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Ryan Tannehill

Discussion in 'Other NFL' started by bbqpitlover, Oct 16, 2019.

Ryan Tannehill is...

  1. A terrible QB

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  2. A below average QB

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  3. An average QB

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  4. An above average QB

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  5. An elite QB

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  6. The GOAT.

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  1. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    That throw...was straight-up insane. I only know 1 other current QB that may be able to pull that off (Rodgers).
     
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  2. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    Shoulda sent the advance scout to Miami instead of Cincy.
     
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  3. Vertical Limit

    Vertical Limit Senior Member

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    Its gonna be refreshing to see two different teams in the afc championship game
     
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  4. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    I blame Jesse's Girl
     
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  5. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Yes exactly.
     
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  6. Vertical Limit

    Vertical Limit Senior Member

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    That Aj Brown kid btw... he reminds me of Andre Johnson.. big, physical, explosive.. everything is just coming together in Tennessee..
     
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  7. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    I'm pretty sure this is the video that made me realize most of us have moot wrong, lol.
     
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  8. Dolphin Dundee

    Dolphin Dundee Well-Known Member

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    Tennessee's got their big 3 now. Way better than that overhyped trio in Dallas.
     
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  9. cuchulainn

    cuchulainn Táin Bó Cúailnge Club Member

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    Actually, yeah. Sort've... and despite not having a running game.

    Miami has averaged 29 ppg in the month of Dec and was 5th in the NFL in 1st downs. Pats Defense has been carrying them.

    A lot of this win was the "Fitz-Magic". It ebbs and flows. Today it was flowing. Fitz was completing 70% of his passes for most of the game and was a magician in the pocket at avoiding sacks and turn-overs. He was only sacked twice, but it could've been four or five times. He was very elusive in the pocket.

    DVP was also in rare form today, finishing with 8 catches for 137 yards.

    While the Titans could, and hopefully will, beat the Pats, I have little faith in their OL or Defense. Hopefully, Henry and Tannehill can persevere and overcome and get the win regardless.
     
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  10. Cashvillesent

    Cashvillesent A female Tannehill fan

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    Vrabel would be smart to go look up Flores gameplan and what he did to stop the Pats.
     
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  11. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    Vrabel played in New England. I'm sure he'll look at the game film and reference his own experiences there as well
     
  12. Cashvillesent

    Cashvillesent A female Tannehill fan

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    Nah he's Julio
     
  13. Cashvillesent

    Cashvillesent A female Tannehill fan

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    Watching the Dolphins and Patriots game currently.

    I could tell Henry is going to eat their defense alive. They cant tackle!!!!!!!
     
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  14. cuchulainn

    cuchulainn Táin Bó Cúailnge Club Member

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    Won't be the same game plan from the Pats and they'll be expecting that.

    If you want to be cynical, you can say Miami only won because Brady threw a Pick 6 and had one of his worse games ever in Foxboro. Oddly, Miami has no pass rush, so go figure as to why Brady's accuracy and placement was bad today. He wasn't even near as good as his final stats.

    I expect Bill to stack the line, put Gilmore on AJ Brown, or double him, and get after Tannehill like the Saints did.
     
  15. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    From peeking in at a Pats forum, he's nursing tennis elbow, and evidently had some kinda lower body ding today.
     
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  16. Cashvillesent

    Cashvillesent A female Tannehill fan

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    Tennessee got Mariota for one snap today and they lined up Tannehill as a reciever.

    I thought that was an interesting trick play. They'll need some next week to confuse Belichek
     
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  17. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    Was pretty cool towards the end of the game- coach wanted to pull Henry but he was within 50 yards of the rushing crown for the year. Stare-downs ensued, and Henry went back in....only to jump off-sides and be pulled right back out. He was back in a few plays later though and just kept chipping away until he broke loose for that final long TD run.

    He is a freaking bull and I think the Titans are built really well for the playoffs. Maybe they use some of our concepts on defense to beat the Pats (rush 3, cover/contain with the rest) but on offense, they're going to run between the tackles and eat NE alive off play action. After watching both teams play all season (since my brother is a Pats fan), I think Tennessee wins that game convincingly.

    Brady has just been off this year- he's not throwing accurate passes consistently and he seems a touch slower in the pocket. I'm thinking this may be his final year...but I really hope he hits free agency, ends up somewhere else, then gets embarrassed next year without Ernie Adams telling him every move to make.

    By the way- want an AWESOME, EPIC read on Brady? Check out how he's battled "Swamp Butt" in the huddle throughout his career. I literally still laugh about that and wish the original article was on a free site- he basically sexual assaults his centers by pulling their pants out and dumps baby powder all around, then stuffs a sock where the sun don't shine.
     
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  18. Cashvillesent

    Cashvillesent A female Tannehill fan

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    The chronic failure to upgrade the WR position has really bit them hard at this point. Pretty safe to say the Sanu move has been a flop. Brady is crippled by Edelman playing at likely <50%. He lacks trust in his other options largely because they deserve none, and Edelman is the only one who can do what Edelman does. I would actually not be shocked to see them go one/done.
     
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  19. Hoops

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    You sure did. League leader in 2019 for passer rating.

    Don’t quit your day job
     
  20. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    With that Henry thing, the HC told him (when he was 8 yards shy of the title), "you get 2 plays, that's it," but he busted out that TD on the 1st one lol. Tannehill and others had been hyping up the OL and campaigning to the coach to git'r'dun.

    And on Brady, if the Pats fans are right, and many of them seem to agree, Brady has tennis elbow going on. His last 8 weeks overall have been pretty putrid, by his standards.

    I hope the Titans can put the smack down. Close, blowout, don't care...get the W. But, as we've all learned over the last 20 years, you can't count out Belicheat. The one thing that gives me hope is how accurate Tannehill has been, and NOT just to AJ Brown. He's laid dimes on 3rd string TEs, back-up RBs, all of their WRs, it's just been great to watch. That throw to AJ at the 1 today was pure insanity, and the one to Sharpe that got dropped was a great throw too...right in the mitts...very bad drop on 3rd down.

    I don't believe Brady's ego will let him retire (and that was another funny thing...tons of Pats fans on their forums want him to). I also don't think he has another elite year left in him. He'll still be "good," but not Patriots good...and that's not good enough on most teams. Wouldn't mind watching him flounder and fail on some other team for a year before he hangs up the cleats.
     
  21. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    And YPA, and explosive play %, and AY/A, and YPC, and red zone TD%, and #3 in completion % with a greater than 3:1 TD/INT ratio.

    6 of his 9 starts over 120 passer rating.

    Damn scrub...

    Edit: Sorry, I forgot, the stat that matters, ran for 4 TDs.
     
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  22. KeyFin

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    ....and possibly the most vicious tackles of the year on one of his few INT's. So enough of this stuff that he can't play defense....
     
  23. The_Dark_Knight

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    The thing is though, Tennessee is so balanced that Belichick isn't going to be able to cover all of it all of the time. If New England stacks the line to stop Henry, that's leaving Brown one on one against the most accurate passer in the league. If Belichick double teams Brown, that leaves Henry open to be able to bulldoze the Patriots' front 7.

    The Titans are a team BUILT for the playoffs...offensively that is. A SOLID OL, an effective running game, a great receiving corps and a quarterback that can throw the ball and hit a dime a mile away.

    Defensively however? Oh the Titans do have issues there.
     
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  24. Fin-O

    Fin-O Initiated Club Member

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    I love TN +5.5 and the UN 43.5

    Results of the game can go either way, it is NE in Foxboro after all...

    I see a 21-17 type of game.
     
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  25. Phins_to_Win

    Phins_to_Win Well-Known Member

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    Yep, the debate needs to be over. At least the one that have plagued these boards for the last couple years.

    Can he be the on field leader? Yes
    Can he elevate the play of the other players on the field? Yes
    Can he lead a team to the playoffs? Yes
    Does he deserve to be a starter in the NFL? Absolutely
    Can he have a year where he plays at a top 10 level? Just look at the stats

    It was another exciting game from him too. I don't know how anyone that likes football can't be impressed by what they see from him.

    Those guys that are doing mental gymnastics to try to disprove the obvious needs to take a breath, calm down, and watch him play. You don't have to like the guy, you don't have to cheer for the Titans, but give the guy some respect for what he has done this year.
     
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  26. Silverphin

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    Funny thing was, according to the announcers (who, I must say, did a good job of actually explaining the whole "Tannehill used to be a wide receiver" story), Ryan Tannehill was considered a safety prospect, and actually played as a defensive back in his sophomore year in high school.
     
  27. shadokp

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    We have seen this before - never count out the Patriots. Would anyone be surprised that they suddenly figured it out and run the table? Seems unlikely but imagine if they did it - the Pats and fans would be even worse than they are now. I hope yesterday's game has an impact on the Pats not getting to the SB. I hope Tannehill can follow through and win.
     
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  28. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    Ya their defense is missing some starters, so they're not playing near the level they were in the first half of the season...gonna be a long road w/o being able to pressure the QB.
     
  29. KeyFin

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    We sure didn't count them out yesterday...I think all of us were waiting for that last-second hail mary or some gimmick play to get them back in the game. Instead, we got the desperation Miami Miracle stuff and our boys completely shut it down.

    All I know is that Tennessee is 10x the team we are and they SHOULD win that ballgame.
     
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  30. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    We have never seen this before. They have never backed into the playoffs going 5-4 in their last 9 games (same record as Miami the last 9 games hahahahaha), with that offense looking like it has for a couple months now. They've NEVER progressed through the post-season starting in the wildcard round...0/3 in getting to the Super Bowl in that scenario. So no, we have never seen this before, at least successfully for them.

    They thought they had the ship righted with wins over Cincy and Barfalo, two teams they should absolutely man-handle, even the Bills (who they barely beat), at home, but those weren't signature, Patriot-dominating wins IMO...Brady at 50% completions just sticks out...their defense's back is hurting something awful from carrying them all year...and this week, it fractured a little...and they now don't have an extra week to get everything ready. The road to the Super Bowl goes through 2 OTHER teams before it gets down to the Cheaters...and both of those teams beat them this year, one at Foxboro.

    Brady has been having elbow issues (tennis elbow) for the past several weeks, according to several Pats fans. That extra week to rest it sure would've been nice for him. He's almost 43 years old...these things will linger longer the older he gets, father time is undefeated.

    The most STAGGERING indictment as to the state of the current Cheatriots team, is their refusal to go for a drive/points at the end of the 1st half. They had a golden opportunity to be sitting at 1:45 on the clock or so, with 2 time-outs. THE PATRIOTS. The team that has made its living off scoring right at the half, then getting the ball back first in the 2nd half. I haven't seen a team quit on the half like that since old "Queasy" Joe Philbin did it in Buffalo. Absolutely mind-boggling, and telling at the same time. Something else we've never seen before.
     
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  31. KeyFin

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    Let's not forget that the Dolphins are "technically" the worst defense in the league. That's a little misleading since we've played much better the last four games, but it's not like we had world-beaters back there shutting the Pats down. They couldn't run on us consistently (their bread & butter with old Brady) and we consistently broke up passes down the stretch when it really mattered. Our secondary deserves a ton of credit because they really came thru late in the 4th.

    One other thing I noticed is that New England got some critical penalties in that 2nd half that killed drives...they're just not the same highly disciplined team from the beginning of the season and the last decade.
     
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  32. The Guy

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    The analysis of the player depends on the question being asked about him. The questions highlighted above prompt various kinds of analyses of the player. The question for me personally is whether Tannehill possesses the ability to consistently perform like one of the top six quarterbacks in the league.

    The reason why that question is important is because, with all else equal, a team is very likely to make the playoffs if its quarterback is functioning at that level. Top-six quarterback play generates two more wins in a season on average, which takes a team from the expected 8-8 to 10-6, or playoff range, as a function of quarterback play alone. Quarterbacks playing below that level don't provide that contribution to their teams.

    There's a reason why the teams quarterbacked by the likes of Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady, Drew Brees, and Russell Wilson are almost always in the playoffs. When a team drafts a quarterback in the top 10 overall, as the Dolphins did Tannehill, it's seeking that kind of quarterback, one that maximizes its chances for future playoff berths on a consistent basis.

    This is what we all wanted Ryan Tannehill to become when the Dolphins drafted him. Whether he is that kind of QB remains to be seen, because the QBs who have that kind of ability don't just do it for one season. They do it consistently.

    I'm not saying that can't happen. I'm just saying no one can know yet whether it will.
     
  33. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    Fun fact: 2019 Brady = 2019 Brissett

    Brady passer rating: 88.0
    Brissett passer rating: 88.0

    Brady completion %: 60.6
    Brissett completion %: 60.6

    Brady YPA: 6.6
    Brissett YPA: 6.6

    Brady sacks: 27
    Brissett sacks: 27

    How unfortunate...
     
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  35. Phins_to_Win

    Phins_to_Win Well-Known Member

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    Thats a legitimate discussion to have. My post was mainly directed towards some of the more drastic overstated short comings of Tannehill that we have had on these forums over the last few years.

    He has faced probably some of the longest odds imaginable on his climb out of the wreckage of his Miami Tenure into NFL relevance again.

    I will say that it should at least cause some pause that a few people on these forums predicted this type of output from him if he ever did get competent surroundings, but I completely understand there are different thresholds for people to change their minds.

    I honestly wish people didn't feel the need to dig in on one side or the other so much that they can't enjoy seeing a former Dolphin playing great football. Not directed at you, just something I wish we could get a little more of in general on the forums.
     
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  36. cuchulainn

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    Ryan Tannehill completed better than 70% his passes for more than 9 yards per attempt this season.

    The last time that happened in the NFL was Joe Montana in 1989.
     
  37. KeyFin

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    There was one play in the 4th quarter yesterday where RT was under pressure, slid to the right a little bit in the pocket and then completely stopped for a micro-second and looked back at the rusher behind him...only to think to himself, "Oh, I'm okay." Then he stepped forward in the pocket and threw a cannon of a pass at the LOS.

    That stuck me as funny because I've never actually seen an NFL QB fully turn to look at what the pressure is doing behind him. Maybe someone yelled something to get him to turn back...I don't know. I still think he has hearing problems or maybe focuses so hard downfield, he forgets that people are trying hard to take him out.
     
  38. The Guy

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    Yeah for me personally the highlighted portion in the post above is far less about Tannehill and far more about a study of the quarterback position in the NFL, which I've done a good bit of. In this case what we have a study of is whether a QB can perform like Tannehill did for six seasons and then become one of the best (again that means top-six) QBs in the league. That would be the first time in history that happened that I'm aware of, but again we need the appropriate amount of time to make that determination.

    You could replace Tannehill with any QB in the league who had the same history and I would've made virtually all of the same posts with regard to that QB as I have with regard to Tannehill in this thread.
     
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  39. The Guy

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    Given that the topic is Tannehill, it'll certainly be interesting to see what happens when he goes into Foxboro in the playoffs against a team that surrendered a league-leading 62.8 passer rating this year (the league average was 90.4). That'll be by far the best pass defense Tannehill has faced with the Titans.
     
  40. rafael

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    IMO the main takeaway should be about how much circumstances impact a player's performance. I often argued that if Tannehill had been drafted by Seattle that he would probably have a SB championship and be viewed very differently. I've maintained that his skill set gave him at least top 10 QB potential and maybe top 5 stats. At this point I believe those arguments have been confirmed. I also believe that if another team had taken Brady that we may have never heard of him again. I've said the same about Montana. And Brady and Montana are arguably the GOAT. That's how big of an impact the situation can have.
     

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