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Coaching Changes! (Guge, O'Shea, Oden gone...so far)

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Galant, Dec 30, 2019.

  1. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    Definite positives, but also some big negatives. The complete and utter lack of even the pretense of a running game was a giant issue, and one that can't simply be written off to talent. Also some rumors that O'Shea was big on Rosen but failed to do much with him, and that perhaps the Rosen/Brady style of QB that O'Shea seems to prefer is not the direction that Flores and Grier wanted to go.

    Gailey is unlikely to be a long-term guy, and is likely a placeholder here to install a more spread oriented offense. Whether the plan is to groom Schuplinski and let him focus on a rookie QB as some seem to suggest or whether it's something else entirely, who knows. But I would not bet on Gailey being here more than maybe 2-3 years tops.
     
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  2. AGuyNamedAlex

    AGuyNamedAlex Well-Known Member

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    I dont get how you cant pin the lack of running game on talent. Our backs are barely NFL roster caliber. I'd say it was probably our least talented position on the field.

    One of the next least talented is the offensive line which is what a back relies on aside from their own talent.
     
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  3. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    Talent may have played a part ... but our OL was built more out of run blockers than pass blockers and our backfield had a number of young backs with potential. And we proceeded to maybe have the single worst rushing attack ever. Our 38 year QB, never really considered a super mobile QB, lead our team in rushing. That is an absolute disaster.

    Going into this season, how many people would have predicated vastly greater gains from our receiving corps than our running corps? Probably nobody, yet here we are. Like, it's hard to appreciate just how bad that rushing attack was. I am surprised we aren't looking for a new RB coach to be honest, but I guess his pedigree is getting him another look.

    Ultimately, while the lack of a running game probably played a part, the main rumors suggest philosophical difference (O'Shea wanting a Pats style attack with traditional pocket QB vs. Flores wanting a more spread attack with a running threat at QB) and overall lack of confidence in his ability to develop into a high tier coordinator versus just a receivers coach/passing coordinator.
     
  4. Patster1969

    Patster1969 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Or because you have nothing positive to say about Flores?

    And because the defense did nothing - riiiiiiiiight. Pick 6 against Brady - no? Held the NE running attack to make Brady beat them, which he couldn't? Everyone thought Joe Mixon would run over us when we played the Bengals - he didn't?

    I am not saying that I wasn't surprised by the firing but there was obviously something in the background which we will likely not find out about.
     
  5. AGuyNamedAlex

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    I didnt say anything positive or negative about the defense because Flores isnt the DC so its irrelevant to me honestly. Especially if we are just talking about one game and not a body of work.

    If you think I have nothing positive to say you'd be wrong. However I'm not going to not talk about potential problems. I dont wear aqua tinted glasses.

    Positives:

    Disciplined Team
    Very Little Drama
    Amazing on field effort
    Decent gameplans. Not the best or worst IMO
    Found a few guys like Rowe who settled into spots.

    I can keep going. Doesnt mean there cant be reasons for concern too.
     
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  6. Patster1969

    Patster1969 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    But it's Flores's defensive scheme, so it's not irrelevant
     
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  7. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    This is exactly correct! Every head coach has his own scheme, be it offense or defense. While that head coach has a coordinator, the offense/defense is HIS. That's why he was hired in the first place.
     
  8. AGuyNamedAlex

    AGuyNamedAlex Well-Known Member

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    Okay, if you want to judge Flores based on the defense it's a huge negative. The unit was one of the worst in the league.

    I was honestly being kind by not including that for several reasons including talent. However, if you want to include it the defense was a dumpster fire most of the year.

    On the other hand the Pat's defense more or less maintained itself despite the offense doing less of it's part.

    Again though, I'm not attributing it to Flores. He doesnt call plays plus didnt have the talent to succeed even if he did.

    I have no idea why youd want to bring the defense into this.

    Btw on the pick 6, it was literally nothing anyone on defense did. Brady literally threw a duck under no serious pressure that went directly in between two receivers. His receivers were actually open and a good throw is probably a big gain because one defender was covering two players.
     
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  9. Patster1969

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    I'm not saying it was brilliant but you have to admit it improved as the season went on (there's no other away around the first few games of course apart from them being a dumpster fire). There were far less mental breakdowns than under previous HC/DC's and you could see that, even with the secondary being totally asset stripped due to injury/toys out of the pram (Minkah), players were making plays and doing their job. Joseph & Burke couldn't get a top defensive performance out of the players that they had and the talent between their defense & what Flores had, even for the last few games, was night & day. As I mentioned, they held some good running backs to not a lot of yardage over the 2nd half of the season. I am excited as to what they can achieve with some better talent/players back from IR.

    I'm sure that Flores has a hand in preparing the D for the week with Patrick Graham, so he has to take some of the credit?

    I'll have to have a look at the interception again, as I thought that Rowe had the guy closer to the LOS & made a good play on the ball and there was help over the top on the deeper guy - might have missed that. Admittedly, it was not a great throw but he still had to make a play on it.
     

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