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Who's the Next Coach?

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Vertical Limit, Dec 31, 2018.

  1. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    Special teams were the one stand out on the entire year...I wouldn't be against the move IF it's a one-year audition.
     
  2. Dolphin Dundee

    Dolphin Dundee Well-Known Member

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    At least he would be running up and down the sidelines energizing the team instead of sitting down with his coloring book.
     
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  3. AGuyNamedAlex

    AGuyNamedAlex Well-Known Member

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    Has a special teams xoach ever jumped to HC?

    To be honest Id be very skeptical of that move.
     
  4. Dorfdad

    Dorfdad Well-Known Member

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    No im not onboard with this. We need new blood. Rizzi has been opk but nothing special. I dont see any reason to attempt to hire him as a head coach. If he was a DC or Offensive coordinator and was outstanding possible hes neither nor outstanding IMHO.
     
  5. Surfs Up 99

    Surfs Up 99 Team Flores & Team Tua

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    I wish I could listen in on the meeting. I would love to hear what Rizzi thinks we should do and if it is different than what we have been doing. As for who Grier picks it might come down to the whole package and which coaches the candidate can bring with them - if things like that are discussed.
     
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  6. DolfanR

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    John Harbaugh
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    Career: 110ā€“74 (.598)
    Previously, he coached the defensivebacks for the Philadelphia Eagles and served as the Eagles special teams coach for nine years.
     
  7. phinswolverinesrockets

    phinswolverinesrockets If he dies, he dies

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    John Harbaugh
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  8. phinswolverinesrockets

    phinswolverinesrockets If he dies, he dies

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    Ha. Beat me by a minute.
     
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  9. Dorfdad

    Dorfdad Well-Known Member

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    had rizzi ever coached offense or defense?
     
  10. Losferwords

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    Short of 1 of the two Harbaughs this move makes sense... who ever is our next coach is simply going to bridge us through the tank in 2019 and likely 2020.

    All that really matters is we win no more than 3 games next year so we can get that top pick and put ourselves in position for a difference maker at QB.


    Very few coaches are actual difference makers and if we see going with run of the mill, why not take a flier on Rizzi?
     
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  11. brandon27

    brandon27 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    No. He's a lunatic. It won't take long for players to tune him out IMO.

    Give me Fangio, or John Harbaugh
     
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  12. tirty8

    tirty8 Well-Known Member

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    If you take a recent look at the history of the hot coordinator that has a team currently in the playoffs, you find that they often stumble or don't play as well as they usually do. It is a well known fact that coordinators put in hours and hours of preparation. Think about Bieniemy. It seems like everyone wants to interview this guy.

    You know that each team is going to ask how he will fix their roster. Here is the paradox. I am willing to bet that these solid candidates will put in 20+ hrs per team. But if you really think about it, 20 hours is just a taste. I would guess that it would be really difficult to speak at length about something that you are just beginning to understand; however, you should be able to speak at lengths about a staff you are putting together and there strengths.

    Earlier in the week, it was revealed that Rex Ryan is putting a staff together. Believe me, he is not the only one doing this. Right now is a giant game of musical chairs. A lot of guys have lost their jobs and are looking for employment and other guys are looking for promotions. These new candidates seem to fill void, and I imagine that these top tier candidates' phones are ringing off the hook with guys vying for a spot on their staff. Moreover, if a coach is planning on bringing in top tier talent such as Kliff Kingsbury to run the offense for instance, this would be a costly option that would need to be addressed in the interview process. A team like the Cardinals that is notorious for being cheap may balk at this; whereas, Ross seems committed to providing the resources needed for such a coach. Guys like Greg Williams are shrouded in controversy, and would likely require an owner to sign off. Again, some teams may be more willing than others. Consider Ross's history with Bullygate. I would suspect that he may be unwilling to bring in such a candidate. Ultimately, it is better for all parties to hash out a staff in the interview process in order to make sure that a coach's vision and the front office's visions can jell. It would be a heck of a damper if a coach found out after he was hired that some of the members of his staff were vetoed.
     
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  13. AGuyNamedAlex

    AGuyNamedAlex Well-Known Member

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    Fair enough, but is he all?
     
  14. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    And with that being said, very few candidates are going to be interested in starting their HC resume with a losing season when they know it's likely a short-term gig.
     
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  15. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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  16. Deus ex dolphin

    Deus ex dolphin Well-Known Member

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    Rizzi with Todd Bowles at DC and Dirk Koetter as OC? That would give Rizzi a TON of head coach experience to draw upon. Not the worst scenario that could unfold for Miami I guess, but I'd like to know what Rizzi thinks needs to be done at QB among other things.

    I'd be interested in Jay Gruden if he gets fired in the next week or so, I feel like he got the most he could out of some talent poor teams. If Alex doesn't break his leg, they would have won 10-11 games this year.

    Vic Fangio seems like a solid and safer choice. His age is a slight issue, as you are looking at a 5-6 year run if he is successful before he starts to ponder retirement I would think. Still, a 5-6 year solid coaching run would be most welcome at this point.
     
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  17. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    Eh, it's lower pressure. Go to the Jets, Cards or Browns and if you aren't presiding over a significant leap from your second year QB you are already on the hot seat.

    I think it's also a bit pessimistic to say we will be significantly worse than the past two years unless we are clearly angling for a big rebuild, in which case I expect that to be discussed up front between Grier and candidates. For everyone saying we will be better because of the injuries especially ... that still applies. We may not make splashy win-now moves (bringing in older vets on big contracts, resigning middling players to big contracts, paying above average play level, you know - the TBum hallmarks), but we will likely beef up our OL and DL, and may get a better QB under center. And then there is the coaching difference itself.

    And let's say we are angling to rebuild - that won't keep people from taking the job. Most coaches want to build rosters in their image with "their" players. Well, here's a better chance to do that than, say, Tampa foisting Rapist Winston on you.
     
  18. Hooligan

    Hooligan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I agree with the concern about who can Rizzi bring with him as OC and DC. Remember many of these guys are looking for their own HC gig and we're dealing with egos here. Realistically, who can Rizzi get that won't be hesitant to work for somebody that leapfrogged them. How many qualified coordinators will be willing to make lateral moves to work for someone who they might consider unqualified.
     
  19. TheOne

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    I think Lincoln Riley would be a Adam Gase 2.0 hire, he inherited 2 really good QBs from Bob Stoops and let's be honest it was Mayfield and Murray running that offense in Oklahoma much like it was Manning running the offense in Denver under Gase, Riley might be the most overrated hot name out there.
     
  20. bbqpitlover

    bbqpitlover Well-Known Member

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    Im willing to through my hat in the ring, just waiting for the free plane ticket to Miami. LOL
     
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  21. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    Riley pretty much did all the recruiting on Murray - both before he went to A&M and then to lure him out of that program.

    He also needed to teach and coach both Mayfield and Murray up, which he obviously did.

    He did just extend his OU contract though, so probably off the table.
     
  22. Tin Indian

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    I've already been banging the drum on Dirk Koetter as OC. But if Rizzi does somehow get HC gig what you laid out is highly workable.
     
  23. thetylernator

    thetylernator You're as cold as ice, Officer Friendly.

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    It ultimately depends on which direction the franchise wants to go with the culture. We've seen both sides of the coin in terms of HC characteristics: the strategists (Todd Bowles, Joe Philbin, Adam Gase) and the motivators (Tony Sparano, Dan Campbell). Each have their advantages and disadvantages, and neither one is more "right" than the other. Rizzi would certainly qualify as a motivator, but are his connections good enough throughout the league to secure prolific coordinators?

    That being said, Rizzi is a guy who (from what I read) is highly respected, has collegiate HC experience, and has been very successful as a special teams coordinator. It may be his time, but either way, an interview doesn't hurt. He should receive serious consideration. It's also important to remember who is making these decisions; Chris Grier, who began with the Dolphins in 2000 as an area scout, was a holdover through numerous regimes, and has risen all the way to GM via consistent, quality work. He may view Rizzi in a similar light, who has been with the Dolphins since 2010, has been a holdover of several regimes, and has consistently done good work. We'll see!
     
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  24. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    Exactly. When these candidates walk into a room, they want to be able to say, "I will bring this guy from Atlanta, that coordinator from Pittsburgh, plus the line coach from Indy. I'm choosing these people because...bla bla bla." They will be expected to present a complete game-plan how they'll revive the roster and build a powerhouse...the guys that don't come fully loaded will not make it to round two. It's a lot of work but it's also critical to show that you mean business as a leader of the team.
     
  25. AGuyNamedAlex

    AGuyNamedAlex Well-Known Member

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    Honestly I think it is somewhere between the two.

    Even after new hires it takes some time to fill the staff, though you do usually see an influx of already chosen people.

    I'd think they have a generally strong idea and plan, but I'm not sure how final it is. Especially beyond OC and DC.
     
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  26. Surfs Up 99

    Surfs Up 99 Team Flores & Team Tua

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    I posted this back in early December when Coolmax and I were discussing Rizzi. I looked on the Ravens site and noticed that John Harbaugh is strictly the HC. He has a special teams/Associate HC working for him. I wonder what Rizzi would do? My hope is he would be just the HC like Harbough and not take on too much.


     
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  27. Galant

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  29. Brasfin

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    I didnā€™t read the whole thread, so I donā€™t know whatā€™s been said before, but I do hope Rizzi is being seriously considered for the HC position, here are some of my reasons for this:

    1) The last few years weā€™ve gone in every direction- Ex-Super Bowl winning coach (Jimmy Johnson), big shot college head coach (Saban), coaching legendā€™s protege (Sparano and Wannstedt), up-and-coming OC (Philbin and Gase), and so far, nothing has worked. What we really havenā€™t done yet is promote from within. Iā€™m not considering Wannstedt a promotion from within the organization, since he came with JJ.
    2) Rizzi has been with the dolphins since 2009, heā€™s been through 3 coaching changes and likely knows a lot of whatā€™s wrong with the franchise and why past HCs have failed. Also like the fact that he has been in South Florida for nearly a decade and has grown roots there which makes it more likely to try his absolute best to turn this team around.
    3) His ST unit is atop the league every single year since heā€™s been with us, heā€™s been very good at what he does, maybe it can translate to the whole team if he gets the chance.
    4) Neither defensive nor offensive minded HCs have ever been successful in Miami post-Shula, maybe itā€™s time we look at someone from the ST background ala John Harbaugh.
    5) Rizzi is a fiery guy with leadership qualities but who also has a knack for communicating clearly and professionally (ever seen his press conferences?). Seems like these qualities translate to the HC position.

    All in all, I hope he gets a fair shot.
     
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  30. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    Fangio and Bieniemy, IMO, should be the coaches that Grier wants. Especially with Riley extending his contract. I DO think he will be a great HC one day.

    However, and I've always said that I would never want a Pats assistant, I am intrigued by Flores. I'm not sure he has enough experience for HC yet, but I think he would be someone to look at for DC.
     
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  34. Tin Indian

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    I was just about to post this. It is a good read and I encourage everyone to give a look. Gives a good look at who he is and how he goes about his business.
     
  35. Galant

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  36. Surfs Up 99

    Surfs Up 99 Team Flores & Team Tua

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    So...I have been thinking...LOL! I wonder if Rizzi would want to come back in the same role he was in with Gase and pair with Fangio, or Bieniemy, or Richards as the HC? My reasoning is that we might end up with two of the coaches we like instead of just one because if Rizzi becomes HC what are the odds that any of the other candidates will want to join him?
     
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  37. Brasfin

    Brasfin Well-Known Member

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    True, thing is we can't force him onto another coach, it'll have to be merely a suggestion.
     
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  38. Galant

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  39. Nappy Roots

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    Iā€™m going to be honest...all these players coming out in support of Coach Rizzi is really starting to sway my opinion. I prefer a guy that has his finger prints over the entire team, unlike Gase, who only had his finger prints on the offense. This requires good coordinators and can Coach Rizzi bring good ones to Miami would be the big question....but I am really starting to like the idea of him being the guy! Why not?
     
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  40. M1NDCRlME

    M1NDCRlME Fear The Spear

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    Hell yes! I wanted Gruden before the Redskins hired him and we got Gase.
     

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