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Josh Rosen Thread (merged threads)

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Galant, Apr 26, 2019.

  1. AGuyNamedAlex

    AGuyNamedAlex Well-Known Member

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    Most places are reporting hes taken the drama of the situation maturely and well.

    I dont think the guy is the problem people make him out to be.
     
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  2. AGuyNamedAlex

    AGuyNamedAlex Well-Known Member

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    One question I keep seeing:

    If Rosen wasnt our guy last year why now do we like him or want him?

    Answer: Last year he would have cost us much more and we had Tannehill who Gase was comfortable enough with whether you think hes garbage or not.

    This year he cost us almost nothing factoring in all of our moves.

    If you asked me do I want a potential starter on the O-Line or to take a shot at a talented young QB I'd choose the QB every time for our situation.

    Finding a good guard or center or linebacker doesnt matter until we have someone at the very least dependable behind center.
     
  3. Wilkimania

    Wilkimania Well-Known Member

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    I've been pretty vocal in not thinking that Rosen is the answer. Thing is, there is nothing I would love more than to be wrong. Now that Rosen is here, I will give him a shot. I want him to be the guy that helps to lead our team to multiple super bowls and he's talked about in the same vein as Tom Brady by the media in 10-15 years.

    The team even gave themselves some insurance in case it all goes wrong by adding a 2020 2nd rounder.

    Seriously though, if Rosen comes off, think of the situation we'll be in next year with the number of picks we're looking to have.
     
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  4. AGuyNamedAlex

    AGuyNamedAlex Well-Known Member

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    Also if he fails miserably well guess what? Perfect position to nab a QB next year and resources to trade up if needed.

    This is the exact type of chance I love to take on guys. Even if you lose, you arent worse off.
     
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  5. Wilkimania

    Wilkimania Well-Known Member

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    I mean if he fails miserably then we won't need to trade anything because we'll be at #1 like Arizona this year. Then we'll have all those other picks to arm whatever new shiny toy we have.
     
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  6. AGuyNamedAlex

    AGuyNamedAlex Well-Known Member

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    Probably true, I was just taking into account that mediocrity would be a failure too.
     
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  7. Surfs Up 99

    Surfs Up 99 Team Flores & Team Tua

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    ^^THIS^^

    I will also add that I think Flores is the perfect HC for him right now. Tough love, baby!

    Things I like:
    nice NFL size
    quick release (compared to Dan Marino*)
    smarts!
    Fitzpatrick (another smart guy) in the QB room
    ball placement and accuracy
    our coaching staff because I think they can help him
    how much $$$ he ISN'T going to cost us
    will probably play behind Fitzpatrick (watch and learn) until he is ready

    Things I don't like:
    lacks intangibles (compared to Jay Cutler*)
    Timing? Is he late with his throws? Slow processing of defense? Unprepared?
    rumored poor attitude when things don't go his way

    *Lindy's 2018 Draft Magizine

    How about you? Anything you like or dislike?
     
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  8. byroan

    byroan Giggity Staff Member Administrator Luxury Box

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    Great to see you back around!
     
  9. The G Man

    The G Man Git 'r doooonnne!!!

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    I like that his is the prototypical pocket passer with a great arm and throws a nice ball.
    I like that he's coming in with a chip on his shoulder and has something to prove.
    I like that he's been mentored by and is a good friend of Aaron Rodgers.
    I like that he went through a difficult situation last year and hopefully learned a lot from it.
    I like that we got him at a decent cost draftwise and he will cost next to nothing over the next 2-3 years.
    And, I really like that he's excited about the opportunity to be the starting QB for the Miami Dolphins.
     
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  10. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity

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  11. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    Next year there are five potential franchise QBs and at least three others that show skills. It's going to be a better version of the 2018 draft. Why are we throwing away impact draft picks on long shot QBs?

    Do we really think the Cardinals who spent a first on Rosen only last year don't know what they're doing? I mean seriously, how many QBs drafted in the first round have been dumped after only one season? I literally can't think of one. And then apparently even if you believe the Cards don't have a clue, doesnt the fact that no one else is interested in Rosen set off any kind of red flags?

    I have to agree with texphinatic and 2 cents, this is one of the dumbest trades I have ever seen. We could've taken a roll of the dice for a fifth probably or a sixth. To waste a 2nd on a likely future waiver is amateur hour. The Jets got a pass rush beast in Jacqui Polite with their 2nd. The Bills got the best Guard in the draft in Cody Ford, the Patriots got one of the best cornerbacks in the draft in Joejuan Williams. We threw ours away when we didn't need to for a player that will probably be waived next year. This is not how you build a team
     
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  12. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    With you 100%. Loved the kid coming out last year, thought he was the top guy in the 2018 draft (but MAN did Mayfield blow up!). Something's different in the film I watched for the 2018 Cardinals compared to the 2017 Bruins...he's confused more often. He's slow transferring through reads it seems. I don't know if it's the speed of the NFL game, or a difference in passing game concepts, or both, but he's definitely late on throws because of it. Caveat: when he has time and his targets actually get separation, he's deadly. His arm talent looks legit...his release is great...hits deep passes VERY clean and has no hesitation to launch 'em. He also had some VERY good jump-ball / come-backer type passes last year.

    I've been hearing talk about a lack of leadership from him...but winning cures that. Being a leader and losing only alienates the team, unless you're proven (re: Tannehill). He's cocky, but was SUPER cocky coming out of college...hopefully he's at a good balance after last year and this off-season's happenings.

    If he's malleable, carries that chip properly, and doesn't piss everybody off, I think he'll be outstanding.

    Edit: Also throws well on the move, and from various release angles/points.
     
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  13. Striking

    Striking Junior Member

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    Thank you inFINSible. It is a pleasure to read an honest opinion. What I know is the Dolphins traded for a player with the talent value equal to or greater than what they gave up in draft compensation. They did their due diligence, found the player to be someone they can work with and improve with time, surrounding talent, and scheme. Add in that he's a QB, a position we have been dying to have filled since Marino, what more can a fan want? Rosen may start for us week 1, that's exciting and a reason to watch some games this year for me.
     
  14. jdallen1222

    jdallen1222 Well-Known Member

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  15. Wilkimania

    Wilkimania Well-Known Member

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    How good would Rosen have to be this year for you to not want to draft another QB in 2020?
     
  16. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    Those complaining are out of their freaking minds. We traded a 2nd rounder for two 2nd rounders and a 4th, then traded this year's new 2nd and next year's 5th for Rosen. At the end of the day, we have to wait 12 months to take our 2nd rounder and we traded a 5th for a 4th. So that's what Rosen cost us- it was an overall net gain without even considering the player himself.

    Then add in that Rosen is one of the most contract friendly QB's in the entire league for the next two seasons (3 with the 5th year option) and there is literally zero risk in this move. If he doesn't develop we lose nothing. If he does develop we got the steal of the century.

    More importantly, I am officially excited for 2019 once again! As long as we keep drafting folks in the trenches, we legit have a shot at a solid season with a young stud QB.
     
  17. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    Honestly, I wouldn't mind wearing an Arizona Rosen jersey at all. If he develops then that only adds insult to injury.
     
  18. Silverphin

    Silverphin Well-Known Member

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    Well, the QB competition will actually be interesting.
     
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  19. ExplosionsInDaSky

    ExplosionsInDaSky Well-Known Member

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    He would have to be able to keep us competitive in games, that feeling of "we got Josh, we have a chance" has to be there. This will be year 2 for him so an improvement should be expected even if he's on a new team. He has to show that he has that "IT" factor. People talk about it, but it's something that you can only see in a player. Tannehill never had "IT". Rosen would have to show that he does for me to say no to a QB in 2020.
     
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  20. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    From what I've read, he's been in training camp the last few weeks working his *** off. No attitude, no pity party, and he's legit trying to make himself a better player. Maybe he washes out completely, and if he does then it costs us nothing (except waiting a year for our 2nd rounder and trading a 5th for a 4th).

    It's a huge net gain no matter how you look at it- no idea how we got two 2nd and a 4th for that early 2nd round pick. That was the trade of the draft so far and set up getting a potential franchise QB for free.
     
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  21. inFINSible

    inFINSible Bad ministrator

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    Hey By, Just hanging around for draft stuff. But it's good to be here again for a minute.
     
  22. inFINSible

    inFINSible Bad ministrator

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    Yes, this. He was good in the red zone last year, so there is a little bit of hope that that is a sign of IT.
     
  23. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    Won’t lie, don’t know a lot about Rosen other than the fact he was on a Greek tragedy of a football team in the Cardinals. Oh how they’ve quickly fallen from grace. The thing is, he was behind an horrible OL in Phoenix much like Tannehill was here.

    I just know he wasn’t given a fair shot and hopefully with the new regime here in Miami, Flores will set him up for success rather than the team’s more recent history.

    If Rosen pans out to be the stud the Cardinals thought he was going to be and is the franchise QB, can you just imagine what we could do with next years 12 draft picks! We could set ourselves up to be a juggernaut for the next decade.

    Fingers crossed
     
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  24. Zigs

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    I believe these issues above are media driven. I have watched several interviews with or about Rosen and I just don't see it. He seems to be a great teammate and very coach-able.
     
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  25. Pauly

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    An NFL passer rating of 100+. That puts him into the top third of QBs. That’s a huge ask considering what he did in Arizona.

    If he posts a passer rating of 85-95 (roughly average) and he has good game film and we win enough games to be too far from the top 5 to trade up. Essentially he QBs us to a playoff spot. I am worried about the OL and DLs not being stout enough for this to happen.

    Stranger things have happened but it’s not something you’d bet your rent money on.
     
  26. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity

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  27. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    Check out around 1:10, that’s telling. Not only did he avoid the sack but kept his eyes downfield to find Fitzgerald.

    Think I’ll be watching more YouTube of Rosen to get more of an idea
     
  28. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    There's really no downside to this. If he doesn't pan out, you lost a low second round pick and a fifth. It's a no-brainer for Miami.
     
  29. Tin Indian

    Tin Indian Rockin' The Bottom End Club Member

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    Well I'm firmly in the wait and see camp. He was my favorite QB in the draft last year not named Baker Mayfield, but last season was a raging dumpster fire in Arizona. How much was his fault I really don't know. I would have preferred to keep the pick and draft as many guys as possible but the reality is we got him for cheap and if these coaches are as good as advertised they should be able to straighten him out.

    I'm really hoping we don't play him much other than mop up duty this year, I don't want him to start. Let him sit on the bench and learn, develop him as much as possible. That worked pretty well for KC and Mahomes, right? Seems to me this guy named Marino didn't start from Day one either. That worked out pretty well too. There is no reason to rush this guy back on the field. None. Fitzpatrick can hold the fort down, we aren't going to compete for much this year anyway. The argument that you need to see what he looks like before the next draft to get Tua doesn't work either. It seems to me that if they were really hot on Tua they would not have made this move. It does put you in position to go after Lawrence in 2021 and that may be what they are thinking.
     
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  30. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    Two draft picks for a team low on talent is not nothing. That's the downside.

    Also, there is no "competition" - Rosen is not being brought in to sit. At most, Fitz will have a game or two starting while Rosen is coached up. Rosen will play and often, the staff needs this season to decide if they flushed draft picks down the toilet or if they feel as good passing on Tua as they felt passing on Haskins.
     
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  31. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    Look at Goffs stats from McVays first year and something similar. It needs to be crystal clear that he is the guy. No more Tannehill "well maybe if we just..." He's got one year to convince people.
     
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  32. AGuyNamedAlex

    AGuyNamedAlex Well-Known Member

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    To add on - I'd be more concerned if he threw a bunch of picks last year. Not that 14 is great but it's not awful.

    Interceptions are a product of boneheaded plays.

    Low completion % can be the product of a dysfunctional offense.
     
  33. mlb1399

    mlb1399 Well-Known Member

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    I like the trade and the draft so far. Clearly Rosen needs some work but well worth the risk of a late 2nd round draft pick.
     
  34. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    This is a Seahawk move. Carroll would have made this move if he did not have Russell Wilson.
     
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  35. Dorfdad

    Dorfdad Well-Known Member

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    Want to see an honest take on Rosen and what went wrong with him in Arizona?

    Check out this Video where he's broken down and this isn't a fluff piece. There are some really good facts / and examples of what he is and isn't and what he's capable of with the right coaching/team.


     
  36. AGuyNamedAlex

    AGuyNamedAlex Well-Known Member

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    Exactly. Let's be honest here, the pick was basically a third at the end of the day.

    I know it's a second obviously, but the end of each round is more or less indistinguishable from the start of the next. There isnt a massive talent drop.

    Example: Is the 32nd pick in the first that mich more valuable than the first pick in the 2nd round? Not really.
     
  37. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    Actually first rounders are because of the 5th controlled year. ;)
     
  38. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    I honestly hope you are right.

    But I think you couldn't be more wrong.. Lol
     
  39. AGuyNamedAlex

    AGuyNamedAlex Well-Known Member

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    Okay yeah contract wise lmao but if hes that good just extend the darn guy right?
     
  40. inFINSible

    inFINSible Bad ministrator

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    If I'm Grier, I'm giving tools to the coaching staff as I'm finding them. Yes we need to fill the box with all the tools they'll need but anytime I'm in position to upgrade a tool, I'm going to replace that old one until that tool can't be upgraded further.
    Doesn't matter what Rosen does this year, short of leading a deep playoff run carrying the entire team on his shoulders, I'm still in on a first round QB next year.
    Why not?
    Keep swinging for the fence, man. Take two a year until you find that one, then take one a year.
     

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