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Rumor: Miami Dolphins interested in trading for Jadeveon Clowney

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Sceeto, Aug 13, 2019.

  1. mlb1399

    mlb1399 Well-Known Member

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    Trading Tunsil for Clowney seems like shooting our left foot to save our right foot.

    Hard to believe anything in the media these days as you don’t know what’s true and what’s being spun to get clicks. Trading one cornerstone piece at a weak position for another with worse contract terms makes no sense.
     
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  2. cbrad

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    The media nowadays: "BREAKING NEWS!!.. We don't know what will happen!!"
     
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  3. KeyFin

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    Parker's name came up in a few gossip columns (AKA, expert analysis for breaking news) today as well. I would personally love that trade because I think he's a bum.
     
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  4. DolphinGreg

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    Yeah....I'm not interested in any deal that costs us our up-and-coming franchise LT.

    I know the Texans was to sure up their O-line and keep their franchise QB upright but nah.
     
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  5. tirty8

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    But the thing is that they can't trade for him until he signs his tender.
     
  6. KeyFin

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    And he's not going to sign until the trade talks are completed and he's going to a team he wants. I think he's probably okay with Miami since they're asking about Tunsil, Stills, Parker, etc....they wouldn't have those in-depth discussions if we were definitely out of the picture. I'm just not sure it's the right move or the right time- Clowney is dead-set on getting a bigger payday now (a team can pay more than the Franchise Tag to placate him).

    I do feel a little better though knowing why he's sat out- they tagged him as a linebacker and that cost him about $1.3 million. They did the same thing last season (designating him a linebacker) and they ended up giving him a $1M bonus at the end of the year since he played about 70% of his snaps at end....then they tagged him LB all over again. So I sort of get it, he's sitting out on principal since DE's make more money and he was used as a DE most. That's kinda a BS move anyway to screw with a Pro-Bowler like that.

    But even though that eases my concerns, I still don't like the logistics and I'll be furious if we trade Tunsil...then lose Clowney too in 2020. It's a real possibility and that's why I'd pass.
     
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  7. Finatik

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    The Dolphins have met with Texans pass rusher Jadeveon Clowney. The Texans need a starting offensive tackle.

    Thus, even though the Dolphins have told left tackle Laremy Tunsil they aren’t actively shopping him, his name naturally comes up in speculation of who the Texans would seek in a trade of Clowney.

    But Adam Beasley of the Miami Herald reported Thursday that Dolphins players “would revolt” if the team trades Tunsil. Beasley calls Tunsil “one of their best and most-liked players.”

    The Dolphins are expected to be among the worst in the NFL. They had high turnover in the offseason, including hiring a new coach, and they have Josh Rosen and Ryan Fitzpatrickcompeting for the starting quarterback job.

    While it appears a rebuilding year in Miami, the locker room wants to compete and wants to see the team take care of its own financially, according to Beasley. The Dolphins drafted Tunsil 13th overall in 2016 and has him under contract the next two seasons, having picked up his fifth-year option for 2020.

    “The backlash would be amazing,” Beasley quotes one source as saying. “Guys would legit revolt.”

    The Texans cannot trade Clowney until he signs his franchise tender, so the pass rusher essentially controls where Houston trades him. Houston reportedly also has talked to the Eagles, Seahawks, Jets and Washington about the Pro Bowler.
     
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  8. Galant

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  10. Finatik

    Finatik Season Ticket Holder Staff Member Club Member

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    TO bad we can't try and get Tent Williams:

    To no surprise, Washington tackle Trent Williams won’t show up for the start of the regular season. To little surprise, the team continues to be stubborn about the situation.

    Via Chris Russell of 106.7 the Fan in D.C., Williams has told former Washington teammate DeAngelo Hall that there’s “zero chance” that Williams will report for Week One against the Eagles.

    Team president Bruce Allen continues to insist that Williams will play for Washington this season. But Washington hasn’t done much, if anything, to persuade Williams to want to play for the team. By all appearances, he wants out as a result of the way the team handled the growth on his head — and the passage of time isn’t softening his stance.

    Allen reportedly believed that training-camp fines in the amount of $40,000 would get Williams to cave. They didn’t. The next question is whether losing game checks in excess of $638,000 will matter. Williams has said or done nothing to suggest that he’ll be swayed by that, either.
     
  11. Finatik

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    I would revolt.
     
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  12. tirty8

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    Listen bro, if they deal Tunsil, I will pick up a pitchfork and torch right with you. Trading him would be beyond foolish. I love Clowney and all, but let's be serious, he's never had 10 sacks in a season, and Tunsil is probably the best player on the team and definitely a 10+ year LT.
     
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  13. Deus ex dolphin

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    It would be a nightmare to see Tunsil traded away. You need a franchise QB, a stud DE, and a stud LT to build a team around. We have one of those positions filled at the moment.
     
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  16. Puka-head

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    My money is on Seattle. They have cap space, need, scheme fit and they are a contender. I see them sitting back and letting Clowney figure out he gets a little leverage, but too much is going to cost him more than he wants to give up. Shehacks are going to get him for CJ Procise and a 3rd. Clowney will get a three year 48 ish Kinda deal.

    Why would a vet in his prime want to come be a part of a 3 year project when he could negotiate his way on to a contender?
     
  17. Galant

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  18. mlb1399

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    I don’t understand why we’d trade a proven player for a good player who may not resign with us and draft picks that have a 40% chance of turning out.

    I guess I just need to sit back, trust the current regime and let this play out.
     
  19. Galant

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    Me neither.
     
  20. ExplosionsInDaSky

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    I will explode with anger if the Dolphins trade Laremy Tunsil to the Texans for JaDeveon Clownshoe. The ONLY way I'd be ok with this is if A. Houston throws in a first round pick, and B. Clowney happily re signs here after joyously announcing a loving desire to remain in Miami.
     
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  22. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    Tunsil is an asset, and as with any asset, you move for the right price.

    Clowney and a first? That's not even close. Gotta at least get another first and maybe some 2-3 rounders as well. Skip the latter if they also get McKinney.

    Clowney, McKinney and 2 first rounders? That's a deal you could make work.
     
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  23. KeyFin

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    Umm, I think I'm rooting for this deal to go through all of a sudden. We'd get Clowney, a 1st rounder to replace Tunsil next season, and another high pick or starter? I almost think I'm on board with that since we'll be horrible this year anyway.

    Do I want to see Tunsil go? No- heck no! But if the Texans are going to overpay then it would be hard to turn down with our "Moneyball" strategy.
     
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  24. Itsdahumidity

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    A HOU 1st rnder most certainly will be a late one, meaning it will seem like an early 2nd(prospect ranking wise). And if they throw in another "high pick" it will probably be the following year(2021). So let's say it's a 2021 2nd. I think any contending team in need of a franchise LT wouldn't hesitate to give up basically 2nd & 3rd picks for him. In my opinion it would be a steal in their favor.

    One thing is for sure. If Grier trades Tunsil that means he's all in, at any cost, on Tua the lefty. The RT becomes the blindside protector. And if this is the case then I really don't know what to say about Grier as a GM.
     
  25. KeyFin

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    Eve if they do translate to a high 2nd and a 3rd, plus Clowney...we could get a "good enough" tackle in 2020 and still come out of this smelling like roses. I think that would be tough to pass up no matter how you look at it.

    Like I said, I've screamed louder than anyone here to "fix the line with quality players" for the past 15 years. I DO NOT want to see Tunsil go but at the same time, every player has a value. Is Tunsil worth more than Clowney plus one of the best tackles in college football (late 1st rounder) AND a top 7 college guard (2nd or 3rd rounder)? My answer to that is no...as amazing as Tunsil has developed, he's not worth that much to us.

    If they throw in a 2nd or 3rd rounder....or that young linebacker Miami really wants...I would take the deal. Then we'd need to draft 1 or 2 defensive pieces to be fully stacked on that side of the ball for the next 5+ years. That is how dynasties are built....
     
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  26. Surfs Up 99

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    With the state of our OL, if we trade Tunsil for Clowney, then I am chipping in for the airplane banner calling for the firing of Grier.
     
  27. texanphinatic

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    OL this year is somewhat moot anyway. We would really need to see what happens next offseason. If we end up with - best case - Clowney signed to a long term somewhat reasonable deal , McKinney, and multiple first rounders/high picks that Grier uses to boost OL on top of grabbing Tua/Herbert? Hard to get too mad.

    If we trade Tunsil for Clowney and like 1 pick and then see Clowney leave? Yeah ok that's a pitchfork move.
     
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  28. Phins_to_Win

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    Doesn't feel like its going to be a "reasonable" deal to get him to stay. Maybe we have just been burned too many times, but I feel a little queasy when I think about this trade.

    As Key has pointed out, there is a point where the value is too good to pass up, but with our inability to find O-line talent in the 2nd and 3rd rounds, it would be hard for me to pull the trigger here. If Clowney was in love with the idea of coming to Miami, then that might be a different story.
     
  29. cbrad

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    A really good negotiator could take advantage of the Texans. They don't even have a GM at the moment and decided to split up GM duties until 2020. They've split GM duties among 4 people and there's just no way 4 people will all agree on everything.
    It's probably one reason signing Clowney long term is taking so long, assuming they even want him ("they" as in which of the 4?).

    Anyway, I'm also in the camp of not trading Tunsil unless you just fleece the Texans for loot. The two issues that concern me most are Clowney possibly not wanting to stay here and that there are reports of Dolphins players "revolting" if they trade Tunsil. Flores better not lose the locker room before he even coaches a single game!
     
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  30. Itsdahumidity

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    KeyFin, we have one of the best LT in the NFL already and we we're extremely lucky that the gas mask/bong vid leaked. There's a chance even the top tackle in college football next year may not translate his game to the league. But Tunsil has and that is a known. I thought the whole purpose of talent acquisition is not only identifying but keeping it as well.

    Anyway this trade discussion should soon become moot b/c:
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    One league source informed of Jadeveon Clowney's thinking reiterated that he remains adamant he doesn't want to play for the Miami Dolphins regardless of the trade discussions between Texans and Dolphins
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    @McClain_on_NFL


    Clowney hasn’t signed his tender cause he doesn’t want to play for Miami.

     
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  31. KeyFin

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    Okay cool, so it's dead at this point.

    And so you know, I don't disagree with you one bit- Tunsil is awesome AND we stole him at 11. The next man up wouldn't be in his league, but that doesn't mean he won't be a dependable starter either. I personally think that would be worth it for Clowney, a 1st and a 2nd/3rd...but it's fine for us to disagree.
     
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  32. Itsdahumidity

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    Cool brother, there's nothing wrong with healthy debates.
     
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  33. Galant

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  34. djphinfan

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    such a simple riddle from the get..

    ''Miami doesn't want to trade Tunsil, but if Houston is offering the moon you listen''

    a poster named Phinatic..thought it was short and accurate.



    imo, they called us, asked about Tunsil, we said no, they said wait wait, how bout this..we listened...its called good business.
     
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  36. Surfs Up 99

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    I am curious, what are the ramifications for him if he doesn't sign his tender? He doesn't play and doesn't get his money, but he is a FA next year?
     
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  37. The_Dark_Knight

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    If a$$ Clowney doesn’t want to come to Miami, then I don’t want any part of him

    I only want folks who WANT to be a part of our team. Anything else is cancer
     
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  39. Surfs Up 99

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  40. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    He sits out a year and then chooses his own team in 2020...but folks will be A LOT less likely to sign him then at a premium contract. Think Collin Kaepernick- you can't always just throw tantrums, quit and then expect someone to pay you big money a year later. No matter what, he walked out on his team and owners don't want guys like that.

    Watch- he'll sign the tender this week. He'd be a moron not to.
     
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