Rumor: Miami Dolphins interested in trading for Jadeveon Clowney

Texans fans might be okay with letting him go strictly because they'll still have J.J. Watt on their line, who takes over games. I don't think a first round pick is on the table, I mean- we still have to get the guy under contract at some point. Definitely think we're talking about a periphery player (or two) and a low 2nd to 4th round pick from us. In that scenario, I would expect a later 2020 pick or mid-round 2021 pick back from the Texans. I'm absolutely enthralled to see what the exchange we'll actually be when he is traded to whomever.

 

Yeah, IDK...I'm not a good source for info on this but he was always a man among boys in college. I imagine it was even more the case before that. I don't know if he ever really had to work as hard as he could've.

I'm a Clemson alum so I'm not inclined to feel particularly sympathetic towards Gamecocks but still, I always viewed Clowney as the guy who had all the physical measurables but didn't have the real want to and desire to be great. I think he got by on physical prowess for a long time and hit a bit of a wall in the NFL.

I think Miami fans might be looking at the paint job rather than the motor with him, but like I said, IDK. I'm not an expert on the guy. If he comes aboard I would hope Flores has some connection to Romeo Crennel or something through which he feels he understands exactly who Clowney is, what he's going to provide and what Flores can expect.

I'm just a jerk on the internet but I don't really trust Clowney. I expect him to be very average. He can certainly be an asset but I wouldn't move heaven and earth to go get him.

Oh, and nah, the Texans fans I'm talking to just don't like him. They resent him for many of the same reasons we resent Parker. He's a guy who hasn't produced like they hoped he would. It has nothing to do with any other player on that defense.

 

I believe he could be a good fit for the middle of the line. I don't think we would use him as an edge rusher exclusively. He could be a big play maker and fill the center with the defense. Im going to let coach pick his players because like New England on paper some of these guys don't seem to be proper fits but they worked out quite well.

 

I'm alright for paying proven guys at premium positions, as long we keep stocking or preserving our draft picks throughout. We've already a surplus coming for 2020 plus the trade deadline is a long ways away, which gives us time to keep gaining more picks, or recouping anything we would be giving up in this trade. Having draft picks groomed in a successful system and then signing big contracts with other teams is the way to keep recycling compensatory picks and keeps your salary spending under control, it's the teams that spend on like 4 or 5 Clowneys, or overpay a bunch mediocre players (Alonso, Branch, McDonald) that end up in cap hell. Ideally you'd like to have your middling role players on rookie contracts instead with room to spend on a couple big guys (think Stephon Gilmore).

The real question is how NE got players like Hightower, Edelman, and Brady on the cheap (well, we know how the last one gets paid "under the table".)

 

1) I think he did, as well, along with the injury bug. But he's raised his production every year.. he's quick, violent, and strong on tape against NFL competition currently, so the only concern would be the more intangible things.

2) I don't think we necessarily are.

3) Fair enough, I don't have any friends that are Texans fans that can provide any opposing anecdotal evidence.

 

Believe it or not, I read several articles on this topic and Texans fans were weighing in saying almost the exact same thing. They all think he's mega-talented but the work ethic just isn't there to be that generational player. I usually take average fan comments with a grain of salt, but I read the same thing over and over hundreds of times....

Personally, I'd pass on Clowney because of the contract situation- he could easily end up being a $15M one year rental that doesn't deliver any real effort.

 

Come on, dude. We absolutely have the money to franchise him again. Every player knows that they are playing "Press Your Luck" with their future by playing on the tag. The Dolphins will offer him a shipload of cash, and common sense will play out in the end.

 

If we are gonna spend $$$ right now, I would rather us use it on an O-lineman if we can. That said if we do trade for Clowney, a one year rental may be in our best interests. We try him out and if he leaves and signs with another team maybe we would be eligible for a comp pick.

 

PFF has him as a top 10 edge defender even at his current level of effort. Flores may be able to get him to reach his top 5 + potential. That seems like a fairly high floor and an even higher ceiling. And even if he's just a one year rental, we'd be almost assured of getting a 3rd back as a compensatory pick. Rumors have been Stills and a conditional 4th. It seems like anything at a 3rd or later is basically risk free.

 

Getting rid of Stills would be icing on the cake.

 

If he has a good season, then yeah- we will offer a bunch of cash. So will other teams though. The only way I see him staying on a team poised to go 4-12 is if we offer more than anyone else.

And if he has an average or even a bad season, then what? Do we make it rain anyway? Do we say "Bye Felicia" and cut our losses? Or what if he gets injured and we don't get enough of a look at him? This has Dion Jordan 2.0 written all over it for me...only this guy doesn't have the right attitude or work ethic. And I do realize that he's a multi-year Pro-Bowler but that's not the only criteria to build around.

Now, if you want to go with the logic "It's Ross's money so who gives a darn" then yeah, let's sign him and the heck with how it turns out. That's not how teams approach it from a business perspective though.

 

Clowney has proven he belongs in this league though, unlike Dion Jordan. His growth as a player from college, injury rehab, and season-to-season improvement shows he's a hard worker. He might not be a locker room leader, but it's okay if you don't have those from top to bottom.

 

I'm with you.

I'm getting a little sick of him at this point as well. As a player he's hot and cold. He's by no means a dominant force.

And his run-ins with Ross are getting weird. I listened to a few interviews with him last weekend just to kind of give the dude's politics a chance and he didn't come off as a very knowledgeable guy to me. He doesn't really have a cohesive view on anything as far as I can tell. He seemed nice but kind of stupid, like, not someone who should be trying to instigate anything.

Might be time for a new start somewhere else.

 

Is Clowney an alcoholic?

 

I personally applaud Stills for his views but at the end of the day, this has to be a football decision. And if we're being perfectly honest, I could see Williams taking Stills job tomorrow and actually getting a net gain in productivity since he has a massive catch radius. Nothing at all against Kenny....but Williams has looked fantastic.

 

Haha...well, you're a better man than I because like I said, I tried to give the guy a chance listening to some of the stuff that's on YouTube but I couldn't discern any political views whatsoever. I can't condone someone being given a mic if they don't have a real message. While he seems like a polite guy, he also apparently plans on inviting more of the controversy he's sparked.

My big concern is his apparent friendship with and sympathy towards Kaepernick. That could be a problem.

I don't think many people who watched CK play believe he's a great QB. He had vision issues and consequently got beat out and was a back-up. He chose to embrace a certain narrative and basically made so much noise that nobody wanted a back-up QB coming in with the sort of circus he represented. The whole 'Kaepernick got black-balled' thing is now basically a tin-foil hat conspiracy theory. If Stills is going to make noise about that stuff and call out the owner for political reasons that are obviously really divisive...I mean...that's a problem, bro.

That's just a WHOLE lotta ant hill we don't need to be stepping in. Most people seem to get that but a few don't. And as nice a guy as Kenny is, he's an asset like any other. So while I agree with you that there's a big football aspect to this, I find it really hard to overlook the non-football aspect if Kenny plans on continuing this stuff (which by all accounts he does).

Stills had a lot of opportunities with Gase and Tannehill. He was pretty much the feature guy. He put up 700-800 yards as well as about 7 TDs per year. Problem is, those numbers are going to go down if the team features all of it's weaponry. They now have Wilson, Grant, Parker, Gesicki and others who all look to probably play bigger roles.

I'm not falling in love with Preston Williams just yet, but you're right, he has upside. So between the possible off-field issues with Stills and the fact the team is so deep at the position, I think it'd be wise to try and move Stills in this supposed deal for Clowney.

 

I don’t see the downside as long as we don’t get rid of Howard, Wilkins, Tunsil, Minkah or a top 2 round draft pick.

Houston really isn’t in a place to negotiate if he doesn’t want to be there. Maybe they franchise him 2 years, he creates more distractions and then walks for nothing. Or get a 3rd player and give Watson a weapon.

 

I was saying this was a highly confusing move back when the price seemed to be Tunsil and/or first round picks. Stills and a fourth? **** yeah do it. No question.

If he leaves we get a comp in the 3-4 range anyway, we have the option of franchising again, or we can sign him to a long term deal.

He's really picked up his game the last 2ish years, significantly. I think he did struggle to adjust to a league where he wasn't immediately the most athletic, talented and biggest dude, but now that he has, he's good. DE's also do often tend to take a few years to season right (always there are exceptions, I know).

 

Planning on getting a 3rd compensatory back is probably false hope. They have like 800 mil free next year. They are going to have to be spenders in free agency.

 

Why wouldn't they franchise tag him next year?

 

Well If I understand it correctly they can franchise him one more year if it came down to it. I think you'd be right back in this same boat though. No player likes the franchise tag.

Alot of talk here about his production. He has been relatively healthy the last two years, 31 out of 32 possible games. In those he has 18 1/2 sacks. Those are great numbers. This is a guy that the light is just starting to come on for. It is a position of bed for us. I'd offer up Drake and Stills or Drake and a 4th. They need a rb with Lamar going down.

 

Well yea, but they will be in a different boat when it comes to free agency in 2021.

No player likes to be tagged, however, he would be a two-year rental instead of the one, and probably will sign him for a lot of money as they are going to have to spend their money somehow.

If Miami is going to over pay, I would rather over pay for a top tier talent, than for a middle tier talent

 

I think he is a top 10 guy at his position. His production the last two years says so. I agree that even still he hasn't quite been the player everyone expected when he came out but he is no slouch and certainly not a bum.

 

Look at it this way, you can have him on a pricey one year rental, we easily have the room. If it works out and he keeps his production up we have plenty of money to sign him long term next year and we don't have to spend draft capital on the position. We can move Drake, even though I like him alot, clearly the coaches don't like him well enough for whatever reason. And maybe we can get Stills out of here as well. Again, I like Stills but he is becoming a bit of a distraction.

 

He only distracts the fans and the media. His teammates still love him and the work he does off the field.

 

if hes not willing to play for a franchise tag currently, why would he do it 2 years in a row?

 

It's something of a gamble, but iirc the tag figure goes up a fair bit the second time it's applied? The tag is probably a last resort option, but it's there.

Hard to imagine if we are interested that we haven't - even if unofficially - contacted his people for some figures and feel confident we can get to that.

 

Well I'm not sure who his people would be at this moment. He fired his agent a couple days ago.

 

Jadeveon Clowney willing to miss regular-season games

"Jadeveon Clowney planned to report to work this week . . . until he learned the Texans planned to trade him. Now, the Texans pass rusher is ready to take his holdout into the regular season."
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.c...clowney-willing-to-miss-regular-season-games/

Good. Let him continue to be a distraction for them(HOU). Look, how many times does he have to say he "prefers" SEA or PHI for it to sink in? By rule, the F.O. shouldn't even waste time entertaining the thought of bringing in anyone who doesn't want to be here.

 

Paul Warfield didn’t want to traded to the bottom feeding dolphins and their bew defensive minded HC.

 

So Bleacher Report are saying that the Texans have only contacted four teams (not the Dolphins), but then word is that Clowney has only visited one team - the Dolphins. Clowney apparently has concern that the Phins aren't going to be competitive...

https://bleacherreport.com/articles...eagles-jets-seahawks-more-contacted-by-texans


"According to Aaron Wilson of the Houston Chronicle, the Texans have contacted the Seattle Seahawks, Philadelphia Eagles, Washington Redskins and New York Jets about trading him.

The Texans placed a $15.967 million franchise tender on Clowney earlier this summer and had the opportunity to work out a long-term deal ahead of a July 15 deadline. However, ESPN's Adam Schefter reported that the two sides could not come to an agreement, meaning Clowney can only play for Houston on the franchise tender.


The 26-year-old has not put pen to paper on the tender or reported to the team this preseason. On Aug. 13, John McClain of the Houston Chroniclesaid he'd "be surprised if Jadeveon Clowney isn't traded."

Per Wilson, the Texans cannot trade Clowney until he signs the franchise tender...

...
Wilson reported the Miami Dolphins "are regarded widely in NFL circles as a frontrunner to land Clowney," but he also noted the linebacker's concern about the team's competitive state. Miami is coming off a 7-9 season and appears to be in the midst of a significant rebuild.


He further wrote Washington is a "no-go at this time" but that the Seahawks and Eagles are two of Clowney's "preferred teams.""

 

At this point I'll be pretty surprised if this gets done. Too many moving parts and they don't appear to be lining up.

 

I read last night an important detail that reporters are leaving out- Clowney visited us well over a month ago.

They're saying that we're his preferred team by process of elimination- there's really nobody else that wants him and can afford him without doing some cap shuffling. It's a tough sell paying a guy that much on a 1-year contract when he's already talking about sitting out part of this season to get his way- that's definitely not a team-first attitude.

At this point, Clowney almost needs us more than we need him...because he needs to save his reputation and put down some great film in 2019 so he still has a chance of getting paid by suitors in 2020. I would still take a hard pass on him but if he does come to Miami, it will likely be early next week. From what I'm reading though there hasn't been any communication in awhile...I don't think he comes here unless it's out of desperation.

I think we're his preferred choice only over his current team, but he's holding out to go almost anywhere else.

 

Woah, woah, woah.

I think you are misreading the situation.

If he has a good season, other teams cannot offer him money if we franchise him. We have the money to franchise him again, and he will be left with two options -

A - Play under the franchise tag again with the risk of severe injury or the possibility of poor performance.
B - Sign a long term deal and achieve financial security.

In my mind, this may not be an idea situation for him, but in the end, it is a no-branier.

Okay, as far as the second part goes, "What if he plays poorly?"

This solution is fairly easy too. If that is the case, we let him walk and eat the loss of a draft pick. Honestly, if you look at our dead money right now, it is apparent that it is a major problem we face. Honestly, if you look at the alternative, it would be like a super expensive Allen Branch all over again.

I also think you are kinda blinded by the moment. Dion Jordan prioritized drugs over football. The guy barely played. As far as character concerns, he is about as big of a concern as there is. Clowney missed games for injuries and really it was his rookie season. He misses a game here and a game there ever since, but nothing overly concerning.

Okay, big picture time. This is the guy I have been wanting since we got Flores. He wants to run a hybrid system. Clowney is literally the ideal guy to do that. He can stand up or sit down. This will allow us to adjust on the fly when teams don't let us sub (see the Patriots offense). Think about Wilkins. He is versatile and can be moved around on the line. I see what Flores is doing. Not everyone can do what Clowney thrives at.

 

You do realize he's currently "franchised" an he's definitely not playing for the team that offered it, right? That's what makes this so darn scary; hes demanding to go to a contender and if we have a bad year, he could easily pull the same crap next season.

I'm not saying he's not a great player or even the perfect fit....I'm saying that we could pay him $15 and still have zero guarantees if he chooses to sit out.

 

Not for Tunsil, man I hope we don't do that. Are we really even ready to pay out for another big name? I'm having flash backs of Suh all over again.