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A Personal Take on Draft Expectation

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Galant, Nov 18, 2019.

  1. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    Just commenting on of the few remarks made about Lamar Jackson...

    Running quarterbacks don't have a history of long term success in the NFL. Jim McMahon, Steve Young, Randall Cunningham, Michael Vick just to name a few. Granted, they did enjoy success in their careers, including a Super Bowl Championship for a couple of these guys but long term? They weren't able to endure the punishment that comes with being that running quarterback.

    Elway was probably the exception, having endured a long career but all in all, a running quarterback isn't going to last long in the league.
     
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  2. resnor

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    Cunningham and Vick had 15 year careers? What is your issue with that?

    Plus, thinking about the rules changes, does it matter how long their careers were a decade or more ago? QBs, when running QBs, aren't taking the same sort of hits.
     
  3. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    Vick and especially Cunningham were often injured and missed a LOT of games/seasons.

    I can remember a running joke with Cunningham being that he must’ve tripped over his shoelaces again
     
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  4. resnor

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    Again, the hits they were taking were very different from the hits today. But still, your claim that they had short careers is incorrect. However, the idea that the prototypical QB is the same today as it was 30 years ago is silly. We are seeing that mobile QBs who can also throw well are becoming more and more normal. The game is evolving. Oline play is bad league wide, so you need QBs that can create and function without a good oline. Statue pocket passers cannot.
     
  5. AGuyNamedAlex

    AGuyNamedAlex Well-Known Member

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    Most dual threat QB who make it long term have the elite passing ability of a pocket passer to go along with the mobility.

    So in the end you're looking for elite decision making and passing ability whether a QB is mobile or not.
     
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  6. djphinfan

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    It’s. It a wildcat situation, that’s one dimensional, this is a evolved wildcat situation with a signal caller that has hi level dual threat capabilities..
     
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  7. djphinfan

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    With the ability of the dual threat Qb like Jackson is, the offenses deceptive nature open things up for the pass, making a possible for a player with arm talent to thrive.
     
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  8. KeyFin

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    I agree- this isn't your grandpa's NFL where you could try to knockout the QB on every play. The game favors mobile QB's because of all the rule changes and I think it's smart to have one in the wing...which is why I've been on the Jalen Hurts bandwagon all season.
     
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  9. Irishman

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    It's not as if you have a choice, is it.
     
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  10. Vertical Limit

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    Yesterday Chase Young came back after a two game suspension... no rust shown at all..

    9 total tackles, 4 TFL’s, 3 sacks and 2 forced fumbles..

    best player in the draft and not even close.
     
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  11. AGuyNamedAlex

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    I dont disagree he is the most surefire prospect if there is such a thing. I'd still take Burrow before him. If not Burrow there isnt another top QB I like...so I'd love Young.
     
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  12. ExplosionsInDaSky

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    If Chase Young is there when we pick, then he should be our guy. I'm trying to keep in mind that Flores is a defensive minded coach and adding a player like Young to his defense might be too good to pass up. Now I realize he doesn't have say over ultimately who the team decides to draft, but i'm sure he'll have some valid input and motivation towards the selection. I keep dreaming of us leaving the first round with Chase Young, DeAndre Swift, and Jalen Hurts or Justin Herbert.
     
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  13. BucksFinsfan

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    Perfect. Someone who is in the same frame of mind as myself. I've been lurking for a while but just registered. The past couple years have hurt my heart frankly. Ugh.

    Flores is a Defensive guy, and a good one. There's some talent on the Defense but the pass rush is not up to snuff. You get a monster pass rush, and miraculously the next two levels start to look a lot better. No one player in the draft is going to help his team right away like Chase Young. Guy is only scratching the surface and his tutelage by Larry Johnson is what will make him a monster in the league for a long time. Examine Joey and Nick Bosa for what you should expect from Young, from Day 1.

    Some people may burn me at the stake for this but, even older, Fitzpatrick is a serviceable QB - behind a competent Oline! Our Oline is awful and any QB you put back there right now is going to be awful too until it gets fixed. If Flores were an Offensive mind and QB guru, I'd say draft Burrow and your next two first rounders should be Oline to grow with him for awhile. He's not so I'd say Young is the guy and then the next two guys Oline in the first round to give Fitz and Rosen a better Oline and our Defense gets a bump as well. The next draft, if Rosen can't get it together, you get your franchise QB.

    There's no Manning or Luck in this draft so who knows how these guys will end up. Having the best Oline and Dline possible lets you be in the mix long-term, ask the Patriots. Brady is good but he's stuck around so long because his Oline doesn't get him hurt and he has time to play. It all starts up front.

    Sorry first post here is so long, just felt a real opinion on this upcoming draft.
     
  14. texanphinatic

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    Lamar Jackson has totally transformed that Ravens team. Holy cow what a game.

    Look, Chase Young is good, but if Grier and Flores think one of the QBs is legit, that is the player that stands the best chance of elevating the team. I do think Bucks comparison to the Bosa Bros is legit, but Joey is languishing with Rivers providing poor QB play, whereas Nick was the capstone piece to an already loaded DL on a team that already had a QB.
     
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  15. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    Long is fine! Welcome aboard. :up:
     
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