gase saying to get the ball to Drake as one of the primary reads just to get positive yardage? Or is Tannehill just struggling to see the first three guys and taking the easy positive play?

    As I've said earlier, I have no dog in this fight and I like both Oz and RT. We do know that Oz is getting through his progressions though while moving in the pocket...and we also know that's RT's biggest weakness. The real question is how much those traits matter when it comes to winning football games- does RT's big arm make up for slower reads?

    So far the answer is no after one game. I am very interested to see how Brock does these next two games though and if we continue to move the chains more efficiently. If that trend stays the same, I'm going to be on team Oz. If it doesn't, then I'm team RT.
     
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  30. Surfs Up 99

    Surfs Up 99 Team Flores & Team Tua

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    You make perfect sense to me. In our take what the defense gives us offense it will be interesting to see what the Lions give Oz. Will they try and cover tight and force our OL to hold their blocks longer and Oz to throw deeper passes?
     
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  31. djphinfan

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    He played well with no turnovers
     
  32. Dorfdad

    Dorfdad Well-Known Member

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    Brock is playing up to his part hes being asked. Now if Gase would expand his playbook we might have a decent QB for the season and possibly something to grow into??
     
  33. djphinfan

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    Hes playing better than Ryan has over two games..we’ll find out if he can sustain
     
  34. Finatik

    Finatik Season Ticket Holder Staff Member Club Member

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    No. Its we already have 4 open replace Tannehill threads. I don't cvare if TH or BO play. But do we need 10 open threads about replacing the QB?
     
  35. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    We know the answer to that already.
     
  36. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    What’s that?
     
  37. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    Whether Brock can sustain. He can't. It's an answered question at this point, not an unknown.
     
  38. djphinfan

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    I’m talking is he better than Ryan in this offense, that’s where I’m at..
     
  39. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    Gotcha. He might be, but that's not saying much. If he pulls a Keenum and does a career year and makes the playoffs, we can have fun with the ride, but I certainly am not counting on him to do anything because historically he is bad. We are basically the week 3 Bucs with Fitzmagic right now, but not even with those numbers.
     
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  40. Unlucky 13

    Unlucky 13 Team Raheem Club Member

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    At that point, we win when he signs a contract with another team as a free agent, and we get a 2020 draft pick as compensation.
     

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