That's per ESPN' stats. PFF don't have him graded highly: https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/billy-turner/8702 The Packers' line is playing quite well though: https://www.pff.com/news/pro-nfl-offensive-line-rankings-all-32-teams-units-entering-2019 So if he isn't great, that's evidence you can have a good OL without having 5 studs playing - he just needs to be average. If he is getting better then perhaps it's been a coaching issue all along?
He improved his game with the Broncos. I think having Chris Foerester as his coach is what delayed his development. Dallas Thomas was a completely a lost cause however.
Hes been good since 2017 with the Broncos.. . We had the pick right, we didnt have the coaches right.
I look at the Patriots and they seem to be able to "coach up" their guys. Talent is important but having a great O line coach can hide some of those deficiencies. Maybe we need to just flat our overpay one of these guys to pry them loose.
The flip side of the coin is that Jamil Douglas and Dallas Thomas have never been sighted again. So we had 1 guy who could have been coached up if we had a competent OL coach and 2 guys we had no business ever drafting.
Hard to find definitive stats on the probability of drafting success by position and by round, but this guy looked at players that started at least half the games in their careers (probably not the best metric.. but it correlates well with others I've seen) from 2005-2014: https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2015...e-statistics-tell-us-about-the-draft-by-round Summary: 1st Round - OL (83%) LB (70%) TE (67%) DB (64%) QB (63%) WR (58%) RB (58%) DL (58%) 2nd Round - OL (70%) LB (55%) TE (50%) WR (49%) DB (46%) QB (27%) DL (26%) RB (25%) 3rd Round - OL (40%) TE (39%) LB (34%) DL (27%) WR (25%) DB (24%) QB (17%) RB (16%) 4th Round - DL (37%) TE (33%) OL (29%) LB (16%) WR(12%) DB (11%) RB (11%) QB (8%) 5th Round - TE (32%) DB (17%) WR (16%) OL (16%) DL (13%) RB (9%) LB (4%) QB (0%) 6th Round - TE (26%) OL (16%) DL (13%) WR (9%) DB (8%) RB (6%) LB (5%) QB (0%) 7th Round - DB (11%) OL (9%) QB (6%) WR (5%) DL (3%) LB (2%) RB (0%) TE (0%) Billy Turner and Dallas Thomas were both 3rd round picks and Jamil Douglas was a 4th rounder. Here are the probabilities of picking X consistent starters at OL with two 3rd round picks and one 4th rounder: 0 consistent starters: 30.25% 1 consistent starter: 44.87% 2 consistent starters: 21.52% 3 consistent starters: 3.36% Coming out with more than 1 consistent starter at OL given the picks we're talking about is expected 1/4 of the time. Thus, missing on 2 out of 3 of those picks isn't really the issue. The real issue is that Billy Turner couldn't be coached up here.
I’ll be damned. He had zero snaps in 2017 and 2018 combined and thought he had dropped out of the NFL. Edit to add: Also the Titans have allowed 17 sacks in 3 games, which is 5.7 sacks per game. Last year without Douglas they averaged 2.9 sacks per game.
LT - La. Tunsil (good in Houston) LG - Billy Turner (good in GB/Denver) C - Mike Pouncey (great in LA) RG - John Jerry (good in NY) RT - Jawuan James (good in Denver) Hell, we had a good offensive line and gave them away...lol. The scrub coaches and scrub QBs were the problem.
This is the problem when you’re constantly shuffling coaches. For better or worse, we need to give this 4 years.
I didn't even mention Richie Incognito, who went to 3 straight pro bowls after we got rid of him, lol.
Revisionist history. Turner's nickname was Turnstill. He was leakier than a sieve. Wish I had the inclination to pull up all the posts and complaints about him. Pouncey could never stay healthy. He was good when he was in but he was always hurt. Wish I had the inclination to pull up all the posts and complaints about him.
His "antics" were not football related and he went to multiple Pro Bowls after leaving Miami. If we want to really get down to the heart of the matter though, we lost Ritchie because we brought in a mentally incompetent tackle in Jonathan Martin and the coaches had to ask Cogs to "toughen him up". Using chess analogy, the front office sacrificed a rook to try and protect a pawn. To your other posts, what people said or didn't say on the forum has absolutely no bearing on how much potential a player has...especially at offensive line (the position actively watched least by fans). The real problem was that we were starting players like Billy Turner far before they were ready because the conditioning wasn't there and our starters spent most of their season on IR. Using chess analogy, the front office sacrificed all their pawns because they were incapable of realizing they had actual value.
Pretty sure Incognito also sexually harassed a female golf course employee. He is/was a talented guy, but so is Antonio Brown.
Put him on an island in a vacuum and then grade him. Nobody has mentioned the X factor of having a good or mobile qb. A quick release. A good center who can make good line calls? It’s not all coaching. Good for him for finally taking advantage of a system that can support his play. Other than that. It was a good move at the time by this org. Same goes for the other moves. Do what’s best for the team at the very moment the decision is to be made. That’s why all of us are on here analyzing years of moves with marginal at best data and not in the front office getting paid, provided with infinite data to make now decisions.