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Stills gets dissed

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Finatik, Aug 21, 2019.

  1. TheHighExhaulted

    TheHighExhaulted Well-Known Member

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    I'd trade him for a conditional 5th rounder in a heartbeat.
     
  2. smahtaz

    smahtaz Pimpin Ain't Easy

    Man, I used to love this game. Maybe Mr. Ross can sell his $750M apartment in Manhattan to the dude running the human trafficking ring Mr Kraft uses. Sounds like a win-win.

    Catch y'all later. I'm out.
     
  3. Agua

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    Flores is just trolling him. Can't guys rib each other anymore or does everything have to be so ****ing serious?
     
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  4. Fin D

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    It is a little bizarre that you claim to know nothing about the "movement" but have such strong opinions about it, ftr.
     
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  5. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    CKap and Stills are allowed to be blasted for their opinions and actions around those opinions, but Ross isn't?
     
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  6. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    Okay, but in all that you failed to mention how Stills isn't a team player. For the past two seasons, the Dolphins singled him out as their model player for how professionals should be. They nominated him twice for NFL Man of the Year. What's changed since then?

    This conversation won't go anywhere though with you saying things like, "He needs to know his place." In case you forgot, Kenny Stills is not a slave and he does have the right to his own opinions and free speech, just like you and I do. Being a football player does not void those rights and you really have to join the 21st century on that line of thinking. Athletes are people with the same liberties as every American.

    In case you're not aware, Ross was removed from the racial equality initiative run by NFL current/former players, coaches and executives. This is absolutely a "league issue" because they said it was...and they 100% agreed with Stills. So you're going to have to silence a lot more than just Stills for your viewpoint to be accepted by the NFL.
     
  7. Finatik

    Finatik Season Ticket Holder Staff Member Club Member

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    He is being definate against team management. He spoke out against the owner of the team. He can be NFL Man of the Year last year and malcontent this year.

    And there is it is. Make it all about slavery. Never said that. In fact you conveniently left out the part about being a WR, not the coach, not the owner but a piece on the team. Typical approach. In an earlier post I said he's entitled say it but he's also entitled to the repercussions too. Free speech is not absolute. It's also about the government limiting speech and has very little to do with work place rights. People typically don't understand free speech.

    Uh no he stepped down. Get your facts right.

    Using your analogy Ross was put onto the Racial Equality Initiative because of his work in the community. He founded RISE and has put his money where his mouth was in the black community. Done a lot of good work. So what's changed? Pretty easy. One community didn't like his politics. It had nothing to do with what he's done in the community. Based on your Man of the Year scenario why shouldn't he still be on the REI?. Can't have it both ways unless you only see issues from one side of the spectrum and punish people who you don't agree with, politically speaking. I beiliving in you if you beilive in what I believe in but not if you don't.
     
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  8. GARDENHEAD

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    Wow. You are so enlightened. We are lucky we have you to explain everything to us from the First Amendment to racial equality. I hadn't considered any of these points. Glad you're spending all this time on a sports message board to help me understand these complicated matters.
     
  9. Finatik

    Finatik Season Ticket Holder Staff Member Club Member

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    He asked. But glad I could be of assistance to you.
     
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  10. texanphinatic

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    Did a bunch of responses in here get deleted without notice?
     
  11. Fin-O

    Fin-O Initiated Club Member

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    Stills has a with me or against me mentality......his heart is in the right place and he does incredible work in the community. But he has overstepped his boundary the past couple of weeks.

    Stills is ultimately PAID by the NFL and it's owners, and he criticizes a man who came from REAL struggles for intertwining with the NFL?

    Not hard to see the hypocrisy in that.

    Love ya Kenny, but grow the fk up.
     
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  12. mlb1399

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    I don’t watch football, movies or music to get someone’s political opinion. I go there to be entertained. There’s enough bs political drama in the news, I don’t need it from my teams players. These guys get paid millions to entertain, do your job.
     
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  13. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    All movies and music are political
     
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  14. GARDENHEAD

    GARDENHEAD Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    It is also a political position to feel as though you can enjoy yourself without being political.
     
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  15. KeyFin

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    You've cussed him dozens of times here and twice said "he needs to know his place." What place is that, exactly....if the coach, the GM, the owner, the players union and basically anyone who has anything to do with the NFL didn't take any action?

    You have a problem with Stills...not any of these people you keep naming. Why is that?
     
  16. Finatik

    Finatik Season Ticket Holder Staff Member Club Member

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    Show me the "dozens" of times I've cussed him. I went back through this string and Its been very respectful and a discussion as it should be.

    His place is as a piece of the TEAM not an individual. It's not dissing the owner. Try doing that to YOUR CEO and you will find out quick about free speech rights.

    He did take action. He played Jay Z 6 times to make a point that he's not bigger than the team.

    He disrespects the flag of the United States. You may not see it like that but that's how I see it. Anyone that intentionally sets fire to, spits on, walks on or kneels to show disrespect...F them. They have the right to do that. But F them. Now I cussed them.

    And were not getting into a discussion on why your wrong about this not being about the flag.
     
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  17. Fin D

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    Know your place.
     
  18. Silverphin

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    Just because you benefit from something doesn't mean you can't criticize it. I benefit a lot from living in the U.S., but I still have the right to question and speak out against how the country does things at times.

    (Not being political, just making an example)
     
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  19. Fin-O

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    Agreed. But he was criticizing Jay-Z for his involvement with the NFL......the same NFL that Stills is involved with.

    Stills is just immature like most younger ppl who let social media run their lives, he's not alone, he just has a big platform to display laughable hypocrisy's like he did.
     
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  20. KeyFin

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    How often does the media come to your work and ask you questions about your boss and/or your social views? You act like we all get asked about our CEO daily with millions of people listening in.


    Okay, if you say so....let's pretend the team officially punished him by playing Jay-Z music. Did he learn his lesson or have you read another nonsense news story about Still's opinions?


    Nope, we're not....because Stills didn't even do what your definition just claimed. No modern NFL player has EVER kneeled to show disrespect to the flag. But you'd know that if you didn't have pre-conceived agendas on all of this.

    I'll say this one last time here- a Marine veteran told Kaepernick at a preseason game that soldiers kneel for their fallen and it would be a good idea to do the same for racial injustice. This never had anything to do with the flag until politics became involved...and now that's the lie being thrown around to bash any athlete that protests racial injustice.

    You are certainly entitled to your opinion and I'm not going to reply here anymore since we're headed back towards politics. Don't be that person though that ignores what someone says just to jump on a bandwagon and pretend it's something else entirely- surely you're better than that in 2019. Only a handful of active NFL players have worked harder in their communities to make a difference (JJ Watt, etc.)...Stills doesn't deserve that level of hatred for being a good guy and trying to make a real difference IN ALL COMMUNITIES.

    As I said, the last word here is yours..I'm bowing out gracefully.
     
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  21. ExplosionsInDaSky

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    Cool, Stills gets "dissed', his feelings are hurt. Feelings are not facts. However the fact is....He puts himself and his open opinions out there for things like this to happen. Probably needs to grow up a little bit.
     
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  22. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    Those are interesting emotion based opinions you got there.
     
  23. Silverphin

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    Except he wasn't being hypocritical or immature. He's questioning why Jay-Z is linking up with NFL on a social justice endeavor without reaching out to the players who brought attention to social justice issues, while also saying "oh, we're past the Kaepernick situation".
     
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  24. Fin-O

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    Jay Z has the credentials that SCREAM he doesn't need to reach out to any of those dudes. Frankly they are peons in comparison.

    Also, I'm sure he can call a friend of a friend and get Jay's contact info, just as he could've walked upstairs and talked to Steve Ross.

    But nah......let's make it a media issue to show how "woke" I am....
     
  25. Silverphin

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    He has credentials in a lot of things - football is not one of them. And even then, his status doesn't change the fact that reaching out to the people who started to movement before trying to work with an organization that tried to squash it.
     
  26. Fin-O

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    Disagree. He play's chess.....those NFL dudes play checkers. He has zero reason to ask for their permission.
     
  27. OkiePhin

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    Stills wont be a WR in the NFL forever. He knows he has to make some noise and maybe he can make something of it one day. Maybe be the face of a shoe company.

    If there is a riff, he needs to be traded. Teams they will have trouble trading him to consist of those serious about winning and those close to military communities. I'd be happy to be rid of him.

    Also, I know we aren't supposed to make it political but the team is political, the NFL is political. It's difficult to dance around not being political when it's always news involving our team.
     
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  28. Two Tacos

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    Did you read what Stills said? He was specific.

    "Some of the ways he answered his questions, talking about we're moving past kneeling, like he ever protested. He's not a NFL player. He's never been on a knee," Stills said. "Choosing to speak for the people like he had spoken to the people. ... I wonder how many common people that he knows or has spoken to. I wonder if he's read my Facebook comments or my Instagram comments or some of the things people say to me. To say we're moving past something, it didn't seem very informed."
     
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  29. phinswolverinesrockets

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    Much Respect.
    Flores put it perfectly.
     
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  30. phinswolverinesrockets

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    Absolutely not. Way too low.
     
  31. Finatik

    Finatik Season Ticket Holder Staff Member Club Member

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    I love this guy as a leader.
     
  32. phinswolverinesrockets

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    Flores says he supports the player protests, Stills, and Kap. From your previous posts, I thought you'd hate this response.
     
  33. Galant

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    Having listened to what Flores had to say I'm not sure what to feel about this. He's clearly learned a lesson about how this sort of thing can generate media attention and blow up in his face, and maybe he'll reflect on Belichick's less open approach towards the media and dealing with things more quietly. I think the whole playlist thing was a poor idea. I don't think it's a good way to handle anything really...I could be wrong... maybe this is a good way for a coach to get across the point that if a player is going make noise he needs to remember the team and the football side... I'm not convinced, though. Time will have to tell and see, if possible, whether this generates a good response with Stills and the team.

    I'm at least happy that this doesn't seem to have come from spite. At least, his reasoning sounds plausible, so I'll give Flores the benefit of the doubt.

    I hope that they have a conversation about all this and figure out a happy medium. Personally, I think Stills' approach before the comments about Ross - the get out there and meet people and take action - is and will be far more effective than more media soundbites. I think most of us have reached saturation point for the media furore and debates that ensue. The quiet, hard-working approach is worth way more than a few words rolling around social media. Maybe that shouldn't be the case, but for me, now more than ever, talk is cheap, cheaper than ever. Everyone throws in their two cents (often worth far less than two cents). But a man who takes a real stand, rolls up his sleeves, and gets stuck in? That will always mean a great deal.

    I hope that the Dolphins as an organisation can find a way to do that more, and engage controversy less.
     
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  34. xphinfanx

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    Flores has to go there but he won't be taking a knee next to Kelly on the field. That's the difference kudos Flores.
     
  35. mlb1399

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    Now try that with your employer and see how long you stay employed. Whether you like it or not, when you’re representing your business, you operate by a different standard than when you’re representing yourself personally. The reason Kap can’t find work outside of being a mediocre QB and a team distraction, is it’s bad for business. It’s not worth having as part of your organization.

     
  36. Finatik

    Finatik Season Ticket Holder Staff Member Club Member

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    Flores is challenging his guys. He’s leading. I can separate the two.

    edit: removed some political material.
     
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  37. Silverphin

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    When I'm in a similar type of workplace as the NFL, then we can talk. But I'm not, so....
     
  38. KeyFin

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    The thing is, the average person can't possibly understand what it's like to have the media swarming around you 24/7. Stills walks off the field and they're throwing questions at him. He walks to his car and they're throwing more questions. Sometimes, they catch him around town and throw out ridiculous stuff just to get a reaction...anything...because nobody wants to talk to the media.

    For all we know, a reporter asked, "How do you feel about Jay-Z claiming that you'll no longer kneel?" Or something like, "How do you feel about your boss fundraising for a guy who's been lobbying to have you fired?" Sometimes, that's the only way they know they'll get an answer....they'll throw out something very personal just to get the quote.

    Yet people react like Stills walked up on a podium and gave a speech on why his boss sucks- that CLEARLY didn't happen, but the media portrays it that way because it sensationalizes the story. The truth, however, is that there is no story here at all other than what the media is twisting into one. I promise you that Flores or Ross doesn't hate Stills because he said a brief comment to a reporter....they know better because it's one of the first things they teach you in the NFL.

    The media is not their friend and honestly, it's not ours either. They care about clicks so they keep their jobs...nothing else matters to them in this day and age. Sadly, anyone who hates Stills just got played by the hype machine, which is exactly what the media wants. Because the more you hate someone, the more you'll read their nonsense and believe their agendas.

    The media is basically WWE wrestling these days...it's all show with very little actual substance.
     
  39. Finatik

    Finatik Season Ticket Holder Staff Member Club Member

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    It's never their fault. Always an excuse.

    I totally agree with this.
     
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  40. KeyFin

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    Did I say it wasn't Stills fault? It clearly was....he saw the mousetrap yet still took a nibble of the cheese. Until you're in that situation though where nothing you say is sacred, it's very hard to comprehend how vile the mainstream media can be when chasing a story.
     

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