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Ryan Tannehill

Discussion in 'Other NFL' started by bbqpitlover, Oct 16, 2019.

Ryan Tannehill is...

  1. A terrible QB

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  2. A below average QB

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  3. An average QB

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  4. An above average QB

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  5. An elite QB

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  6. The GOAT.

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  1. Fin-O

    Fin-O Initiated Club Member

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    It was an offsides....the other official tossed the flag for holding.
     
  2. FinFaninBuffalo

    FinFaninBuffalo Well-Known Member

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    I don't remember offsetting penalties. They marked off 10 against the Titans.
     
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  3. The Guy

    The Guy Well-Known Member

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    He actually didn't have a top defense. It was average.
     
  4. FinFaninBuffalo

    FinFaninBuffalo Well-Known Member

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    How was the pass blocking, Travis Kelce, and the receivers.
     
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  5. GoPhins99

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    LOL wow. Garoppolo is way better.
     
  6. Fin-O

    Fin-O Initiated Club Member

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    Not sure what you are trying to get at with this.

    Stop taking facts about Ryan who had a great season and played very well since taking over as some sort of a slight. Everyone (well, most) realizises that Ryan isn't an elite NFL Qb, but that certainly isn't a slight or discredit to what he actually is. A SOLID Qb.
     
  7. FinFaninBuffalo

    FinFaninBuffalo Well-Known Member

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    Trying to explain what should be obvious. Mahomes doesn’t do it on his own. He had all day to throw and wide open receivers. take a look at the SF GB game. It is about to be 20-0. GB has an elite QB. SF does not.

    Should be obvious that the better TEAM usually wins.
     
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  8. Vertical Limit

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    The NFC championship game is a complete bore. Green Bay definitely didnt show up today.
     
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  9. The Guy

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    What today's game underscores is that you need either 1) one of the league's best QBs with at least an average pass defense, or 2) one of the league's best pass defenses with at least an average QB.

    Tannehill functions in effect like an average QB in that he needs a top pass defense to keep pace with the kinds of QBs he's likely to face in the playoffs. He needs his own pass defense to limit them so he can keep up with them.

    The problem however is that such QBs who aren't on their rookie contracts have won only one Super Bowl of the past 15, which suggests that teams need the salary cap space afforded by a cheap QB to surround an average one with enough talent to satisfy the equation above (average QB with a top pass defense).

    And Tannehill isn't on his rookie contract. This is precisely the situation he was in with Miami, and why it made sense to move on from him and target an elite QB.
     
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  10. pumpdogs

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    Why are people still debating tannehill?
    Wasn't 8 years of it enough when he was here.Move on people and worry about our team
     
  11. The Guy

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    It's interesting to contemplate whether the Dolphins made the right decision in moving on from him.
     
  12. FinFaninBuffalo

    FinFaninBuffalo Well-Known Member

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    Did you miss the thread title?
     
  13. The Guy

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    I think the Chiefs win either way. The 49ers' pass defense is good but not good enough.
     
  14. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    I might be wrong...somehow I doubt it, but I don't think Tannehill allowed Kansas City to score 35 points. That would be the Titans' defense.

    I said before this game started that this was going to be a game between Mahomes and the Kansas City offense against the Titans' defense and Tannehill and the Titans' offense against the Chiefs defense.

    Tannehill and the Titan's offense didn't play a "bad" game. They did score 24 points against the Chiefs, which is a respectable score however...

    The Titans' defense had NO answer for Mahome and the Chiefs' offense. Even when the defense had a respectable rush on Mahomes, that kid was able to escape and turn a loss into a gain...and even a touchdown.

    The Chiefs know the sting that the Titans are feeling right now. They themselves were there last year, one game away from the Super Bowl when they were defeated by the better team in the AFC Championship last season.

    I seriously doubt the Chiefs...or any other team in the league will make the same mistake and overlook the Titans next year. I suspect we'll be seeing them in the playoffs for the next few years to come.
     
  15. The Guy

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    Tannehill certainly didn't let Mahomes march up and down the field, but nor did Tannehill's defense allow Mahomes to do anything uncharacteristic for Mahomes. It's not like they let Mahomes explode in a way we don't often see him play.

    If you need the kind of defense that makes the league's best QBs play uncharacteristically poorly so you can keep pace with them, then you need one of the league's best pass defenses.

    And as I've said, assembling and maintaining such a defense isn't going to be likely for any team, let alone one that's paying a QB the going rate at the average level or greater.
     
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  16. Fin D

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    Yeah, Aaron Rodgers sucks that way too.

    Sigh.
     
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  17. The Guy

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    You can argue that Aaron Rodgers is declining and therefore fits into that category, yes. He's now 36 years old.
     
  18. Fin D

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    He lost games in his prime too. He sucks.
     
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  19. Bumrush

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    This game was not on Tannehill.

    Game on the road, after beating the #1 and #3 seed.

    Up by 10 twice in the first half. Tannehill converted some key third downs to keep drives going. Ryan Tannehill played well enough to win. Is he in the same league as Mahomes? Nobody in the world is, and soon it won't even be close.

    Congrats to Ryan. I was wrong about him not being clutch or a winning QB. He clearly was this season.

    As for the Titans I don't envy their position one bit.

    I really don't know what the best course of action is with Ryan. He may revert if the OL play stalls or if Henry leaves and or gets injured.

    If I had to guess they either franchise him or offer him a reduced top tier QB contract with options to walk away after the 2nd year.
     
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  20. The Guy

    The Guy Well-Known Member

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    In Rodgers's prime, given his typical game, he would've given the Titans a better chance of winning than Tannehill did today, with all else equal and with his having to play the kind of game Tannehill was forced to play by virtue of how the game unfolded.

    Would he have lost some games like the one played today? Sure, but we're talking probability.
     
  21. Bumrush

    Bumrush Stable Genius Club Member

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    This I agree with. Fully. To keep up with someone like Mahomes you need close to a dominant defense and an elite QB that can take plays that will typically be failures and turn them positive.

    Tannehill has an elite arm and accuracy but I'm not sure you can get him to improvise to the point where the outcomes of games go from sure losses to possible wins.

    In fairness to Ryan a lot is gained through high level, tight playoff or playoff implication games and Ryan just does not have the volume to be judged fairly.
     
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  22. The_Dark_Knight

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    Some folks just irritate the living crap out of me...

    Tannehill 21/31, 209 yards, 2TD, 108.13 passer rating
    Mahomes 23/235, 294 yards, 3 TD 120.41 passer rating.

    To read some of these posts, Mahomes threw 150 times, completing each and every pass, for 3700 yard and 18 touchdowns while Tannehill fell down in the fetal position crying like a wuss each and every time he was supposed to throw the ball.

    The idiocy astounds me. Folks point fingers at the quarterback and he's either the reason they won or the reason they lost. Such simpleton statements rank with the intellectual level of Forest Gump.

    The whole z-score, quarterback rating level for the playoffs as it pertains to "elite" quarterback winning in the playoffs has already be asserted many times over by a certain poster here in the neighborhood of 105 if memory serves me correctly. Tannehill put up that benchmark. Mahomes put up a little higher than that, so all of you can stop pointing fingers at the quarterbacks.

    Instead, understand that "quarterbacks" play against DEFENSES and in this case, the Titans' defense failed to do what the Chiefs' defense didn't...and by the score, the stats put up...the Chiefs' defense didn't win the overall battle with the offense by that large of a margin...but there were successful in stopping Derrick Henry; something FEW teams were able to do this season.
     
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  23. GoPhins99

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    My mistake. That was a typo on my part. Don't know of a QB in the NFL who has a top ranked defense AND top ranked running game. But if you have a top ranked running game/defense and are average or above average in the other area then as a QB you have no excuse. Tannehill had more than a capable roster around him and still wasn't anything more than an average QB who was ultimately a game manager for the Titans. In the 2 playoff wins he road the coat tails of Henry and the defense playing good. You win games not because of Ryan Tannehill. He simply isn't a franchise QB. Not sure why this is even a debate. Until you have that franchise QB regardless of what else you have on your roster then you're most likely not winning a super bowl.
     
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  24. GoPhins99

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    I find it hilarious how there is a thread about Tannehill here with over 5,000 posts and he isn't even on the team anymore. The Tannehill fans just won't let it go.
    Mahomes could have thrown up his hands and blamed his defense once his team was down 24-0 against the Texans last week but instead brought his team back. Those are the kinds of games that franchise QBs have. Tannehill being a game manager QB needs everything to go well for him in order to win. This is the way it always is with Tannehill proponents. Its always finger pointing at the rest of the team. Franchise QBs put the game into their own hands and find ways to win. They LEAD their team to victory. The Titans only had 7 points the last 2.5 quarters of the game. Once you get a lead on them and neutralize the run game then its over because a guy like Tannehill can't take over a game. That is why he is a liability.
     
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  25. Fin D

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    He lost games, he sucks. Your logic.
     
  26. The Guy

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    But that isn’t anywhere near an unexpected performance for both of them in the kind of game played today in which both QBs threw the ball a lot, and look at the outcome.

    Again this is why the quarterback on the losing side of that battle needs a top pass defense, so the opposing quarterback’s performance isn’t so good and so difficult to beat.
     
  27. Fin-O

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    You can't compare these 2 QB's.....it is simply a mistake if you are a Ryan Tannehill fan.

    The point I made and I stand by is that Ryan is not the type of QB that can put the team on his back and do great things when needed. And again, that is fine....not many can.

    Guy's like Rogers, Mahomes and Wilson obviously do. Pointing out a game when they didn't (GB today) is irrelevant. An QB CAN takeover a game and any QB CAN lose a football game. Pointing out isolated incidents is silly when it comes to this.
     
  28. FinFaninBuffalo

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    Agree to disagree.
     
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  29. FinFaninBuffalo

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    Rodgers franchise QB? He failed to take over this game. In addition, he is about to be 0-5 in playoff games against top 10 defenses.

    Garopollo has 7 pass attempts.

    Team game.
     
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  30. Fin D

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    Saying that even great QBs need a decent team to achieve greatness isn't a direct comparison between Mahomes and Tannehill. It is merely pointing out that the implication that guys like Mahomes don't need a good team around them, is wrong.

    Furthermore, Tannehill absolutely put that team on his back and got them to the playoffs. The only change they made was at QB, and they went from crap to AFCCG. Even Henry's numbers improved with Tannehill over Mariota.
     
  31. FinFaninBuffalo

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    LOL. Rodgers? Pocket awareness?
     
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  32. FinFaninBuffalo

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    Let me be clear, Aaron Rodgers is a great QB, much better than Tannehill but it is still a team game even for HOF QBs.
     
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  33. Pauly

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    Yes when the Chiefs were down by 24 it was Mahomes who caused Bill O’Brien to go for a fake punt deep in his half, and it was Mahomes who caused the forced fumble on the kick-off return, and Mahomes also made a huge kick-off return. So all by himself he dragged his team into 2 short field situations and got a return for a TD.

    The main reason why the Chiefs could claw back from 24-0 down so quickly was the Texans gifting them points and field position. Don’t get me wrong Mahomes did play brilliantly, but he wasn’t marching his team down the field on consecutive 80+ yard TD drives in the comeback.
     
  34. FinFaninBuffalo

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    All the **** Tannehill took for 14 or 15 pass attempts. LOL. Garopolo has 7.
     
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  35. Fin-O

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    The Titans were certainly better when Ryan took over. That being said, you can't give him as much credit as you have for winning these last 2 playoff games then blame anyone BUT him for losing today. Just doesn't work that way.

    Ryan played his role great, but make no mistake that role is to hand the ball off and stay under 20 pass attempts. In layman's terms? Derrick Henry made or broke that offense. If he plays well they have a tremendous chance of winning, if he didn't? His team was pretty much losing.

    If I'm TEN I keep both RT and DH, draft/sign a couple new WR's and Pass Rushers, and you may go ALL the way next year.
     
  36. adamprez2003

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    You would think if any fanbase would understand how football is a team game and this mythical concept of a QB carrying his team doesn't exist it would be Dolphins fans. BOB GRIESE has two rings and DAN MARINO has zero. Who was the better QB?
     
  37. FinFaninBuffalo

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    Why is it necessary to exaggerate? He was under 20 attempts 4 times in 13 games. three of them were blowout wins where the got an early lead. They scored 35, 42, 20, and 28 points in those games. They limited the throws when the got a lead or when the running game was dominating, not to hide the QB.
     
  38. Fin D

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    Yes it does.

    Individual performance is evident.
     
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  39. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    Mahomes' defense shut Henry down and blanketed receivers all game long...and got consistent pressure on the QB...or did that part escape you?
     
  40. gilv13

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    Titans lost. You guys are almost 135 pages in. And I legit don't even know what you are arguing about.

    Its time to lay this thread to rest.

    RIP.
     
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