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***The Official 2018-19 NBA Thread***

Discussion in 'Other Sports Forum' started by Boik14, Sep 17, 2018.

  1. sports24/7

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    I think Hunter is way too low, also, on that list. A lot of people have him going 4 to the Lakers.

    As a Heat fan, I'd be ecstatic with White, Culver, or Hunter, but I don't think there's any chance any of them get to 13. I actually think Reddish could fall a little bit, but I'm not sure he'll fall enough. Langford is one of my favorites, for the guys that should be there around 13.

    I said it before, but I think they should be taking a big swing on potential in this draft. I'm sure they can continue to hit doubles finding guys like JRich, Winslow, and Bam (although Bam still could be more if he develops as a shooter), but this team is in dire need of an all-star. Because of that, I'm fine taking a chance on a guy with higher bust potential, but big upside. Bol Bol, Sekou Doumbouya, Kevin Porter, Romeo Langford, and Nassir Little. Maybe Keldon Johnson.

    Rui Hachimura is also interesting, and PJ Washington makes sense on a bunch of levels, but I'm not sure either of those two has the ceiling of the other guys I mentioned.
     
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  2. Boik14

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    Agree with the idea of swinging for the fences especially in the low lottery. High risk carries higher reward in many of those cases.

    One thing i disagree with is DeAndre Hunter. If you want DeMarre Carroll just go trade for him. Imo, that is what Hunter projects to be, a 3 and d wing without much more to offer at this stage. Ive seen people have this delusion that Hunter is going to morph in to Kawhi Leonard and hes simply not as athletic or quick twitch. He needs significant work on his ability to finish, mid range and dribble/drive game.

    I think Reddish still goes top 6...his percentages suck but hes still a baby and jump shooters sometimes take time. He reminds me of Rashard Lewis...you may have to wait a year or 2 but theres real upside.

    I think white could drop some if his athleticism tests as mediocre as i think it will but his court vision will make that a win for someone. Also really like Culver. If the Knicks took him at 3 id be surprised but the Lakers at 4 (assuming nyk go RJ) should take him. Theyve had trouble at the 2 post Kobe and Culver would secure that for a decade imo.
     
  3. sports24/7

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    I think Hunter is better than Carroll, but I do think his ceiling is limited. I think he's a really safe player that's going to be an elite defender who can guard a lot of positions, while still giving you some offense and rebounding. I could see him being a Luol Deng. If you're a team like the Lakers who are looking to win now, and don't necessarily need to gamble on landing a star, I think a guy like Hunter makes a lot of sense.

    I hope you're right about White, but he has skyrocketed up boards since late in conference play. I've seen a lot of Gilbert Arenas comps for him, and that's interesting. I also really like Garland. I think both would be excellent fits for the Heat.

    The guy who I don't understand the love that's he's getting as of late is Brandon Clarke. I know CK is a big fan, and some other Heat fans who's opinions I respect also really like him. I see a low ceiling player that is a poor fit for what the Heat need alongside Bam. He's an undersized 4, that really plays more like a 5. He's probably not going to be a stretch 4 unless he really gets better as a shooter, so while he's a good athlete, that can defend, and can finish around the rim, I think he would be problematic next to another big who isn't going to space the floor.
     
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  4. djphinfan

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    30-1

    Warriors record without Durant and when Steph plays..

    Lol, talk about an indictment.

    That’s the warriors saying fu## you Durant, take your cry baby azz to NYC..

    Draymond is in heaven..

    I dig it, because he’s an ungrateful NBA player..maybe he’ll have a little bit of humility.

    His rings are meaningless if they win this championship..
     
  5. Boik14

    Boik14 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Say wha???

    Durant has never been a baby. Some people didn’t like that he joined GSW...blame Lefail for starting that crap. He saw he wasn’t going to win with stat monsters like Westbrook and Harden who wouldn’t give up the ball on offense to a better offensive player so he left.

    I’ve never heard him act like an arrogant or ungrateful player, certainly not the way many other players do.

    If you don’t want him, we will welcome him in NYC. Best player on the planet (along with Giannis) right now.
     
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  6. GARDENHEAD

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    Do you even pay attention to the NBA? Durant is the biggest jerk out there. I’m too lazy right now to dig up links, but he’s a prick.
     
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  7. GARDENHEAD

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  8. Boik14

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    I pay plenty of attention... But ive seen plenty of bigger jerks then what youre describing.
     
  9. Boik14

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    I’d love to see Zion lash out at the media, particularly espn, for the ridiculous disrespect they’ve been throwing at the pelicans organization and the city as well. Apparently it’s such a ****hole he’d never want to play there and would force himself elsewhere, even though he’s never once said that. It dominated TV for a couple days. Espn blows.
     
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  11. GARDENHEAD

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    I’m just messing with you.

    But even if you disagree, it’s a pretty common criticism of him. It’s not like DJ is on an island making stuff up.
     
  12. GARDENHEAD

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    Excellent rhetorical device. Seriously. Now I look silly cause I can’t disagree.
     
  13. Boik14

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    The stuff youre referring to, ive very rarely heard about durant. And given that the NY media scrutinizes everything and they havent reported it, ilk take that to mean it either isnt severe or is convoluted.

    Well anyway...apologies, the sarcasm wasnt coming through...it is the weekend afterall
     

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  14. BevoPhin

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    Why thank you, sir. I’m practicing for a political career.
     
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  15. GARDENHEAD

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    It’s cool brah!
     
  16. ckparrothead

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    The criticism of Brandon Clarke gives me hope that he'll be available at 13, which would be pretty excellent.
     
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  17. djphinfan

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    i just think he's a whiner..don't think he appreciates the luck of himself being born with the talent he has.

    obviously we saw first hand the disfunction on the team early on where he and draymond were at each other..

    Draymond doesn't like Durant...I think the whole team is sending a message to him with the team being 30 and 1 without him lol..

    like what do you think about that number.? its a crazy number.
     
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  18. djphinfan

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    man Majic went off on Rob Pelinka today...

    called him a backstabber..


    does anyone thing Jeanie Buss and Pelinka are doing the dirty? and thats why she's loyal to him?...I just get that vibe when I see them together.
     
  19. Boik14

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    I dont think theure sending a message to him being 30-1 without him. They were 73-9 just a couple of years ago without him. While the record was crazy to be 30-1 without one of the 2 best players on the planet, that team complements itself in a lot of ways and when KD leaves this offseason thats going to be 30 points a night theyre going to have to come up with. Their remaining big 3 can always score a bit more but what are they going to do at the 3? Igoduala is what, 35?

    Draymond is this generations Rodman..better scorer, not quite as nuts, tremendous effort, but he doesnt like a lot of people i feel like and he talks a lot of ****. Ive never been a fan of him since the whole nut kicking thing. Granted it was against Lebron (who i cant stand) but still.

    As for Kd, i think hes always worked hard as far as improving. He was a really good player coming out who was average at best on defense. Hes become a good defender, a shot blocker who at times in small lineups has been a rim protector, and become the most complete offensive player in the game.
     
  20. GARDENHEAD

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    Dennis Rodman had hops! But yeah, I see the comparison. I grew up a bad boys pistons fan. We didn’t have the Heat when I was a kid. I was 12 and they were the coolest team ever.

    Growing up in the 80s my favorite teams were Canes Football and Bad Boys Pistons. I was truly lucky.
     
  21. ckparrothead

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    I was pretty shocked how much I really liked Isaiah Roby when I started to get into him. That's a highly underrated player.

    I used to be onto Kyle Kuzma a lot a few years ago back around this time, before he was even considered a 1st round pick. I had Kuzma high enough that he'd have been a strong consideration for me at the lottery pick where Miami got Bam Adebayo. Donovan Mitchell and Lauri Marklanen were my favorites.

    Isaiah Roby reminds me of that. His numbers aren't stellar. But Cam Reddish's production and efficiency aren't stellar yet, either. For a guy that you'd be taking because of core skills, athleticism, build, strength, explosiveness, and all that, even though he hasn't QUITE put it all together yet efficiency-wise, hard to get much better than Cam Reddish or Isaiah Roby.

    But I think Dylan Windler is also an interesting guy. Maybe not with the #13 pick.
     
  22. ckparrothead

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    If you want numbers, you don't get better than Brandon Clarke. And it's not just numbers. He was the most dominant player in college basketball excepting perhaps Zion Williamson and maybe Ja Morant.

    But Brandon Clarke happens to also be an excellent athlete. His Combine times and jump measurements showed that. At 6'8" (with shoes) he ran as fast as (3/4 sprint 3.15s vs 3.14s), out-jumped (max vertical 40.5" vs 39.5"), and out-cut (lane agility 10.63s vs. 10.85s) point guard John Wall, who was himself hailed for having an exceptional Combine back in 2010.

    The guy Clarke reminds me of, that I really appreciated a whole lot a few years ago but didn't end up putting on my short list and regret not doing so, is John Collins.

    Clarke is not exactly the same player. They never are. Guys are shorter, longer, thicker, better shooters, etc. But they remind me of one another. They rhyme.

    There was a reluctance to rate Collins high because he was a 'tweener. He was too small to be relied on even as a center (could only play 'small ball' five). He was not in any way, shape, or form a 3 point shooter in college, so he wasn't exactly en vogue as a 'stretch four'.

    But if there were two things you could watch any amount of Wake Forest footage and say about John Collins, it was that the man knows how to SCORE and REBOUND.

    John Collins averaged 25.9 points and 13.3 rebounds per 36 minutes. He was dominant in those areas. He had a 129.6 offensive rating and a 33.3 PER. He had a 0.474 Win Score, which was 2nd in college basketball in 2017.

    Based on what you saw on the tape, was it really all that surprising that two years into his NBA career he's at 23.3 points and 11.7 rebounds per 36 minutes guy? Hell no. If that surprises you, I'm not sure you were paying attention to the right things.

    What I think surprises people is he's added a valid 3 point shot to his game, where NONE existed before. He's 71 of 205 (0.346) in his two year career and he even took 158 attempts this year. That's very Bosh-like.

    But I think that when you really looked at John Collins's core scoring skills, the fact he was a pretty good free throw shooter (about 74% in his best year at Wake), the way he moves and the way he's built, the structure of his shot, the control he had over the ball he had, how he could make jumpers from different spots on the floor, and then you watch his workouts...was it really all THAT shocking he could become a valid shooter?

    Brandon Clarke is 1 inch shorter than John Collins was (6072 without shoes vs. 6082 without shoes), with 3 inches less wing span (6082 vs 6112). He's a little bit lighter (207 lbs vs. 225 lbs). He's a little bit leaner (4.9% body fat vs. 5.5%). All the way around, a little bit smaller.

    But you get back to the two things that John Collins always showed on tape he could do, score and rebound, and that's what you see out of Brandon Clarke. He averages 21.7 points and 11.0 rebounds per 36 minutes. He's got a 138.1 offensive rating, 34.6 PER, a 0.509 Win Score per minute which is 2nd in college basketball behind only Zion Williamson's 0.529.

    And not for nothing but he also does things John Collins never did. He's a better leaper than Collins. He's faster. He cuts better. He's a big time shot blocker (3.95 per 36 minutes) where Collins never was (2.13 blocks per 36). I believe Collins is the only guy out there that averages double-digit points and four blocks per 36 minutes.

    Clarke is a better assists guy (2.39 per 36 vs. 0.70 per 36) and a better steals guy (1.49 per 36 vs. 0.86 per 36) than John Collins was. These don't matter so much because ultimately they're not part of either player's identity, except that they show that Clarke plays smarter, more well-rounded basketball than John Collins did.

    If John Collins was between a 'stretch four' that doesn't shoot 3 pointers and a 'small ball' center not big enough to be relied on full time in that role, then maybe you'd probably say Brandon Clarke is maybe somewhere around that, except a little bit smaller.

    You obviously aren't thinking about him at the five full time, any more than you would Collins, but you might be hesitant about him at a 'small ball' five whereas Collins less so. You have the same issues with Clarke at the four spot as you would Collins, in that he's not got the established 3 point shot. I think there's more versatility to play Clarke at the three whereas you'd not want that for Collins as much. After all, Clarke is a much more agile athlete.

    The big controversy is the 3 point shot. But again, you look at his shot, you look at how he's structured and how he moves, you look at how GOOD he is at making shots from any angle, any spot on the floor, his control of the ball, the fact he shot 69% free throws this year and has been really improving that way, I don't know that it's as big of a projection as some would make of it.

    I mean, Justise Winslow is a 38% shooter from behind the arc, now. He used to air ball anything he didn't make!

    I think in the end, I'm watching these playoffs and I'm watching these small ball lineups, I'm watching guys play the five position that you'd never think go there. Everything is so position-less nowadays that I think if you're getting far too caught up on the positions and the structures and the prototypes, you're losing.

    It's so effing intimidating to watch playoff basketball and see the unbelievable skill and energy that these guys play with. I want a guy I watch on tape that is a phenomenal player whenever I watch, a difference maker, that I think has a shot of playing with those guys that are playing like that.

    Brandon Clarke is UNDENIABLY a high energy, dominant, difference maker when you watch him. You've got to be blind not to see that. There's a reason he comes up just shy of Zion in those efficiency and production markers.
     
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  23. sports24/7

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    I'm just not that high on Clarke, and I think he's not a great fit next to Bam.

    Comparing Clarke to Collins makes some sense, but Collins has become successful because he has developed into a shooter. Clarke could very well develop in that area, but you're gambling that he does that. There were more reasons to believe Collins could develop in that area, than there are for Clarke IMO because you saw glimpses of it with Collins. Collins was also 3 years younger than Clarke will be going into the draft (Collins is currently a full year, almost to the day, younger than Clarke is). If Clarke never develops a jumper, you're left with a solid high-energy 4 off the bench. That's fine, but I don't believe the Heat are in a position to look for a high floor guy, that may not have a realistically high ceiling. They have a roster full of solid players, but are devoid of high level talent. Because of that, I'm gambling on the upside of some of these other guys than playing it safe with a guy like Clarke. And if I am playing it safe, I'd rather go with PJ Washington, who gives you a lot of the same things Clarke does, but already can stretch the floor.
     
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  24. ckparrothead

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    Glimpse.

    Singular.

    You know, since he literally took one three point shot in his two seasons with Wake.

    And missed it.
     
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    I never said anything about shooting 3's. I said glimpses as a shooter. You don't have to take 3's to show glimpses of a jump shot. You also don't have to be a 3 point shooter to space the floor. If you can hit open jumpers, that's a big difference. If Clarke can even do that, he'll be much more valuable.

    Here is an excerpt scouting report from nbadraft.net on Collins:
    With Collins, you could look at him and feel confident that he'll be able to knock down open jump shots, and with his stroke, it wouldn't be unreasonable to see him extend his range. That isn't Clarke's game right now. He's a great finisher around the basket, but his ability to knock down shots is all projection, and it's projection from an older prospect at 22 years old (23 when the season starts). That doesn't mean he can't do it, I just don't think we can assume that this very important part of the game in today's NBA will develop. If we're looking at projections, I'd rather a player with higher upside, personally.
     
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    I love Bam, and I really hope he becomes an all star caliber player, but I don’t think we’re set at any one position to pass on a player for. Having said that I’m with you that we should be looking for a high ceiling player. We need some home grown star power on this team, badly.
     
  27. ckparrothead

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    It's weird that we're suddenly acting like Brandon Clarke doesn't make jump shots.







    Umm, ok.

    The other weird thing that's happening in this thread is this idea taking hold that the Miami Heat are going to pick down at #13 overall and get a player that ISN'T a projection in one way or another, has a fully formed game, and won't need to develop new pieces to add to his game.
     
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  28. ckparrothead

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    This is a hell of an in-depth write-up on Brandon Clarke:

    https://www.thestepien.com/2019/01/18/draft-notes-easy-case-brandon-clarke/

    Talks quite a bit about projecting Clarke's jump shot to the next level.

    And this piece:

    https://theathletic.com/611353/2018...fer-looking-to-resurrect-his-game-at-gonzaga/

    Talks about how during his transfer year at Gonzaga, he spent the year completely reconstructing his jump shot. Totally revamped, he now shows everything you want.

    According to hoop-math.com Brandon Clarke shot 65 of 123 on 2-point jumpers this year.

    Here's an image from part-way through the season, via Synergy Sports, which shows him being 8 of 17 on 2-pointers outside of the paint.

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    Another pretty incredible analysis:

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    And one final chart...

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    This one had him making 55% of his shots from the Yellow area (Short Mid-Range) and 44% of his shots (11 of 25) from the Red area (Long Mid-Range).

    He was apparently 4 of 10 from NBA three point land.
     
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  29. sports24/7

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    At what point did anyone say we'd be getting a fully formed player that didn't need to develop? I said, specifically, if I'm gambling on development, I'd rather do it with a high upside player, and a younger guy with more room to grow.

    Also, posting a handful of jumpshots doesn't mean that's a regular part of his game (I believe he took 20 all season), or that his stroke looks like we should expect it to any time soon. It's flat out one of his biggest question marks. You are entitled to like the guy, and you're certainly not alone in doing so. I, personally just don't see it with him, and I don't think he's the type of player the Heat should be looking at.

    I'm not saying anything controversial, though, with the questions about his offense. Here is ESPN's Jonathan Givony (who ranks him quite highly at 12 overall):
    Here is what Sports Illustrated says:
    The Ringer:
    Bleacher Report (again, they rank him 8, but still have this to say):
     
  30. ckparrothead

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    All of those analysts basically agree that his jump shot is an unknown rather than a known weakness.

    The data suggests that his work reconstructing his jump shot during his transfer year was a success. He raised his free throw percentage significantly from 56.8% to 69.4%. He was 11 of 25 (44%) on long mid-range jumpers. He was 55% on short mid-range jumpers. And he was 40% on NBA three-pointers.

    Additionally, he shows significant touch on runners, which is one reason why he shoots 53% on 2-pointers when he's NOT finishing at the rim. This ability to show touch and ball control on runners has been shown to historically be associated with players who were able to successfully transition to being productive jump shooters.

    That he didn't step out and take more long mid-range jumpers and 3-pointers should hardly be used against him. He played the five position at Gonzaga and was literally the best finisher at the rim in the country. He had the best offensive efficiency of any player in college basketball doing what he did.

    Everyone are entitled to their opinion about the player, of course. But facts are still facts, too. And those facts lean pretty well against the theory that Brandon Clarke is still a poor shooter. Instead, the facts corroborate the theory that Brandon Clarke significantly improved his shooting skills during his transfer year at Gonzaga.
     
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    It's not that he and Bam play the same position (Clarke will play 4 most of the time in the NBA, probably), it's that I don't see how you play these two together in the modern NBA unless one, or both develop the ability to consistently knock down open jumpers. Defensively, it would be great, because both players can guard multiple positions at a high level. Offensively, you'd have some challenges, though.

    When I look at NBA prospects, I try to find players with similar profiles that have thrived. I'm not sure I see one with Clarke. In a perfect world, I think you hope he becomes a more athletic Draymond Green. To get there, though, he'd have to vastly improve as a jump shooter, without any real evidence to suggest that he will. To me, the most realistic comp is someone like Kenneth Faried. They are similar in size, and skill-set. Faried, like Clark, was a statistical dream coming out of college. Faried's offensive limitations kept him from ever really breaking over the hump as a role player, and if Clarke doesn't develop on offense, I think he could suffer the same fate.
     
  32. sports24/7

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    Yes, it's an unknown, which is what I have also been saying. It's a total projection that you'd have to have blind faith in, essentially. Yes, he raised his numbers after working on his shot, but the sample size is awfully small on the jumpers, and the FT%, while improved, is still pretty pedestrian. And I don't think it's unfair to wonder how much more growth you'll get from a guy who'll be 23 years old when the season starts. Again, it could develop, but are you ready to bank on that happening? Personally, I'm not, when I think there are more worthwhile projections out there. With where the Heat currently stand, I'd rather take a bigger risk on a guy with more potential to bust, who also has the potential to be a perennial all-star.

    I also think all of this could unfortunately be moot, as it wouldn't shock me at all to see Riley move this pick for someone like Mike Conley.
     
  33. ckparrothead

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    This is an incorrect characterization.

    There is data supporting him ALREADY possessing an NBA-viable jump shot. He's taken 123 mid-range shots this year and made 65 of them, including 44% of his long mid-range jumpers. The data is there and it's not insignificant. You're just discarding the data because of {{reasons}}.

    You once said there were signs that John Collins could be a jump shooter when he came out. I dare you to find more evidence of John Collins successfully making jump shots at Wake Forest than I've just brought up about Brandon Clarke. It doesn't exist. Hell, John Collins himself acknowledged he didn't even shoot many 3 pointers in HIGH SCHOOL.

    As for 2-point jumpers, hoop-math had Collins draining 69 of 154 on mid-range 2-pointers in his final season at Wake. Take note, that percentage (44.8%) is much lower than Brandon Clarke's (52.8%) in the same category.

    There's no reason to hold one up and say 'there were signs' and then say about the other that it's a 'blind faith' projection.

    When John Collins was drafted by the Hawks, they stated several times that they're going to work extensively with him on his jump shot. Everyone acknowledged there wasn't that much film of him jump shooting at Wake. Just like we're doing now with Clarke.

    I'm not arguing that there weren't signs with Collins. That's the point. There were. Just as there are with Brandon Clarke.

    I'm not sure what sort of perfect prospect you're going to find at #13 overall that won't take any amount of projection about major aspects of his game, but feel free to forward this Zion-like prospect who will fall to #13 overall for us to take.
     
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  34. rafael

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    As a Heat fan, I'm hoping for one of these three Coby White, Cam Reddish or Brandon Clarke in no particular order. I get the impression that Clarke is the only one that's likely to be available.
     
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    I'm not sure if you're reading my posts, when you keep mentioning that I am in any way suggesting there will be someone there at 13 who will be any kind of a "perfect prospect". I've said the opposite multiple times.

    As for Clarke's jumper, I've said my peace. I've provided evidence from several evaluators calling it a question mark. If you want to pretend I'm making some kind of irrational argument because you like the guy, that's fine. As for Clarke's projection vs Collins's. All jumpers aren't created equal. When I watch both of them in college, I came away feeling better about Collins becoming a jump shooter in the NBA than I do Clarke, and apparently so did the people writing the scouting reports. I'm not sure why you keep bringing up 3 point shooting, but if you don't see the difference between a 19 year old prospect with smooth form vs a 22 year old prospect with a clunky shooting motion, that's also fine. We can agree to disagree.
     
  36. ckparrothead

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    Same here. Any of those three would be pretty good, and I doubt Coby or Cam are available when we pick.

    I think we're lucky if Brandon Clarke makes it and that's probably what makes all of this moot, setting aside the point sports24/7 made about Pat Riley trading the pick (which is valid, he does that a lot)

    There's chatter about Clarke even going as high as Phoenix at 6, but also Minnesota may be onto him at 11.

    There's chatter that Rui Hachimura also has a promise from a lottery team and that's why he pulled from the Combine.

    If we're talking about the Zion Williamson, Ja Morant, and R.J. Barrett going in the top 3, and then we're supposing that some other well thought of players like Darius Garland, DeAndre Hunter, and Jarrett Culver go, and then tap in Coby White, Cam Reddish, Brandon Clarke, and Rui Hachimura, that still leaves two more spots before Miami's 13 overall pick.

    And if P.J. Washington goes in one of those two spots, then I'm pretty much fresh out of great ideas, unless some folks agree with me about Isaiah Roby.

    Now all the sudden you've got to look at Sekou Doumbouya, Nassir Little, Bruno Fernando, Romeo Langford, Kevin Porter...and, ugh. I have a hard time getting into those options.

    I like Nassir a little (pun intended).
     
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  37. ckparrothead

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    But you're not saying it's merely a question mark. You think you're agreeing with them, but you're not. In your own words, you said it's a 'blind faith' projection.

    That is incorrect.
     
  38. ckparrothead

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    A little curious why Dylan Windler doesn't get more play.

    He's not sprinter fast but he's got high agility, good max vertical, he's a full 6'7" with 4.5% body fat, and he's as good of a knock-down shooter as you will find in college basketball. His Win Score per minute is behind only Zion Williamson and Brandon Clarke.

    The guy ends up with 40 point games because he drains 43% of his 3 point shots, but he also legit averages double-digit rebounds.

    From what I can see, he basically was that Belmont team's only player and they not only made the tourney, they beat Temple and then came 2 points shy against Maryland in a game where Windler scored 35 points.

    Probably the guy I'd put up there with Nassir Little and Isaiah Roby for my best ideas at #13 overall if all the other guys I mentioned get taken, as I think they will.

    This is the kind of stuff Dylan Windler can do. He's a beautiful shooter. He shot at least 40% on 3-pointers for three consecutive years, 43% in each of his last two years, and was an 85% free throw shooter in his final year. He regularly creates his own shot. You add in 11 rebounds a game, and some of his dribble-drive skills, shooting 74.5% at the rim, on top of all that?

     
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  39. Vertical Limit

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    Juwan Howard finally leaves the Heat - took the Michigan head coaching gig.. we got some talented coaches in south dakota that needs to be called up..
     
  40. phinswolverinesrockets

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    Juwan has some big shoes to fill. Im going to miss coach Beilein at Michigan. That dude coached his a## off. Cavs got a damn good coach.
     

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