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Who's the Next Coach?

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Vertical Limit, Dec 31, 2018.

  1. Agua

    Agua Reality: Try It!

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    Pats' D is trash. I see Grier is interested in taking us the lions / cardinals / Cleveland route to perpetual bottom of the league status.
     
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  2. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    Do you mean Jeff Fischer? Seriously? You think the best man to solve the problems of the most mediocre team of the past decade is the most mediocre head coach in the history of the game?

    I don't care enough about the NFL anymore to really have a horse in this race but Jeff Fischer would be the straw that breaks this camels back.

    I second the Bruce Arians love, although not sure if he's getable. Clear from the Cardinals collapse this year that he wasn't the problem there.
     
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  3. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    I mean, most jobs that are available are available for a reason. Some have rosters with low overal talent. Some have no QB. Some have a roster that turned on a coach. Some have horrific owners. There's always problems.

    Frankly, coming into a spot like Miami, which is likely to see some roster turnover and new direction at QB ... probably is not unattractive. We have some core players. We have some strengths. We will have lower expectations in 2019 than, say, Cleveland. I mean, that is a supposed "hot" team, but with a mess of an owner. What happens if their new coach goes 8-8 next year and Mayfield doesn't leap into the top 8ish QBs. Is there ANY guarantee Haslem doesn't get mad and fire everyone?

    Elway is on his 4th HC in like 5 years now and also has a big question at QB. The Bengals have big questions at QB and a miserable owner. Jets have a huge void on offensive talent and come with a questionable GM and expectations that Darnold take a leap. Bucs ... you want to deal with the dumpster fire of Winston?
     
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  4. KeyFin

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    If anyone watched Indy last night, they're the only team in the NFL with 4 starting linemen taken in the top 40 draft picks. And what did we see? Freaking dominance. Their rookie left guard was pulling around to the right side, clipping the DT and then absolutely laying out the linebacker as the RB came through the hole behind him. The very next play, he pulls and clips a blitzing outside safety before taking the corner's head off on a ridiculous block.

    It's not "hard" to build a great line, but it has to be a continual investment. We took Asiata in 2017 and invested in nothing but veteran talent since then- how has that worked out? I think your 2nd round pick has to be on a lineman every season and you look for guys in that Incognito mold- tough, violent and looking for someone to lay out. Are they friendly, high moral character guys? Are you kidding? You're looking for pit fighters, not social workers. That whole philosophy has to change.

    To the comment that it's hard to find that type of talent, I wholeheartedly disagree. You can find tough, violent blockers up and down college rosters in all three divisions. Bring these guys in and let them compete for a roster spot.
     
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  5. Not So Fast

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    The plan could be just to have a 1 year coach to get through 2019, and then start anew in 2020 with one of the deepest QB classes in a long time.
     
  6. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    Always wary of Patriots coaches. What I would be interested in how a Flores would put their own stamp and personality on the team and not just try to emulate BB. Learn, take in lessons, observe, and then adapt that to yourself. Don't be someone else.

    Got a good look at Patricia in Detroit this year and that's the biggest issue - he's trying so hard to be BB Jr it hurts. From telling reporters not to slouch during a conference (seriously) to running practices in snow with no snow games on the schedule. Like, dude, you can't be a hard *** just for the sake of being a hard ***.

    That said, the Detroit offense took a step back, but the defense WAS coming around the last quarter of the season.
     
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  7. Not So Fast

    Not So Fast Well-Known Member

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    Not to be nit picky, but Asiata was a 5th round pick.
     
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  8. brandon27

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    That's where I see this going. I don't see this job as an attractive one to a quality candidate. Unless it's one with a reputation that can survive a 2-4 win season like Gruden, or a Harbaugh could while you rebuild.

    I kind of feel like that's what Ross was getting at with his "Adam wanted to win now" line. He was pushing for a rebuild plan, and Gase said he wasn't interested. So it's bye-bye Adam. We'll blow it up with or without you. Gase was attracted to this job thinking Tannehill could succeed and he'd win now. He was wrong. His reputation is clearly still in tact if you ask the media, so it's likely he's confident he'll move on elsewhere with an established QB to "fix, or improve" on a team that's in a position to win. Not a super bowl contender likely, but someone that's just closer than we are.

    Almost comes across as Ross was going to clean up the mess with the structure by removing Tannenbaum, and said to Adam, ok, Here's Grier. The solo GM. He's getting the control on the 53 as we rebuild. Are you on board? No? Ok. You're fired.

    All speculation of course on my part, but given the players in this script, would anyone be surprised?
     
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  9. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    It's expectations. Nobody is expecting us to compete for a Super Bowl next year. I think there is a noticeable difference between a rough season like we had under Cameron and a season with a poor record but positives to build upon. Can we develop some younger players? Can we challenge teams and play hard? Can we avoid getting blown out every other week? Do the players respond to the coach? None of that happened under Cameron.

    As for the job itself, it's fine. We have an owner that will give you a few years, a fairly well regarded GM. We have some good pieces. It's a desirable location. It will come with initial low expectations for a coach to start establishing themselves. It will allow them to help choose a QB rather than being forced to work with a, say, Jameis Winston. It's also one of 32 jobs. Granted, some of that may come as what you might consider a "quality candidate" but I see no reason why we can't make a solid choice with a good chance at success.
     
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  10. phinswolverinesrockets

    phinswolverinesrockets If he dies, he dies

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    Let me just get straight to the point.

    The guy i want to take over the Dolphins has coached 5 different quarterbacks to the ProBowl (Michael Vick, Donovan McNabb, Jeff Garcia, Steve Young and Brett Favre). *Notice all these QBs could run.*

    He was the offensive coordinator of a top 10 offense in 2017 without a mobile QB. So, he is versatile.

    He changed up his offense entirely this year and coached a rookie QB with 4.3 speed (Lamar Jackson) to a 6-1 record when other idiots thought he should be a receiver.

    The guy I want is Marty Mornhinweg.

    - I would not tank next season.

    - I would hire Marty as head coach and offensive playcaller.

    - I would see if Todd Bowles is interested in defensive coordinator.

    - I would cut Tannehill and use the savings to build the defense.

    - I would sign Tyrod Taylor in free agency...a veteran, running QB that has made a ProBowl. He should come cheap.

    - I would use rounds 1 and 2 of the draft on the top run blocking offensive linemen available.

    - Finally, I would use round 3 on the best mobile QB in the draft...Trace McSorley.

    Have Marty work his magic with Tyrod and Trace as your running quarterbacks behind the best run blocking offensive line I can assemble. Ground and pound just like what Marty did with Lamar Jackson.

    I'm talking heavy Run-Pass-Option with mobile QBs, 4.4 speed at RB, 4.5 speed at TE, and multiple sub-4.4 speed WRs.

    We would be killing the clock on offense, while helping the defense at the same time.
     
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  11. Not So Fast

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    Looks like Grier is definitely looking for a defensive minded coach.
     
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  12. Tin Indian

    Tin Indian Rockin' The Bottom End Club Member

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    I was just going to post the same thing. Looks like were loading up on DC interviewees.
     
  13. tirty8

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    I think we could be a running team for the time being. QB could be in limbo for a year or so, but even if we don't get our guy this year, once the line is improved, whoever the next guy is will have a significantly better chance of succeeding.

    I would much rather overhaul the line this year in the draft and pass on a QB instead of packaging draft resources to select an overrated QB only to throw him behind our disaster of a line.
     
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  14. tirty8

    tirty8 Well-Known Member

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    We have requested an interview with Vic Fangio. Oooooh, baby!

    We need to gut the d-line. Now would be an ideal time to switch to the 3-4.
     
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  15. AGuyNamedAlex

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    You know, I was going to say isn't he 700 years old but only 56.

    That is a weird offense I have to say.
     
  16. Dolphins1372

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    I like it. Just not the t. Taylor for qb. Rather just have a rook
     
  17. phinswolverinesrockets

    phinswolverinesrockets If he dies, he dies

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    We would be the future. After every 4 years, I would draft another mobile QB...surround them with a top run blocking offensive line, and speed at the skill set positions.
     
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  18. Dolphins1372

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    And with cheap rookie qb. You can stack your team.
     
  19. Quasi

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    Browns, not bucs.
     
  20. phinswolverinesrockets

    phinswolverinesrockets If he dies, he dies

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    Bingo!
     
  21. TheOne

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    I like what you are saying but he went 5-27 as head coach, maybe he's learned.
     
  22. Serpico Jones

    Serpico Jones Well-Known Member

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    Grier is a Parcells disciple so he’ll look to the coaching staffs in New England, Minnesota and New Orleans for our next head coach. I believe it will be Brian Flores.
     
  23. Quasi

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    Thank god you’re not running the team
     
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  24. phinswolverinesrockets

    phinswolverinesrockets If he dies, he dies

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    If I did, we would have drafted Lamar Jackson and been in the playoffs. This entire situation could have been prevented.
     
  25. phinswolverinesrockets

    phinswolverinesrockets If he dies, he dies

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    Have Matt Millen as your GM, and see what your record would be, lol.
     
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  26. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    He's a good coordinator - wouldn't want him as a HC though. He's like the Wade Phillips of offense.
     
  27. Surfs Up 99

    Surfs Up 99 Team Flores & Team Tua

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    FYI: Here's Flores's NFL career history.

    BrianFloresBio.PNG
     
  28. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    I could see giving Marty Mornhinweg an interview. We would need to find a great DC, however. Bowles or Vance Joseph would be a good fit.

    I'd rather have Lincoln Riley, however.

    I'd have to say no to Taylor.

    Trace McSorley's arm makes Pennington's look like Marino's....well, almost. He's not good.

    Lamar is not good.
     
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  29. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    Jackson could not have carried this team to the playoffs. Unless he's able to make the Dolphins' defense as good as the Ravens?
     
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  31. Surfs Up 99

    Surfs Up 99 Team Flores & Team Tua

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    Thanks for the info! He's another one I was hoping would get an interview.
     
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  33. Serpico Jones

    Serpico Jones Well-Known Member

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    This list of coaches is depressing.
     
  34. tirty8

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    So far it has been spotty.

    He has requested interviews with -

    Vic Fangio - love, love, love. I think a graybeard is the way to go. Find someone with the experience needed to put together a quality staff.

    Brian Flores - hate, hate, hate. Patriots coordinators never make it as a HC. I didn't understand the Patricia hiring a year ago. This kinda reminds me of Gase. A younger guy that obviously lacks the experience could struggle to put together a solid staff. Only one year as a coordinator is really scary.

    Mike Munchak - The idea of getting better at the line is a good one, but Munchak flamed out in Tennessee. Miami is a much bigger rebuild. Pass

    Eric Bieniemy - I love that he is an Andy Reid disciple. I respect both Reid and his coaching tree. I worry that having just a year as a coordinator could make him a little green. I think he is definitely worth interviewing, but I wish that he had a little more experience under his belt. I worry that going from Mahomes to a total rebuild may be a tad daunting.

    2-2

    I am a little worried about the start.
     
  35. Surfs Up 99

    Surfs Up 99 Team Flores & Team Tua

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    I'm not worried. He's getting educated.
     
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    don't tell nick satan that NE coordinators make terrible HC or bill o brien.
     
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  37. cbrad

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    Don't think you should judge a general manager in the NFL 2 hours into his job LOL.

    Wait till he hires a HC first. Asking around is not a sign of incompetence.
     
  38. tirty8

    tirty8 Well-Known Member

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    Who judged anyone? It is our first tangible look into his mindset.
     
  39. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    Exactly. If it was my job, I'd interview 20 candidates if possible...maybe even more. And I'd keep interviewing until I found someone I'm in love with.
     
  40. tirty8

    tirty8 Well-Known Member

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    I would like to think that he's not exactly interviewing strangers. He should be at least semi-familiar with the coaches he interviews. Maybe 2 or so that he is unfamiliar with. I'd like to think that if I got my big shot as a GM, I would be hiring someone that I know and am comfortable with.
     
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