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Ryan Tannehill

Discussion in 'Other NFL' started by bbqpitlover, Oct 16, 2019.

Ryan Tannehill is...

  1. A terrible QB

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  2. A below average QB

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  3. An average QB

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  4. An above average QB

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  5. An elite QB

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  6. The GOAT.

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  1. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    Not exactly sure WHAT you're saying here but the Raven's all but abandoned the run when they were down 14-0 in the 2nd quarter. There was NO NEED to do so. There's still ALOT of football left, but the Ravens went into full blown panic mode..."gotta throw, gotta throw, gotta throw."

    The truth of the matter is that Jackson himself, granted it was in "garbage time", still rushed for 143 yards. Could'a, should'a would'a...the Titans defense played beautifully, but had the Ravens' stuck to THEIR game plan, exercised some discipline and patience, could the game had a different outcome? Maybe...possibly, but when you abandon your game plan so early in the game, you've just doomed yourself. There were many plays during the game, on both sides in which Tennessee and Baltimore ripped of long runs. The difference is that Tennessee stayed true to their game plan and Baltimore didn't. One team dominated the game; one looked like a broken, desperate team.
     
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  2. FinFaninBuffalo

    FinFaninBuffalo Well-Known Member

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    Gotta love Tannehill. Here is the end of one of Henry's long runs. The ball comes out after he hits the ground, but the Ravens are playing like it is a fumble. Check out who jumps on the Raven's player. Ryan F*****g Tannehill. He is 70 yards down the field....
     
  3. FinFaninBuffalo

    FinFaninBuffalo Well-Known Member

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    Well, the site isn't allowing me to include the still image.
     
  4. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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  5. Bumrush

    Bumrush Stable Genius Club Member

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    Don't overlook Harbaugh with boneheaded moves either.

    Going for it inside his 50 on 4th and 1 with the Titans up 7. Tannebomb immediately after they failed to convert.

    Not using his timeouts (earlier) to end the half, as the clock ticked. Took away at least two more chances at the end zone.

    Not kicking the field goal to make the score 14-9 after their first 2nd half possession. 4th down fail. Turned the game as the Titans scored a TD on the ensuing possession.

    His in game management was very poor IMO.
     
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  6. resnor

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    He's saying that despite the big numbers that Jackson put up, he was exposed as a passer.
     
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  7. Bumrush

    Bumrush Stable Genius Club Member

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    Anyone can be exposed as a passer on any given week. The guy threw for 35+ TD passes this season and had a record breaking season.

    Most QBs go through difficulties in the playoffs when they are young. It's part of the process.

    He has room for improvement. And will get even better.

    Also, don't discount the Titans D. They came to play and were basically draped on the Ravens WR's all game.

    Now I do chuckle at the comparison to Mahomes. I'd take Mahomes 1000 out of 1000 times over Jackson. They are not in the same league let alone stratosphere.
     
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  8. Hoops

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    exactly. As a pure pocket passer and secondary progression qb he was exposed. But the ravens o is designed in the pass game to give him easy primary reads provided you can maintain the sticks and work off the run game. Run game being inside and off tackle and the qb outflank and crease you down the middle ability.

    you take it away and force him to beat you from the pocket with reads and his arm and he gets exposed.

    that entire gameplan was built around the pistol and what comes out of it run and pass game. And they didn’t have any plan b other than read option which we didn’t see mucb of cause the qb execution in anything else in terms of drop/read ask is completely sub par.

    surprised there wasn’t much read option but that’s hard to pivot to when you are chasing the scoreboard.

    a front runner gameplan with a front runner scoreboard qb skill set.
     
  9. Vertical Limit

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    Tannehill and Aj Brown are both due a great game and I think it will come in the afc championship.. Tannehill gets over 250 yards passing in that game and Henry gets 130 rushing yards. Im not sure who wins, itll be tough if its against Houston.. and it will be tougher playing in Kansas City with that crowd noise and weather conditions.
     
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  10. Hoops

    Hoops Well-Known Member

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    There’s a lesson to learn here. The duel tbreat qb that can’t make consistent plays from the pocket as a passer is by and large fools gold.

    so it’s probably smart we remember tbat cause if that qb with those running instincts in that offense can be exposed any pistol and zone read primary one (ahem Justin herbert) can too.
     
  11. FinFaninBuffalo

    FinFaninBuffalo Well-Known Member

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    I haven't seen anyone call out Harbaugh. Going for it on 4th down at midfield? WTF? Also, at 14-6, you kick the FG. Finally, they abandoned the run way too early. Harbaugh screwed that game up.
     
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  12. Hoops

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    I don’t think they abandoned the run as much as I do that Jackson’s post snap reads in the pistol run sets they were in told him to keep it.

    But it was all out of pistol. If he was a pre snap qb hed have checked out of a lot of stuff at the los. But he’s not. So you start running plays into bad looks post snap.

    and once the titans got them behind the sticks it got ugly.

    somethings no ones accounting for is ryan checking into things at the los. Be it changing run side to the non strength of tbe front etc or situationally.
     
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  13. Hoops

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    Tberes a reason I keep saying pre snap and progression read is the ideal qb.

    and the time held true gold standard.

    it doesn’t need to be propped up.
     
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  14. FinFaninBuffalo

    FinFaninBuffalo Well-Known Member

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    They had 9 carries by RBs. That is not enough.
     
  15. Hoops

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    Yeah but those pistol looks are post snap reads by the qb. So it’s like a variation of tbe zone read but in a pistol with pass sets built into it.

    I agree they should have run inside more but keep in mind 2nd half it was 28 to 6 quick.

    even when they were chasing it they were still in pistol. You can’t chase and stay in that unless the qb is a plus pocket passer. You have to come out but they didn’t cause he can’t play it true shotgun etc on a consistent basis and make consistent throws reads etc.
     
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  16. pumpdogs

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    Must admitt I'm happy for Tannehill even though I bashed the **** out of him on this site.He is a decent dude and the titans were the perfect fit for him.
    But.in saying that his time was up here and I don't second guess the front offices decision to trade him
     
  17. Hoops

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    Jalen hurts would be another example for me and he’s not one half the run threat Jackson is. That guy won’t beat you consistently with reads/throws from the pocket. My advise don’t draft it to play qb.

    exposed. Dcs will eat it up.
     
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  18. Hoops

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    Hey how bout that td tannehill scored on the option? Lol that kid can do any ask in terms of style of o you want to dial up.
     
  19. Hoops

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    If it’s not gonna be pre snap and progression read and the only guy that I really think in this class gives you that is fromm and he’s an average tools guy across the board then I think for me it would have to be rpo and west coast. Keeping in mind that rpo effectiveness is largely sticks dependent. Especially when I have a plus accuracy and placement passer for the west coast ask.

    ahem tua.

    some would say spread and maybe but spread concepts are sprinkled into the nfl all over the place and not really imo that hard to implement into a qbs skill set.

    accurate passer in everything else should make for an accurate spread passer ask. And it can also help hide arm limitation concepts wise.
     
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  20. texanphinatic

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    This. Sometimes you need a fresh start, hit the reset button.

    Titans will have an eventful off-season trying to get deals for their core.
     
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  21. Fin-O

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    If you can’t be happy for Ryan and what he is doing then I think it is safe to say you have a clear agenda.

    You want to blame someone? Blame Adam Gase for never giving him balance.
     
  22. KeyFin

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    I saw that and stared at the replay thinking, "Where the heck did he come from?" He must have ran the sidelines behind Henry because I couldn't see him at all on the tv film.
     
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  23. Hoops

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    And now the pre snap and progression read qb that we dumped largely due to our own incompetence and some rotten medical luck one year later is one win away from playing for the super bowl trophy.

    you couldnt write this script if you tried.
     
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  24. Vertical Limit

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    They got 45 mill in cap space and there will be some restructuring of contracts.. i think theyll get it done no problem
     
  25. Bumrush

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    Don't forget Phibo the clown. Ross made the error of extending him after a meaningless victory.

    Tannehill also has landed in the perfect spot. What comes up doesn't always stay up. Teams will now pay more attention to him and his down field prowess. They'll adjust for him. This also assumes that Henry doesn't continue his dominance even with a stacked box. If he does, there is no reason why the Titans can't sustain their success.

    Gase did give him balance in 2016 when he was basically forced to play Ajayi.. Miami was on a roll..

    Come 2018 and Gase underutilized Drake. That dimwit didn't learn from his limited success in 16.
     
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  26. FinFaninBuffalo

    FinFaninBuffalo Well-Known Member

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    Tannehill is going to catch a TD pass next week.
     
  27. Hoops

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    Rumor is titans will tag tannehill and Henry. Franchise and transition.

    makes a ton of sense from the titans side
     
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  28. FinFaninBuffalo

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    In MIAMI!!!!
     
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  29. Bumrush

    Bumrush Stable Genius Club Member

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    Wow.. isn't that over 40 million combined? Titans would be better off giving Tannehill a three year contract in the 65-70 million range.
     
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  30. Hoops

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    im sure not betting against them next week. I don’t care who they play.

    this has a feel of something special
     
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  31. Hoops

    Hoops Well-Known Member

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    you way low. They better tag him or his agent better be fired if he doesn’t get at least 3 and 90 fully guaranteed.
     
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  32. Bumrush

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    I'm not sure if he gets that on the open market.

    We'll find out soon I guess.

    He also has to factor in the Titans offense and the fact that they single handedly reinvigorated his career. His income went from in doubt to top of the league quickly.
     
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  33. Hoops

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    yeah can’t leave that out! Lol.
     
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  34. Hoops

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    he won’t hit the market. Tag or extension. Going nowhere
     
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  35. Vertical Limit

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    Ingram was injured with a calf and limited all week.. they should hve given Gus Edwards more carries though... instead they got away from the gameplan and kept giving Lamar more throws.
     
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  36. Bumrush

    Bumrush Stable Genius Club Member

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    Exactly. He should take the hometown discount to make it a package deal with Henry.
     
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  37. KeyFin

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    Here's a few things I noticed-

    1) Baltimore was 0/4 on 4th down when they've dominated there all year long. The Titans run D was off the chains exceptional last night and they did an EXCELLENT job of containing Jackson. I think Baltimore went for it on 4th down because they couldn't imagine being stopped.

    2) Jackson threw some lousy passes down the stretch, but he also had several balls dropped that should have been easy catches. Tennessee also knocked away what seemed like a dozen passes in man coverage (was probably 5 or 6 in reality) and only gave up big plays in zone.

    3) For an ultra-mobile guy, Jackson looked almost robotic in the pocket for most of the game. Maybe it was the 4 or 5 sacks that threw him, but he just didn't look comfortable out there.

    4) Tannehill threw two TD passes and ran in another on a sick option fake! On that option play, the DE was frozen in place making the read so Tannehill got him on a pump-fake, then got absolutely crushed trying to dive through that tiny hole. He played a very good game.

    5) Henry was shut down as much as a team can shut him down in the 1st half, just like Tennessee shut down Jackson. Henry found a different gear in the 2nd half though and that Tennessee line became outright dominant.

    6) Looking at the other 5 remaining teams (not counting Tennessee), the road to the Super Bowl should actually get easier for them from here on out. Everyone was scared of Baltimore and New England...now they're terrified of Henry and Tennessee. Tannehill is almost an afterthought behind Henry, that offensive line and that punishing defense, which is exactly why he's been so effective all season long. In Miami, he was expected to carry in Michael Jordan-like fashion while in Tennessee, he can just be a Scottie Pippen that plays smart and compliments his supporting cast.

    7) I'm pretty darn confident that Tennessee makes it to the show this season...they are so well-rounded and playing with a chip on their shoulder. I'd be surprised if they're not the favorites for the last two games! Looking back, can you imagine how Tennessee was 10-point underdogs against Baltimore? I'm not a gambling man and wouldn't have touched that with a 10-foot pole, but I don't think Vegas makes that mistake again.
     
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  38. cuchulainn

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    Losing RB, Mark Ingram, who only had 6 carries in the game was an impact, as was playing from behind. Ravens seemed to be at loss not playing with a lead.

    Other than a few gaffs and missed tackles, the Titans Defense played very well and kept contain on Jackson. He finished with some gaudy but meaningless numbers.
     
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    cuchulainn Táin Bó Cúailnge Club Member

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    Postseason averages:

    Tannhill: 88.3 PR, 52% comp%, 3:1 TD:INT

    Brady: 89.8 PR, 63% comp%, 2:1 TD:INT
    Rivers: 84.2 PR, 59% comp%, 1.4:1 TD:INT
    EManning: 87.4 PR, 61% comp%, 2:1 TD:INT
    MRyan: 100.8 PR, 68% comp%, 3:1 TD:INT
    Brees: 99.6 PR, 67% comp%, 3:1 TD:INT
    Wilson: 96 PR, 62% comp%, 2:1 TD:INT
    Garoppolo: 74.7 PR, 58% comp%, 1:1 TD:INT
    Cousins: 86.6 PR, 62% comp%, 3:1 TD:INT

    Interesting that Matt Ryan has the best numbers of the group, followed by Brees, yet they have 1 SB win between them.
     
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  40. KeyFin

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    Well, the one stat you left out is that Henry has more post-season rushing yards than any RB ever across four games....meaning he's rushed for more in two contests than some of the former greats did from wild-card to Super Bowl. That makes Tannehill's numbers almost irrelevant EXCEPT for adding 5 total TD's to Henry's dominance.
     

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