1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

And your starting QB for 2019 is....

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Galant, Aug 29, 2019.

  1. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity

    19,127
    11,058
    113
    Apr 22, 2014




     
    KeyFin likes this.
  2. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity

    19,127
    11,058
    113
    Apr 22, 2014





     
  3. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity

    19,127
    11,058
    113
    Apr 22, 2014


     
  4. TheHighExhaulted

    TheHighExhaulted Well-Known Member

    5,818
    4,664
    113
    Jan 15, 2008
    Embarrassing. Even more embarrassing when it's 75% Ravens fans next Sunday. At least Rosen might have gotten people a little bit excited.

    Boycott is on. See ya when Rosen is out there.
     
  5. Unlucky 13

    Unlucky 13 Team Raheem Club Member

    51,927
    63,005
    113
    Apr 24, 2012
    Troy, Virginia
    For me, the clock is basically ticking on Flores. Haven't been impressed with anything at all so far. And once the games actually start, its not likely to get prettier.
     
  6. brandon27

    brandon27 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    45,652
    19,304
    113
    Dec 3, 2007
    Windsor, ON. CANADA
    Not the intelligent decision IMO... Par for the course though for this franchise lately. You know what Fitz is... you traded assets for Rosen... figure out what he is.
     
    texanphinatic likes this.
  7. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

    40,533
    33,035
    113
    Dec 11, 2007
    I disagree 100%. It is the most intelligent decision. Rosen needs a little more seasoning, and the offense is going to be completely brand new. The line is going to be still gelling together.
    To set Rosen up for success it is best to start Fitz.

    Also, there is the Fitzpatrick curse to consider. You need to start Fitz.
     
  8. phinswolverinesrockets

    phinswolverinesrockets If he dies, he dies

    3,807
    1,282
    113
    Oct 31, 2013
    Houston
    We're going to have a true QB competition.
    - Flores

    Preseason final stats...

    Ruddock
    34-48 (71%); 366 yrds, 3 tds, 1 int, 105 rating

    Rosen
    28-45 (62%); 352 yrds, 0 tds, 1 int, 77 rating

    Fitzpatrick
    17-32 (53%); 166 yrds, 1 td, 0 int, 78 rating

    So, Fitzpatrick won the gig based on what?
     
    Unlucky 13 likes this.
  9. Vertical Limit

    Vertical Limit Senior Member

    12,162
    5,057
    113
    Nov 25, 2007
    This season feels like the Cam Cameron era again.. we have such a void of talent and speed on both sides id be shocked if we make it competitive on any game ... well at least if they win ill be excited as hell since the bar is very low
     
    adamprez2003 likes this.
  10. TheOne

    TheOne Active Member

    320
    150
    43
    Oct 14, 2016
    Rosen will be the QB after the first four or five games, what's Brian Flores supposed to do straight up admit he wants Fitzpatrick to be the crash test dummy out there with the bad O-line?
     
    KeyFin likes this.
  11. AGuyNamedAlex

    AGuyNamedAlex Well-Known Member

    3,582
    2,579
    113
    Sep 12, 2015
    I'll be honest that I'm not impressed with how Flores handles things so far, but we all saw this coming. Did anyone think Rosen was in the lead?
     
    texanphinatic likes this.
  12. Pauly

    Pauly Season Ticket Holder

    3,696
    3,743
    113
    Nov 29, 2007
    Fitzpatrick was going against first teamers, Rosen against second teamers and Ruddock against third teamers.
     
    jdallen1222 likes this.
  13. Phin McCool

    Phin McCool Well-Known Member

    713
    735
    93
    Jan 29, 2017
    United Kingdom
    This makes perfect sense to me. With our O line, there's a chance the QB is going to get his a** handed to him every other down. Better to wear the old un's out first, as me mam used to say about my trainers....
     
    Irishman likes this.
  14. Unlucky 13

    Unlucky 13 Team Raheem Club Member

    51,927
    63,005
    113
    Apr 24, 2012
    Troy, Virginia
    I have no idea what was ever going on in FLores' head, but Rosen seemed to be the better QB from about the second week of camp onwards. The question now becomes how long of a rope they give Fitz to hang himself.
     
  15. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity

    19,127
    11,058
    113
    Apr 22, 2014
     
  16. Unlucky 13

    Unlucky 13 Team Raheem Club Member

    51,927
    63,005
    113
    Apr 24, 2012
    Troy, Virginia
    I am not at all excited about the type of offense we're likely to see with Fitzpatrick under center. It was only reinforced during the preseason. Deep bombs and dump offs, and plenty of throws into triple coverage. I see a lot of three and outs and turnovers, a very poor time of possession, and an embarassingly few number of plays run. Basically, the same thing that we had under Gase the last few years.
     
  17. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity

    19,127
    11,058
    113
    Apr 22, 2014
     
  18. Surfs Up 99

    Surfs Up 99 Team Flores & Team Tua

    1,950
    1,785
    113
    May 5, 2016
    Don't forget your ball.
     
  19. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

    40,533
    33,035
    113
    Dec 11, 2007
    Preseason is just what we see. There are practices and meetings. Plus Rosen and Ruddock has a lot more to prove in preseason. Plus it is also a simplified version of the offense.
     
  20. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

    10,488
    12,821
    113
    Nov 1, 2009
    Except that Gase won 7 games with 2nd stringers. This team might not win 3 with their starters.
     
  21. phinswolverinesrockets

    phinswolverinesrockets If he dies, he dies

    3,807
    1,282
    113
    Oct 31, 2013
    Houston
    True, but leadership and bravado in practices and the classroom can be faked. Production on gameday can not faked. When it was time to go full speed against an opponent, Fitz did not win the competition.

    If it's only a simplified version of the offense, then the QB should look his sharpest. Fitz looked like the worst QB to me in what Flores said was going to be a true competition. If you can't master the simplified stuff, then why should I expect you to shine when it gets complicated?

    I will wait before I go on any rant. Full disclosure...If Lamar Jackson steamrolls over us, then I will be going nuts. That should be our QB. I still can't get over the fact that we didn't draft him. It pissed me off last year that he took that 4-6 trash team to the playoffs. It will only piss me off even further if we lose to him.
     
  22. tirty8

    tirty8 Well-Known Member

    1,325
    1,380
    113
    Jan 2, 2016
    Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
     
  23. cuchulainn

    cuchulainn Táin Bó Cúailnge Club Member

    23,698
    39,847
    113
    Sep 7, 2012
    Hattiesburg, MS
    Bombs, dump offs, and risky throws is exactly what Rosen showed against the 2's and 3's in camp and the first two PS games. The only time Rosen showed anything was after teams pulled their 1's and his best game was PS game 3. Also, if Williams hadn't been bailing him out, he'd have been the same turn over machine he was in AZ. He and Fitz both posted sub 80 PR ratings.

    As the guy who has beat the drum loudest for Rosen and harped none stop about how unfair it was for him to be starting last year in AZ behind a poor OL (at the wee tender age of 21 no less), I have no idea why you of all people would want him starting behind what we've fielded this preseason, especially against the Ravens and murderer's row of defenses we face to start the season.

    Flores is obviously spoon feeding him and building up his confidence, and it makes complete sense to baby him right now, let the team gel the first four games, then start him against the Skins after the BYE. That gives him the best opportunity to show whether he can be the franchise QB or not the remaining 3/4 of the season.
     
    Hooligan likes this.
  24. Unlucky 13

    Unlucky 13 Team Raheem Club Member

    51,927
    63,005
    113
    Apr 24, 2012
    Troy, Virginia
    If the team had drafted and committed to Jackson, I might already have tuned out completely.
     
  25. cuchulainn

    cuchulainn Táin Bó Cúailnge Club Member

    23,698
    39,847
    113
    Sep 7, 2012
    Hattiesburg, MS
    Not hard to figure out the formula for 1,2,3 = Fitz, Rosen, and Rudock... lol...

    [​IMG]
     
    Dol-Fan Dupree likes this.
  26. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    111,648
    67,540
    113
    Dec 20, 2007
    Jmo, Flores has made all the right moves in this situation, good job..
     
  27. Deus ex dolphin

    Deus ex dolphin Well-Known Member

    4,142
    2,339
    113
    Dec 2, 2007
    You can make an argument that Flores wants to see how bad the OL really is against an aggressive defense and since Fitzmagic is the short term guy -he is the one being sacrificed here.

    Given a couple games to gel, the OL may rise up to.... average? Then Rosen can be made the starter and have a better chance to succeed. Which seems to fall in line with those who have been thinking that Fitzmagic gets the first four games and then the change is made during the bye-week. With a possible (probable?) 0-4 or 1-3 record, no one can complain Rosen was just handed the job over the vet QB.

    All that said, things seemed more dynamic when Rosen was in, so unless we see more of that Fitzmagic to start the season, it will probably be pretty ugly.
     
  28. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

    11,817
    10,319
    113
    Nov 24, 2007
    Rockledge, FL
    Preseason stats don’t tell the full story. Rudock never played with nor against the starting line up. Rosen and Fitz both did. While I personally want Rosen for the future, the last damned thing I want is to throw him to the wolves without knowing for sure there is an OL that can protect him for 60 full minutes.

    Rosen is going to get the nod by week 6 or 7. That what Fitz gives...dynamite that makes a brilliant explosion but once the smoke clears, there’s nothing left to see
     
    jdallen1222, KeyFin and cuchulainn like this.
  29. AGuyNamedAlex

    AGuyNamedAlex Well-Known Member

    3,582
    2,579
    113
    Sep 12, 2015
    If Jackson runs all over us it will be because we are bad. I wont trash what he did win wise but I'm glad he isnt our QB. I see average with the occasional great outing as his ceiling.
     
  30. Unlucky 13

    Unlucky 13 Team Raheem Club Member

    51,927
    63,005
    113
    Apr 24, 2012
    Troy, Virginia
    I see Jackson passing for fewer than 150 yards and turning the ball over at least three times Week 1.
     
    KeyFin likes this.
  31. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    111,648
    67,540
    113
    Dec 20, 2007
    bravo Flores, good job..

    Part of the reason why I felt he should not start was the humbling process from where he started to where he is now..

    I thought and think Flores has done a wonderful job, the player needed it and the player also needed to be recalibrated..

    Now, when you have a player with hi level talent, who is now humbled, and will not be spoon fed anymore, you have a chance of that player being what you envision..

    he’s about the process of becoming something,and really smart and self introspective, now instead of the instant notoriety based on his lifetime of being around “yes josh” people, you now have a humble, hard working, hi level talent developing in your QB room

    Flores tamed him well..
     
    Hooligan likes this.
  32. Unlucky 13

    Unlucky 13 Team Raheem Club Member

    51,927
    63,005
    113
    Apr 24, 2012
    Troy, Virginia
    Will your thoughts change if (when) Fitzpatrick is playing lousy and he's still out on the field every week?
     
  33. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    111,648
    67,540
    113
    Dec 20, 2007
    of course, because that will then be his responsibility..go time then.
     
  34. rafael

    rafael Well-Known Member

    27,364
    31,261
    113
    Apr 6, 2008
    Fitz may well not survive long so we may get Rosen sooner rater than later. But anybody hoping for his success should want to give him as much time as possible before he's forced to start.
     
  35. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

    10,488
    12,821
    113
    Nov 1, 2009
    AKA, give the line as much time as possible so they can figure out how to block people trying to kill the QB. I don't expect Fitz to make it out of the first month...I feel for him to be honest.
     
    rafael and Surfs Up 99 like this.
  36. TheHighExhaulted

    TheHighExhaulted Well-Known Member

    5,818
    4,664
    113
    Jan 15, 2008
    The whole offensive line thing is absolute garbage because magically this ragtag group is going to be better on Week 8?

    And, I can guarantee that Week 8 offensive line is going to look nothing like the Week 1 offensive line.

    Put that narrative to bed.

    Flores has no balls. Plain and simple.
     
  37. TheHighExhaulted

    TheHighExhaulted Well-Known Member

    5,818
    4,664
    113
    Jan 15, 2008
    He went with the "safe" choice. He's soft. Then he tried to be like Belichik at the press conference.

    Question...

    Fitzpatrick is the starter.

    Question...

    Fitzpatrick is the starter.

    Embarrassing.
     
  38. Surfs Up 99

    Surfs Up 99 Team Flores & Team Tua

    1,950
    1,785
    113
    May 5, 2016
    Any thoughts on the OL guys we traded for Key? I am guessing they are mostly for OL depth. I get that it would be hard to trade for an actual high-level starter at this point. Injuries happen all the time, and teams want to have a guy that can step in and not miss a beat.
     
  39. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

    11,817
    10,319
    113
    Nov 24, 2007
    Rockledge, FL
    What I find hilarious is many of you wanted a bridge qb per say, a qb to transition so we could “Tank for Tua”. Well, you didn’t get Bridgewater as that bridge, you got Fitzpatrick instead and now that you have that “bridge”, you’re complaining that Fitz is starting over Rosen. Some of your arguments are scattered all over the place like a shotgun pattern.

    If Fitz falters and we suck, you got what you wanted, to be in a position to draft Tua as your next franchise qb

    If Fitz falters, Rosen comes in and falters, you got what you wanted, to be in a position to frat Tua as your next franchise qb

    If Fitz falters and Rosen comes in and wins every game he starts, you got what you wanted. A franchise qb

    If Fitz lights up the scoreboard and we go the playoffs, you got what you wanted, a winning season

    Quit your complaining. There’s no downside
     
    Phin McCool and Hooligan like this.
  40. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

    10,488
    12,821
    113
    Nov 1, 2009
    Both guys have been in the league a few years and each of them have some starts...followed by time on the bench. So it looks like they're both high 2nd stringers, maybe low 1st stringers when someone goes down. It's hard to find film just for linemen, but from what little I saw they are both okay (not great, not garbage). They're slight upgrades over our reserves...that's about it.
     
    Surfs Up 99 likes this.

Share This Page