I mean, I'd hate it because the Patriots would continue to dominate. But I'd get some evil pleasure from watching Tannehill dominate in the AFC East.
I’d be good with it. It would be a good fit for tannehills game and who knows maybe beli could take the ceiling even higher. There’s a lot of similarities in Brady and tannehill in terms of style of offense and fit. Whether anyone wants to believe it or not. but if I’m Ryan before I sign I’d be trying to coax gronk out of retirement so I have a stud in line tight end that can also still make plays in tbe passing game: that dude in his prime gave dcs nightmares. I don’t know if people understand how much of a mismatch Gronk was. How much he could dictate to the opposition gameplan wise. He could handle des as a blocker and was murder in the run game and then he’d hulk smash dbs like kindle wood as a ball carrier after the catch. Win flex win split win from in line. An assassin. There was years there where he was absolutely a top 5 league wide mvp nobody talked about the pats lack of a difference maker on the boundary when that guy was there. They didn’t need it
People totally ignore Brady's stat difference with and without Gronk. I've been telling my pats fan friends all year is the biggest difference is no Gronk.
absolutely. Last year he looked like attrition was catching up witb him somewhat but man was that guy the goods. I never seen a tight end press a de with one arm extended and have the other free and just vapor lock him. he did that stuff to ziggy ansah in ansahs prime and I was like this kids absurd. He can eliminate guys with one arm lol
This year teams just doubled Edelman situationally and Brady either stayed on him too long or didn’t trust anyone else to make a play/didn’t have a win option
Are you saying a lot of posters determine their judgments based on a bowl? Isn't that similar to reading tea leaves, but using turds?
I dont think it's a lot I guess, but I've definitely seen comments like Herbert or Hurts will fail because look at their Bowl game. They may fail but it wont be because of something we see in that one game alone. There is an entire season plus of tape of both.
I agree with all of the above. With regard to the highlighted portion above, there is a sound way of determining the win probability added (or subtracted) associated with a play. Clutch situations can be defined as ones in which plays have the ability to change win probability by comparatively large amounts. For example, Tannehill's pass to Firsker on 3rd and 8 the other night, which put the nail in New England's coffin, was associated with a jump in win probability from 67.1% to 75.4%. That's quite a jump, and people intuitively remarked about it in this thread for that reason. That was a clutch play. This is true, but I'd also say that the degree to which that further exploration is necessary is a function of the quarterback's statistical performance. If a quarterback performs statistically either extremely well or extremely poorly in a single game, it becomes less likely that surrounding factors (i.e., drops, etc.) are responsible for the bulk of that kind of performance. In other words, a quarterback who posts a passer rating of let's say 55 in a game was probably not drops or other surrounding factors away from having a good game, or even an average game. The same can be said for a quarterback who posts a passer rating of let's say 135 -- he probably wasn't the beneficiary of surrounding factors in terms of the bulk of his performance.
I’m willing to bet anyone if Herbert fails it’s cause he doesn’t have it between the ears. That Oregon offense is qb for dummies. So either it’s a qb can’t handle more or the oc is a joke. Nfl teams in tbe qb draft market have to figure that out.
I've stopped reading at post 3400. I called it, what was going to happen after the Titans/Patriots game... If Tannehill wins, the naysayers will say yea but... If He loses, the naysayers will say I told you so... This conversation will continue well after the Ravens game...even if Tannehill has a stellar game.
It's a weakness because to the degree that a quarterback is dependent on other parts of the team for his own individual performance, the question becomes whether those other parts of the team can be sustained. A ridiculous example illustrates the point: a very good high school quarterback might be able to play individually at a winning level in the NFL, but only if his team could surround him with the best 10 other offensive players in the history of the game. Obviously that quarterback's winning-level performance is dependent on something that can't even happen, which hamstrings his team completely. Likewise, NFL-level quarterbacks vary in the degree to which they depend on their surroundings for their own success. The ones who are more dependent on their surroundings cause their teams to maintain those surroundings, which isn't easy. Injuries, free agency, retirement, poor draft picks, poor trades, poor free agent signings, etc. -- all of those kinds of things can interfere with the sustainability of the quarterback's surroundings and make it difficult for the quarterback who depends on them to perform at a winning level.
I would be delighted with that, because I believe Tannehill can't get a team through the playoffs in today's NFL. Therefore a division rival would have a critical ceiling on its performance and make it easier for the Dolphins to proceed through the playoffs, given sufficient talent of their own.
Whether the Titans win or lose is immaterial. The question for me is whether Tannehill can play in the playoffs at a level associated with winning. The Titans won the other day, and Tannehill's overall performance would be associated with 83 losses out of every 100 games he played in that manner. We just happened to see one of the other 17.
Your question used to be could Tannehill play at all. And it wasn't;t a question, you were sure eh couldn't. Funny it changed after he proved that wrong.
No wonder Joe Philbin got queasy. Some of these throws aren't what most would consider high-percentage, but it is fun to watch.
A 15 pass sample size is simply not a large enough sample size to make that claim and you know it. This is why it is obvious that you are trolling with an agenda.
Titans only possessed the ball for 11 minutes in the first half. That’s surprising. fun fact when the ravens beat the pats in the 09 playoffs I believe in New England joe flacco threw the back a whopping 10 times. pretty sure they won the whole kit and caboodle that year. (Not saying I see the titans doing that)
What?? I’m confused, so you are telling me that I don’t argue in good faith? Just so we’re on the same page here.
Not talking about you. None of my posts were referring to you. I apologize to you and the other poster if I was unclear.
Odds are good if the titans get smoked this week you will be able to look to the los as to why. Usually when someone gets it handed to them it’s cause they got destroyed at the los and on both sides of it I’m not expecting that but an extra week is a huge advantage.
Talk about a level of play associated with winning in the NFL. In spades. Now, if that's the gameplan against the Ravens, we could see a chunk of that. That game is playing with house money anyway. Those Ravens, as a team, are ridiculous right now. Elite Defense, Elite (unstoppable) Offense...is ANYBODY gonna beat 'em?
That 10 point spread for this I think was conservative. Ravens are insane man...only lost 2 games, and those were way before their defense got rolling. EASILY the best defense 2nd half of the season.
10 point line in favor of the ravens I think that should be more 13. But maybe that Lamar first game in the postseason thing is playing into it. I don’t buy it. That team bludgeons people downhill.
But if the far superior team beats the upstart missing key players on both sides of the ball, it'll be Tanny's fault.
ha I was just thinking that line was low. Ravens always beat up miami at the los I don’t think it will be easy vs the titans o line but I could see 200 plus yards rushing and 400 total yards or more easy out of that ravens offense.
That’s kinda like when we played Detroit years ago and everyone blamed tannehill as their dline literally whooped us all over the field. It was a massacre at the los. I’m not sensing that this week witb the titans but I do think Tennessee’s gonna have a hard time with that o.
At this point it’s pretty much all gravy though. They made the postseason after a 2 and 4 going nowhere start and sent the yearly juggernaut patriots home in New England. May have ended the Brady era in New England in the process. The rest is gravy.
Because this is a tannehill thread I would think one just needs to watch his play in isolation to know what level of performance he reaches..variables change all the time, olines break down, pockets break down...The Qb needs to be able to navigate through it and make enough plays to help the team convert and win.. Ryan right now has an outstanding run game and a very good oline..if the topic here is can ryan win when all variables are hi level then I’m not sure you would get much disagreement..
I’m fully capable of that I’m just not gonna blame him for things that aren’t in his control or his responsibility. For example that int last week he owns it that fumbled snap he owns it climbing the pocket and having the ball knocked out of your hands that stuff happens to the best of them but he still owns it. the rest of it nah. Guys being held at the top of the route leading to slight overthrows nah. Balls placed where they should be but the db uses a crafty arm to keep the WRs arm down not called not on the qb. Etc. just like he owns tbose back to back play adjustments at the los to ice the game. One of which was called for an illegal formation. He doesn’t own that cause the tight end shifted to the other side left the left tackle uncovered and witb the clock going down he can’t verify it. He has to snap it.
Yes I’m sorry, I still don’t trust the player enough where I would sign him to be my franchise Qb, and while it’s jmo, I think we can find a better player, and I would not give up any of my first round picks for him..that’s really all it came down for me at the end here, I didn’t think his game was good enough to lead us all the way, always respected him as a man, a father, and a tough Miami Dolphin, always, and anyone who comes here from other places randomly and starts spewing things like they know me, and “if you all only knew about me” well, I’ve been on this board since inception every day, and everything I’ve ever said is here or anywhere else is here for the reading, so I have nothing to hide....
I thought we were done with this but I’m not insecure about a thing. Anything football related you want to step to the plate on I’m here. Always will be. Told you as much. That goes for anyone. I’m not flying off the cuff. the one liner stuff doesn’t work witb me. If you want to carry yourself as something when I ask you to explain your side of it based on what I’m seeing don’t come at me with some “do better next time” nonsense cause I know better than that and I can see through it. Im held accountable for things that I didn’t even scout for some reason. Miami wasn’t in the qb market so I wasn’t even looking. but I do have to take responsibility for saying and thinking even that russell Wilson early on as in that first 5 years was propped up by the defense and run game. It’s hard not to potentially think that when you have a yearly top 5 run game and all time 5 year run defense. But he’s more than that I will give you that. Yep. He’s more run first then I prefer and they run a lot of 4 vertical concepts to take advantage of carry coverage with his legs etc or at least they used to use his legs more but he’s a pinpoint passer down the field and he’s got the reputation for rising to the occasion in big moments. And that’s well deserved. But at the same time I didn’t even have him on my board as he was what 5 foot 10 and at the time no one drafted a qb high that size and heck he lasted til the 3rd round even.
How do you see the Titans receivers and TE ability to get separation in this game? Last week it was basically just a scrubby TE that got open for a few plays.
Well you know what, if tannehill kills the ravens and shows over a larger sample size he is the man, then my miss evaluation on him will be no worse than you calling Wilson average and a fad, while I said he would become an elite Qb superstar predraft, so maybe you should simmer down some when debating a different opinion than yours.