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Phillip Rivers?

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Puka-head, Mar 12, 2020.

  1. Etrius24

    Etrius24 Well-Known Member

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    I keep hoping that you were bored at work and decided to keep this going out of boredom or whatever. Rivers brings nothing to the table that the Dolphins cannot get from Fitz... Rivers brings nothing to the table that Fitz is not already giving the Dolphins for a bargain price.

    Are you arguing that Rivers will agree to come play here for the league minimum or something?
     
  2. Puka-head

    Puka-head My2nd Fav team:___vs Jets Club Member

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    No. Where did I say that? In fact I said pay him 20 mil a year. And I really don't see how you can just declare Fitz, while I truly love him and what he brought to this team, to be a better option as a starting QB for this team.

    What do you base that on? Rivers v Fitz? Win %? Nope. Yds? Nope. TD's? Nope Completion % career? Nope. QB rating? Nope. Kids? draw. Beard? Fitz wins! Personality? OK Phils a bit of a dick.

    Why do I keep making the argument that Rivers would be a good option for the Dolphins? Majic eight ball aside we can only judge the record. Are you really saying Fitz is better than Rivers based on proven performance?

    Please don't get me wrong. I love me some Fitzmajic. One of the brightest spots of the last half of last season. Would love to have him in a backup role transitioning to a coaching/leadership position. But for the next 2-3 years Rivers would be a better bet.

    He already moved to FL with the family, no income tax etc. 20-22 mil is cheap in todays market. And it helps park some $$$ for 3 years from now when they'll really need it.
     
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  3. Etrius24

    Etrius24 Well-Known Member

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    Rivers with 2 very good running backs.. a top tight end and a top 5 #1 elite wide receiver had a stat line that compared to Fitz

    Look at the QB rating and the TD to INT ratio.

    Again remember that Fitz played behind the worst line in football, with the worst running game in football. And his most promising wide receiver blew out his knee.

    Looking at the stat sheet on ESPN does not work here...

    Your argument is invalid.

    So the only possible reason Miami would want Rivers is to save money? Fitz is inked for what 5.5 million for this coming year? For a starter that has to be the cheapest in Football. ( Not players on rookie contracts. )

    So again I ask you, is your argument that Rivers is going to come here and play for the league Minimum? Because that is the only possible reason the Dolphins would consider it.

    Fitz is twice the leader...The players in the clubhouse love him and respect him... Rivers would never win the admiration of the players like Fitz has.
     
  4. Puka-head

    Puka-head My2nd Fav team:___vs Jets Club Member

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    No your argument is invalid, because you are the only one in it.

    Players love Fitz, you love Fitz, Mrs Fitz obviously loves Fitz. I love what he did for this team and even what he could maybe possibly do for this team if he can do what he's never done and sustain and get better from year to year. Who cares? What have you done for me lately?

    You keep arguing Fitz is a better QB. Last year? Debatable. Career? Not close. YOU are arguing the only reason to keep Fitz is to save money, not me. I never claimed Rivers would save money. In fact I said we would have to pay him more. And once again, we can has boff of dem. And the future.

    So again I ask you, go back to your first BS argument and tell me again how this could be "the worst idea ever" when compared to the examples I posted. For starters.
     
  5. Etrius24

    Etrius24 Well-Known Member

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    The QB was ten years ago does not help the Dolphins now. So you saying Rivers was better for his career... Adds nothing to this conversation.

    What else do you have?
     
  6. Tin Indian

    Tin Indian Rockin' The Bottom End Club Member

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    Never thought much of Rivers to be honest. Always predicted to do this and that but as supposedly great as he is supposed to be, how many playoff games has he won? Heck I think Tannehill had a winning record against him and I always felt San Diego had a superior team in those games. Nah, I'll respectfully pass.
     
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  7. Etrius24

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    That is just it... Rivers has been surrounded by hall of fame running backs and maybe the best tight end to ever play the game ( Gronk is in the discussion as well ) Rivers has had high powered offenses with elite talent around him at the skill positions and he has never won a damned thing. He does not have a winning record in the playoffs. He has never been to a superbowl... He has been playing for what 17 years?

    I love how the argument keeps changing The leadership argument has been debunked. He is not cost effective... Then it gets argued his career is better than Fitz... Not that this does a damn thing for us now that he is pushing 40 and in decline. Thing is even in his prime when he had a Hall of fame running back and a Hall of fame tight end playing on the field with him at the same time he could not win playoff games.

    In an extreme offensive era where the rules are friendly to the receiver and the QB Rivers still just barely has a 2:1 TD to Int Ratio.

    He has never truly been special... Good... Not Great. Thing is he is no longer young or at the top of his game. He is a household name though... I mean we could overpay him for that???

    Still the worst idea ever.
     
  8. Unlucky 13

    Unlucky 13 Team Raheem Club Member

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    I hate Rivers. Passionately. I have since he was a freshman in college and I saw an interview that showed what a total tool he is, and that's only been reinforced over and over since.

    However, I will never judge an individual player based on team wins and losses. Its bad logic.
     
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  9. Wilkimania

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    Joined Indy.
     
  10. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Rivers is a first ballot HoFer.
     
  11. Finatik

    Finatik Season Ticket Holder Staff Member Club Member

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    1 Year - 25mill to Indy
     
  12. ExplosionsInDaSky

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    Wow! I was wrong about Indy!
     
  13. M1NDCRlME

    M1NDCRlME Fear The Spear

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    Good. I prefer to stick with the devil we know. The only over-the-hill washed up QB I would be kind of OK with is (I'm ****ing puking as I type this) Brady, for the right price. I think he has a chip on his shoulder, wants to prove hes not washed up, and wants to stick it to Bellicheat. In MIA he would get that chance twice each season, and he obviously knows a lot of the staff and some of the new players. Whatever shakes out they still need to draft a QB.
     
  14. Puka-head

    Puka-head My2nd Fav team:___vs Jets Club Member

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    Not without a Championship I don't think. He has had the career except for that. last year wasn't his best but the year before he had 35 ish TD's and 4600 yds. Last year the whole team was a disaster.

    I get why people don't like him, he's a cocky *** hole, in the nicest most polite kind of way. And he has a face that just needs punching. But he can sling it, and he doesn't give a **** what anybody else thinks. And I like that. Indy is a good fit. Hope he balls there.

    And I really didn't care if he came to Miami or not. Was pretty sure he was never being considered in fact. Happy with Fitz and a rookie next year. I guess Rosen can stick around too so the rookie can see how not to play QB in the NFL. It was a fun argument any way
     
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  15. Etrius24

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    One thing we need to start evaluating... When Marino came into the league 3000 passing yards a season was the benchmark for a franchise QB.... Now it is 5000. Well with all of the rule changes to prevent hits and protect QB's They are playing longer which means we are seeing guys who were never elite amass 50,000 passing yards for their career and they were never a top 3 QB in the NFL... They just stuck around for 15+ seasons.

    So hell no I would not even consider Rivers a first Ballot and in this extreme offensive era he is questionable whether he belongs in the hall at all. He is Eli Manning without the rings... And Eli is one of the most overrated QB's ever.
     
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  16. resnor

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    Please. The only way one can say he he’s Eli is if you never watched either one play. Lol
     
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  17. Unlucky 13

    Unlucky 13 Team Raheem Club Member

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    I agree. Eli was much better.
     
  18. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    GET OUT
     
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  19. AGuyNamedAlex

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    I agree with you on a lot of things, but I'll take Rovers every day and twice on Sunday if we are talking about their prime.

    Yeah, Eli is more physically talented for sure but his hot/cold streaks were borderline ridiculous. Hed look great for stretches and awful for others.

    I think he was a good QB no doubt, but I would take Rivers.
     
  20. Etrius24

    Etrius24 Well-Known Member

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    Eli for his whole career just threw too many dumb interceptions...

    Oh I watched him plenty.
     
  21. Vinny Fins

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    Phillip Rivers is Jay Cutler without the charm
     
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  22. AGuyNamedAlex

    AGuyNamedAlex Well-Known Member

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    They arent even close to being the same player. Unless you mean old and not as good as they used to be by the end of their careers.
     
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  23. Etrius24

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    They are the same in that neither were elite... Both were overrated and neither of them ever won a damned thing

    How about that?
     
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  24. BucksFinsfan

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    damnit man!
     
  25. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Well I disagree with you guys about Rivers.
     
  26. Puka-head

    Puka-head My2nd Fav team:___vs Jets Club Member

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    The only thing thing Eli was better than Rivers at was having a face that needed punching.

    And having a top defense to cover his ***.
     
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  27. Unlucky 13

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    LOL, I think that he's saying that while Jay Cutler is never going to win anyone over with his "Couldn't care less, go to Hell" personality.....that Rivers is even worse, because he's such a horribly abrasive D-bag.

    If I were making a list of talented players who I disliked due to their personality (excluding criminals), he would be at the very top of my list as a NFL fan for 35 years.
     
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  28. AGuyNamedAlex

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    Probably one of the most ridiculous things I've heard in my life honestly. It's a lazy comparison noone with a shred of football IQ would make.

    You realize most QB dont win a Superbowl and it's a team effort correct?

    Cutler wasnt even an average QB for his career IMO while Rivers has been a top 5 QB most of his career.

    Yes he had Gates for a good while, but his WR talent has always been GARBAGE.
     
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  29. AGuyNamedAlex

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    Blasphemy, but I've heard Marino is an insufferable piece of crap in real life. These guys arent here for us to like them as people.
     
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  30. resnor

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    Yeah, for some reason Rivers has been demeaned by people his whole career. Even last year, he said he was in a Brett Favre mentality. 4th and 15? Screw it. I’m throwing trying to make something happen.
     
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