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Gase has no balls!

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by pumpdogs, Nov 25, 2018.

  1. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity

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    But that's my point - that would be a call based on the game. My guess is that Gase is more influenced by bigger picture principles that can be applied to any game, rather than with reference to any one player, or game.
     
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  2. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    I posted this in the Club:

    I'm out.

    Not on the Dolphins but Gase and RT.

    I expressed my opinion of RT a few weeks ago. Up until today I wanted to give Gase another year. Burke too. No more. Get rid of them both. Yes, there are injuries. Yes their QB has been hurt and is (maybe) a bit more than average, but the game should have been won today. Gase turtled up, the defense blew assignments all game long, and RT played like normal...i.e. slow and monotonous.

    There is no urgency or discipline. Urgency and discipline are a coaches responsibility.


    Again...I'm out






    The Colts are not a better team in regards to overall talent. Luck really only does one or two things better than RT. He feels pressure and extends plays. And that's huge in today's NFL. Luck processes what he sees much faster than RT.

    What the Colts are better at is coaching. The Dolphins were out coached and out coached badly. If we switch just coaches the Dolphins win last night.

    I know I blame this on the coaches, but I want a new QB too because RT is just who he is. Extremely talented, but he fails mentally. When the announcers were talking about RT "not feeling the pocket and pressure" they said that's what happens when a QB misses time. However, that's how RT has always been. I always hoped that it would click for him, but he's too ridged. He's too slow when it comes to processing the speed of the game. He never (or rarely) extends plays. He takes sacks needlessly. And to top it off, he's broken. When he threw that ball up for Carroo you could see him wince and not fully extend his arm. The ball floated because he couldn't put much on it. Yes, he was getting hit, but RT used to make those throws when getting hit. I admire him for gutting it out, and he can still make all the short to medium throws, but his arm is gone. I hope for his sake it comes back, but I want it to come back for another team.
     
  3. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity

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    And here it is - Ryan and Gase on that play, and others, as reported by Joe Schad PBP:

    "“We were backed up and coach was trying to get us out of that backed up situation,” Tannehill said. “Of course I understand. I’m a competitor. I want the ball in my hands. I want to make that play. But we’re inside our own 10. Long yardage situation. They had been playing soft coverage, sinking everyone underneath. In those long-yardage situations, the percentages are low. We’re thinking if we can get a block on one guy and make one guy miss there were a couple of situations where we were able to get close on those runs. But as a competitor, it’s tough. You know, you want that ball in your hands.”"

    "Gase was asked why he ran multiple times on third-and-10.

    It was where we are on the field,” Gase said. “What I’m looking to do when managing the game. I mean, we turned it over a little on third and long. The rush is coming in different. The stunts. We haven’t really picked up a whole bunch of stunts with the four-man rush this year. That’s all these guys (the Colts) do.”"

    Those statements in bold are, to me, a pretty clear indication that Gase looks at games, and moments within games, on the basis of wider principles. He has a plan, or principle, for when he's in certain situations (which may or may not be very specific), and then he sticks to that plan. In order to change what he's doing, he'll need data over time that it's wrong. Clearly, he also looks at what defenses are running etc. and factors that in, and he also made a statement about why the run plays haven't worked (not picking up stunts this year). Nevertheless, Gase has a plan, he's running it, and I expect that he'll make most changes on a year by year basis, unless he sees something that is being done right and failing. He's a logic based thinker. A strategist. But how good is he? Who knows, he's learning. Either way, we should expect to see a certain stubbornness in him because he will likely take some time to come to his plans, and he won't throw them away until proven wrong. When that time comes, whether it be in an instant or over years, he'll likely ditch it instantly as proven wrong. If not, he'll work and tweak it, or the players, until he's convinced one way or another.
     
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  4. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    I don't think you'll find an argument from anyone in regards to this post.

    The problem, at least for me, is that Gase is wrong. I understand his line of thinking. I would do exactly what he did if my defense was the 1985 Bears or 2000 Ravens. This defense is nowhere near that and Gase knows it, but he doesn't have a clue what else to do other than play the percentages.

    Gase also needs to teach his o-line how to pick up stunts. From his comments we see that he knows his o-line has failed on that all season...so why not work on it? To me this shows a lack of creativity and coaching ability. Yes, play the percentages SOMETIMES. However, play the PRESENT most of the time. I'm over Gase and Burke can't coach either. Fitz, one of the smartest, most athletic kids in the NFL looked lost yesterday. That's bad coaching.
     
  5. Surfs Up 99

    Surfs Up 99 Team Flores & Team Tua

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    I get what you are saying, but RT is quarterbacking and I am bored to death. At least Jackson brings a little excitement along with those wins.
     
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  6. Surfs Up 99

    Surfs Up 99 Team Flores & Team Tua

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    I think I know what happened. Gase might have thought we only had a couple of minutes left in the 3rd QTR and didn't realize it was the 4th QTR with the game on the line. ;-)
     
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  7. cbrad

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    I'm sure Gase has a strategy, most coaches do. But it's pretty clear it's not based on some fancy statistical analysis.

    First, any decent application of statistics to improve play calling would take into account game context (you'd be an idiot not to). That means at minimum looking at win probability and more importantly adjusting the cost function (how much it "costs" to fail.. say to make a 1st down) as a function of time left in the game. There is NO evidence Gase is taking into account game context with calls like the ones he made in the 4th quarter yesterday (not running out the clock, running on 3rd and long when you NEED a 1st down etc...)

    Second, statistical analysis would update the probabilities of success for different plays called much faster than anything Gase is doing. You don't need 2 2/3 years of well below average offensive (and defensive) production to realize something isn't working! Statistical approaches like adaptive testing would probably adjust faster than most humans would.

    No the guy is just too stubborn and also not smart enough relative to the opposition. AND he's not at all a good offensive coach.. unless of course a QB like an in-prime Peyton Manning falls in his lap. Yeah THEN he can put together a good offense (wonder why? lol).
     
  8. MrPhinn

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    I could not believe what I was seeing. Give your team a effing chance to win! If I had hair, I would've pulled it out!

    1. You don't run it on 3rd down deep in your own territory.
    2. On the road.
    3. With a good QB on the other side who can win the game on a short field.
    4. When all they need is a FG.

    This fool says Tannehill is his man. Yeah, he's a damn liar. He has no faith in him like the rest of us don't. But still TRY TO WIN THE DAMN GAME!!!!!
     
  9. bigballa2102

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    Finally we seen it, i say FINALLY!!!! i was like Dan up in the air on Gase he lost his job and the season, hes horrible yesterdays game was the season pretty much and he just let it slip away. I thought Rt played decent in the first half even though his long ball was lucky as lucky can get but hey its better to be lucky than good. Gase acts like when he has the lead he will just coast to the end with a win and time and time again he gets up and loses it. Didnt RT have 180 yards at half and ended with 204?

    Im done with this team for the year. Indy is a second rate football team and we looked silly against them in the final QTR. Buffalo looked intimidating at home against a horrible Jax team. Minnesota beat a super injury prone packers team barely!!!! and we lost to A-A-ron. This season is now done, i couldn't careless if gase got fired right now RT was his man fought tooth and nail for him and when the game is on the line they let the rb take it. Look at Cleveland they had the wrong guys in the wrong positions and have been playing good football every since they fired HUE and their OC. There is no reason to think we will win 4 of the next 5 and honestly 9-7 should be the final playoff wild card. Too many better football teams have easier schedules than we do, NE needs to win to take over second seed so there is our loss and Minnesota is playing too good. this season was shot one the final buzzer yesterday.

    THANKS GASE AND FRONT OFFICE FOR ANOTHER GREAT YEAR (SARCASM!!!!!!!!!)
     
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  10. Redwine4all

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    Welcome. Its sucks, I know. But the sooner the better.
     
  11. adamprez2003

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    The key part to me in Gase's commentary is him saying that he didn't trust the oline running the ball in that situation because of the Colts defensive alignments and didn't trust our oline passing because they suck at blocking stunts. Well if you don't trust them running or passing then I would have gone play action or rollout rather than a low percentage wr screen. Rollout probably being the call since play action tends to take a bit longer to develop. Doesn't mean that would have worked either but that wr screen is a low percentage play.

    The oline doubt on Case's part is a valid concern. Remember we were without swanson, our starting center and had a reshuffled interior. Still I think you go with a higher percentage play
     
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  12. mlb1399

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    My only surprise is the outrage here. Did you not expect this? We’re Miami. We tease our fan base with hope every year and then get donkey punched by this team.
     
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  13. Surfs Up 99

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    I feel exactly the same way. I am bored with Gase's offense, and RT is a zombie who leaves nothing to be desired. Win or lose, our team lacks the passion and fire I want in a football team!
     
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  14. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    There's outrage because we are fans of this team and have hope each year. Even when that hope has turned to dust for the past 20+ years we will make it anew next season.
     
  15. mlb1399

    mlb1399 Well-Known Member

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    oh I get it. My only point was that we fold every season under every coach and almost every QB. It’s like the movie Ground Hog Day with tiny variations to how we end up with 5-7 wins.
     
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  16. bigballa2102

    bigballa2102 Well-Known Member

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    This is the NFL your success goes only as far as the season your playing, i heard yesterday McCarthy seat is getting warm in GB, seriously he won a Superbowl and i don't know if hes missed the playoffs w a healthy Rodgers except this year when Rodgers is playing with the peanut boy and hot dog girl at key positions and hes still competing (and beat us). Its just how it is. if it doesn't work within a few years you gotta try again. No one gets 5-7 years to turn a team around anymore. Gase is 1 game under 500 there has been nothing special it is time to move on. browns won 200% more games than they did last yr w HUE and they still fired him. Harbough w out the playoffs is gone. Its just simple only in south beach is it lets wait more and more years to see We constantly have bad drafts at key positions. RT, jordan, parker. Its just easy to see. I was on the fence w gase until yesterday he is not a head coach. I was never on RT page and now its coming to light hes not or guy. Its just all simple sometimes i feel some people on this forum could control and run this team better than who actually is some know football and some claim to know football but in all it comes to light faster with everyone than it does in the front office of Miami.
     
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  17. KeyFin

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    Yesterday, when we were up 10 points and Tannehill had a 110+ rating on the day....I had complete faith in him. Because let's be honest here. If he tried to put a drive together through the air and got picked off, it would have led to the exact same conclusion. We gained NOTHING by being ultra conservative so yeah, I thought, "Let the kid rip away."
     
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  18. tirty8

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    Sorry, that is not genius enough. Only the top 1% of Mensa members can even semi-handle the level of brilliance that happened on Sunday.

    Don't try and figure it out. Follow him, and blindly support him.
     
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  19. Surfs Up 99

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    My IQ is only half of what Key's is, and even I can see that it was a damned if you do and damned if you don't situation. Perry's bone headed play put us in a pickle. I think we should have gone for it, but as Key said, I don't think the results would have been different. IMO, all that would have changed is instead of everybody being pissed at Gase this week, we would be pissed at RT for throwing an interception.

    That said, it will be interesting to see how Gase responds to the criticism he has received this week. Personally, I hope his is pissed, and comes out with a super aggressive game plan to shut up his critics. Sure, shove the bat up our ***. I will gladly take the humiliation of saying I was wrong in exchange for a kick *** offensive outing and win against the Bills.

    P.S. I will say this though. If we win, it will really be because of the wearing the throwbacks. We seem to have more energy when we wear them. Just saying... You heard it from me first. ;-)
     
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  20. tirty8

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    Here is where I don't think it is necessarily a, "you're damned if you do, damned if you don't" situation. I think that this has a lot more to do with showing through actions that you believe in your guys. There have been a number of games where coaches have made bold calls (going for 2 and the win) and have wound up rolling snake eyes. I think as fans we go ahead and crucify coaches for losing the game; however, I think that playing for the win sets a great tone in the locker room. You get the, "Hey, the coach believes in us" mindset. Think about the message that Gase sent to his team. Essentially, he said, "I have so little faith in you guys that I am going to run a give-up play on third down because I am so fearful that you guys will turn the ball over." Just imagine the morale of the locker room after that. Reports were that the locker room was tense to say the least after the game, and I understand why.

    This is where it is even more baffling. The whole excuse for Gase has been that he hasn't had his QB. He has made it abundantly clear that Tannehill is his guy. With many of his supporters pounding on the table that it is unfair to evaluate him with a bunch of backups, this was the time to show what he could do with his guy.

    And he didn't even give him a chance.
     
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  21. KeyFin

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    I completely agree- and I used that excuse for Gase often. If RT is the guy, then let him be the guy already. Did you hold back fearing injury? Was the shoulder hurting too bad? If so, then he's not the guy right now....Oz should have been in there gun slinging for the win (I know...that's irony at its finest). We can't play it safe though and ask the fans to wait until 2019- they just won't since we've done that two years in a row.

    I'm interested to see what we do against the Bills as well- will we come out firing (like last week) and keep attacking for 60 minutes? I believe we're the better team...I thought we were better than Cinci and Indy as well though. We just need to play like it in the 4th quarter and stop hoping the other team won't feel like winning.
     
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