Tannehill's passer rating today was 133.6. Since 2013, teams have won 73 of the 78 games (97%) in which they had a passer rating between 130 and 136. So Tannehill certainly didn't lose the game.
I feel bad for Tanny. He hit Raymond with a beautiful pass just for that dirty Saints player to hit him in the head. Tanny would of drove them for clearly a game winning TD. Titans got robbed.
Except Tannehill played well against Houston (the closest to a "must-win" situation he's faced with the Titans so far) and really well today (not a "must-win" situation). This is very different from years past where he played either mediocre or really bad (e.g., last 2 games of 2013) to end the season when the playoffs were in reach. I don't really see the need to debate this issue right now. Let's just wait and see how he plays against Houston in the season finale. To 99% that's a must-win situation and if it comes to it he needs to out-duel Watson. Win-or-go-home time.
Not sure it would have been game winning, unless he managed to burn all the clock and get the touchdown.. saints would have likely had some time left.
TAylor Lewan has taken a few steps back this season, for a guy that has been a top 5 lt most of his career hes been turnstile this season and his penalties sre pathetic
By "they" which team do you mean? Pittsburgh beating Baltimore has no effect on the "win and in" part for the Titans. Titans hold the tiebreaker over Pittsburgh if both win their season finales. First tiebreaker is head-to-head which doesn't apply, next is conference record and both will have the same, next is record against common opponents and both will be 3-2 there, and the next one is strength of victory – combined winning percentage of teams you beat – and Titans beat Pittsburgh there even if both win their final game. So it's win and in for the Titans.
I hope the Titans sign Tanny this off season because he's a perfect fit there. If not i think the Cowboys should try to outbid them because Prescott is nowhere near the money he's demanding. Either way i see him being a starter somewhere the next few years.
And it screws with your correlation of Tannehill’s passer rating and Henry’s production. Convinced yet?
Deoin Lewis was a scrub today replacing Henry. What was shocking is Tanny still looking pretty good without a running game. Titans oline has been inconsistent all year. Lewan looks like a complete scrub
I don't care where he ultimately ends up as long as it isn't New England. I'll be perfectly content to see him start for any of the other 31 teams.
Tannehill is going to get paid big time.. his contract will be similar to Goff/Wentz. 110 million guaranteed. the Titans have no choice but to pay, even if its a one off..
If you look at the post in which I mentioned that correlation, you'll see I used it inductively, to generate a hypothesis to be tested, rather than deductively, to make a conclusion. I also mentioned the relationship can be bidirectional, meaning that Tannehill could be elevating Henry's performance as well. I think that suggests that I'm convinced that Tannehill is indeed playing well. Whether he's one of the best QBs in the league again we'll need more time to determine.
AAAAAAAND.... Titans opened as a 5.5 point favorite over Houston, who will, apparently, be resting Watson, Fuller, Joseph, Hyde and Stills...maybe even Tunsil who got nicked up this last game.
When someone says he has to outDuel the other QB... Where does one factor in the other players who will be actually completing the QBs passes?
Well, I don't care if Houston rests those players and its an asterisk game...just so long as they make the playoffs. And I bet that will make Kansas City a bit nervous as that would be the Titan's first game.
It means there are no excuses when it's win-or-go-home. Players make plays and players make mistakes. Both sides have to deal with that, but some QB's overcome while others don't. No excuses. I mean it's (essentially) the playoffs. You FIND a way to win or the season's over. Besides, if it's really true the Texans are resting a bunch of starters it will be a lot easier for Tannehill and the Titans.
Lmao... Tannehill the last two games: - 39/63 (62%), 551 passing yards, 5 TDs, 1 INT, 112.9 PR, 4 runs for 18 yards and a rushing TD. That's six TDs in two games, but sure "Tannehill" has lost two straight. Lol...
It could be an off-reference to passer rating differential being a strongly relative stat when it comes to winning/losing. Or am I confusing that one Cbrad?
I was more referring to cases where you actually could describe what's going on as a "duel" between QB's. For example Peyton Manning and Tom Brady had a whole bunch of games where each QB repeatedly led the offense to tie the game or to score and take the lead, back and forth until one side made a mistake or scored the decisive points. In such cases, even though each QB is playing against the opponent's defense, they're both having success and it comes down to which QB is "clutch" if I may use that word. That's what I'd call a "duel". In my original post I didn't suggest that always happened, just that if it came down to it you simply have no excuses for failure because it's win-or-go-home. Both sides have to deal with drops/defense etc.. but none of that in the end matters when you HAVE to win. The passer rating differential argument I think applies more generally to all facets of the game, not just during such "duels". Also, since passer rating isn't reliable for small sample size (e.g., a single game or even several games.. I always set the minimum at 150+ passing attempts), the passer rating differential argument is one I use over longer stretches of play, not for a single game or portions of one.
Additionally, KC plays at 1PM, and the Titans/Texans game has been flexed to 4:25PM...3 seed could be locked up before the kickoff at Houston, so that would be even more reason for Houston to rest players.
That chiefs game is interesting... it potentially could be Rivers last game as a Charger.. who knows what kind of inspired performance he will give.
apropos of nothing but, if the officials had ruled the interception debited against Tanny as a fumble, would anyone disagree? It makes no difference to the result, but when people come to analyze player’s careers the ruling as to whether it was an interception or fumble changes who gets blamed for the bad play.
How is that Tannehills fault? Khalid Raymond clearly caught the ball and made a football move, than got absolutely blasted by a DB that forced the fumble Wich should of been a flag. That was a dirty hit.
He averaged 4.5 yards a carry and was effective running the ball Did you even watch the game? They had a balanced attack and rushed effectively even when down 10.
LOL. You're convinced he is playing well..... All it took was a historic run of games of QB efficiency.
He was referring to the play in the Houston game. If that play is ruled a fumble instead of an INT, nothing changes in the game but Tannehill's passer rating is even better and he is turnover free in the two critical games.
Yeah, I mean some of the guys in here can argue stats and advanced stats all they want, all I need is the eye test. I see a QB right now that's playing well and doing more than enough to help his team win games, whether that results in a win or not is irrelevant to me, because I understand that there are other things & players that factor in to wins and losses. You guys (not you specifically chuch..) can argue numbers and other stuff all you want to try and support whatever argument you want, but me, just like many other's here and other observers and people actually in the NFL football community have no need to argue or even look at that stuff, because you can clearly see a QB who's elevated that team & who is playing at a top tier level. To try and argue against that using whatever stats you can come up with is ridiculous IMO. I don't need a weather man to tell me it's raining & I don't need numbers to tell me Ryan Tannehill is playing top level QB type football right now, regardless of the final outcome of his team's game.
Passer rating can't be reliably used as a measure of quarterbacks' ability over small samples of play, but passer rating differential does have considerable explanatory power with regard to which team wins single games.
Can't we just use this weekend's games as evidence that wins are not necessarily a direct reflection of the play of the QB and any QB can have an off game? Brissett - 14/27, 119 yards, 0 TDs - 38 points and a win Tannehill - 17/27, 272 yards, 3 TDs - 28 points and a loss Wilson - 16/31, 169 yards, 169 yards, 1 TD - 13 points and a loss at home against a 4 win team
I don't see anyone here using statistics to conclude that the football Ryan Tannehill is playing right now isn't good.
I was referring to the Houston game Thanks FinFaninBuffalo. If you credit Tannehill with a 16 yard (iirc) completion with the tackle/forced fumble made at the 1 yard line that would bring Tannehill’s passer rating up to 119.0 over the 2 games. Again it changes nothing in the result whether it was ruled an interception or forced fumble, but it changes individual’s stats. To my eyes it looked more lime a forced fumble than an interception. The problem with retro-actvely adjusting stats for “correct rulings” is that to be proper you have to and adjust everybody’s stats for all games.
When passer rating differential, which incorporates how well a team defends against an opposing quarterback, predicts win percentage in the NFL as well as it does, win percentage should obviously not be used as a measure of a quarterback's individual performance. Between 2014 and 2016, Drew Brees had season passer ratings of 97, 101, and 101.7. His team's record in his starts in those seasons was 7-9, 7-8, and 7-9. Why? Because the opposing passer ratings it surrendered those years were 92.9, 116.2, and 98.1. Brees was great as always, but his team couldn't defend against the other QBs of the league.