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Ryan Tannehill

Discussion in 'Other NFL' started by bbqpitlover, Oct 16, 2019.

Ryan Tannehill is...

  1. A terrible QB

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  2. A below average QB

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  3. An average QB

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  4. An above average QB

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  5. An elite QB

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  6. The GOAT.

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  1. xphinfanx

    xphinfanx Stay strong my friends.

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    Wow score for Tannehill!
    Awsome for him.
     
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  2. The Guy

    The Guy Well-Known Member

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    So now the question becomes, what does his impending astronomical cap hit do to the Titans' ability to surround him with the talent necessary for him to play at an adequate level?

    We shall see of course.
     
  3. Dolphin Dundee

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    29 million a year sounds fair and it leaves some room to sign some other players to help the team unlike Prescot wanting 40 the Cowgirls are going nowhere.
     
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  4. Etrius24

    Etrius24 Well-Known Member

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    Nah

    LOL

    Let's talk about Tannehilll forever.

    Glad to see he got paid... He earned it.

    Came back from injury... Endured Adam Gase... Went to Tennessee without a starting spot guaranteed and earned it. Played lights out all season long and led that team. I hope that the Titans add another receiver for Tannehill in the draft... and Keep Henry.
     
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  5. Etrius24

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    Prescott is someone that has won nothing... and had one good season in the NFL.. ( It was a pretty good season I will give him that ) Prescott has always played behind arguably the best line in football with elite weapons... A true #1 receiver and a top 3 running back.

    A year ago the Cowboys offered him 33 million a year and he said no.

    If I am the Cowboys I tag him and draft a QB
     
  6. Cashvillesent

    Cashvillesent A female Tannehill fan

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    If Titans are smart they would add another WR this draft.
     
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  7. Etrius24

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    The titans will tag Henry now and if they Add a Receiver in the first 2 rounds... That offense could be something
     
  8. Vertical Limit

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    They already have a young stud receiver in Aj Brown.. what they need is a vet receiver..
     
  9. Etrius24

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    I like Brown a lot actually... and I think he will grow into a fantastic player. They have a very dependable slot possession receiver... If Brown continues to Develop I like the Dynamic with Henry in the mix. Humphries at times did not get used much because Henry was getting worked over heavily... With Tannehill playing perfect football they got the lead and then held it milking clock and chewing up yards on the ground.

    Check out this article.

    After Tannehill took over for the Titan their red zone efficiency went from #19th to #1st overall in the NFL... Tannehill became just the third QB in NFL history to have over a 70% completion percentage in the Red Zone. Brees and Steve young are the other two to accomplish this.


    So for the people that said he got overpaid and did not deserve a new contract..... Take a closer look at what he did as the starter there last year.

    He took over for a team that as 2-4 and got them into the playoffs and won two playoff games on the road. But overall Tennessee had the #2 scoring offense in football from the minute that Tannehill stepped onto the field as their starter.

    #2 scoring offense in football.

    You pay players for that sh*t
     
  10. Etrius24

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    https://www.espn.com/blog/tennessee-titans/post/_/id/29208/how-two-trades-helped-catapult-the-titans-to-the-afc-title-game
    Here is the link

    https://www.espn.com/blog/tennessee...ped-catapult-the-titans-to-the-afc-title-game
     
  11. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Not to mention, Henry was a COMPLETELY different back with Tannehill under center than he was ever before in his NFL career. Tannehill literally made Henry an absolute beast.
     
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  12. Pauly

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    If Mariota had played like Tannehill they’d have ended up paying him similar money. If neither had worked out they’d be looking to sign someone like Teddy Bridgewater, Tom Brady or Philip Rivers to similar money, but on shorter contracts.

    Short version is the Titans would be on the hook for paying a veteran starting calibre QB veteran starting calibre QB’s money. The way the rest if the team is working they probably wouldn’t be interested getting into drafting a rookie QB and hoping for the best game.
     
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  13. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    They need a Jarvis Landry/Brian Hartline/Devone Bess type receiver. Ryan loves those.
     
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  14. Etrius24

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    I used to really like Landry...

    Then he went to Cleveland ran his mouth and talked all of that Sh*t about Tannehill and the Dolphins. OBJ and Landry did not do a damn thing on the browns... Divas with too much drama.

    Shut up and play football.

    Fook that clown
     
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  15. Etrius24

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    Resnor

    One thing about Tannehill being so athletic and accurate... He is lethal in the play action... He can bootleg and extend it out... and last year he showed patience and touch for screens we never saw in Miami... It was a beautiful thing to watch... It pi$sed me off a little we had morons like Gase and Philbin that squandred Tannehill's talents.

    We have not seen effective screenplays in a Decade in Miami.
     
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  16. Cashvillesent

    Cashvillesent A female Tannehill fan

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    Tannetrill is the perfect for the Titans. Titans have alot of young talent I just hope they can keep Conklin(RT), they need alot of defense help. Especially a legit edge rusher, wich I think that what lost them the game vs Chiefs. They had Mahomes in alot of 3rd and long but Mahomes killed them with extending plays and rushing being nowhere close to existence.

    They are not going to be able to keep both Conklin and Logan Ryan, so they need to keep the oline in tact as much as possible for Tanny.
     
  17. Etrius24

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    After Seeing the Jets flouder and look like **** with Darnold and a world class running back...We know the problem in Miami was Gase not Tannehill
     
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  18. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Imagine if the coaching staff had actually setup the offense to use Tannehill's strengths?
     
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  19. Etrius24

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    Resnor...

    What a radical concept.
     
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  20. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    I know, what a novel concept, right? It’s far better to blame Tannehill and act like he was the problem.
     
  21. Irishman

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    You can't squander talent when the player is not playing i.e. missing over two years of play due to injury.
     
  22. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Tannehill was only in Miami for two seasons?
     
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  23. Etrius24

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    Tannehill was not injured so that he missed two seasons.

    ???
     
  24. The Guy

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    Right, the question isn't whether the Titans made the appropriate decision given their alternatives. The question is whether Tannehill can play at an adequate level when his cap hit potentially precludes his team from surrounding him with enough talent. This coming year he will absorb only 11.4% of the Titans' cap, whereas in 2022 that figure vaults to roughly 17.2%.

    For comparison's sake, the highest percentage of the Packers' salary cap accounted for by Aaron Rodgers in any one season was 15.6% (2019).

    Here's what one of the most knowledgeable present-day NFL writers, Bill Barnwell, had to say about this:
     
  25. AGuyNamedAlex

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    Why do you always refer to the Titans as "they" instead of "we"?

    I'm just curious, it seems odd.
     
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  26. Pauly

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    With the salary cap rising over time I’d expect the 2022 cap hit to come down to an Aaron Rogers type percentage in 2022. Comparing past salary cap% to future % isn’t really an apples to apples comparison. We’ll need to wait until the 2022 off season to see what QBs command on the open market for 2022.

    Bill Barnwell’s criticism basically boils down to “I expect Tannheill’s performance to regress to middle of the pack type numbers, therefore he will be overpaid”. All NFL contracts are bets on future performance. I’ve long argued Tannehill can be a consistent top 10 QB if you build a team and play the type of football the way that Tennessee have.

    If Tannehill can consistently be a top 10 QB over the next 4 years it’s a reasonable contract. If he can be top 5 consistently then it’s a bargain. Even if he’s average he won’t be that badly overpaid compared to what QBs will get. It’s only a bad deal if he is a bottom tier starter.
     
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  27. Etrius24

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    Exactly... If Tannehill is a top 10 QB for the next four years the Titans made a great move.
     
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  28. The Guy

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    No they didn’t necessarily, because any quarterback who isn’t functioning in the top six in the league needs the kind of surrounding talent to win a Super Bowl that Tannehill’s salary cap hit will likely prohibit.

    You can’t have your quarterback accounting for upwards of 15% of your salary cap and expect to assemble the kind of defense necessary to make him competitive against the top quarterbacks in the league, if he isn’t one of them himself.

    We just saw this in the playoffs this past year, when Tannehill got routed by Patrick Mahomes. The Titans will now need the kind of pass defense that can stifle the likes of Mahomes, because obviously Tannehill isn’t going to beat Mahomes himself. And again, if Tannehill’s salary prevents the Titans from assembling that kind of defense, then obviously they stand to simply get beaten again and again by the likes of Patrick Mahomes.

    This is how the NFL functions in the present day and age, where it’s a passing league as they say, and the game revolves around the quarterback.
     
  29. Etrius24

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    The cap keeps going up... So if you say that Tannehill represents 15% of the cap now in 4 years it will represent less. You do not need to be a top 6 QB in the NFL to win a ring. Brady has not been a top 10 NFL QB in a few years. He still won a ring after his decline started.

    The other side of the argument is Dak Prescott ( Who is not a top 6 nfl QB ) wants 40 million... Which means when other QB's have their new contracts come up over the next 2-3 years we could see a salary close to 45 million As insane as that sounds... Salaries never seem to go down.

    Point is that the Titans were not going to get a better QB than Tannehill for less money.
     
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  30. The Guy

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    Don’t be surprised if you see the Titans being beaten routinely in the playoffs, if and when they make them, by the teams with the best quarterbacks in the conference.

    Tannehill has already proven he is unlikely to beat them, and the Titans are unlikely to assemble the kind of pass defense necessary to diminish those quarterbacks’ typical performance.

    When as much of the variance in winning in the league is accounted for by passer rating differential, that’s a losing proposition.
     
  31. The Guy

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    As we see here, the Titans are already having to shed talent to accommodate Tannehill's (and others') new salaries:

    https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id...rade-star-dl-jurrell-casey-broncos-draft-pick

    So, now factor that into Tennessee's ability to diminish the performance of someone like Patrick Mahomes in the playoffs, so that Tannehill can keep pace.

    You either have a top quarterback or a top pass defense. If you have neither, your probability of winning a Super Bowl diminishes considerably. The Titans' pass defense just got weaker to accommodate Tannehill, and given Tannehill's performance against Mahomes in last year's playoffs, it needed to get stronger.
     
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  32. AGuyNamedAlex

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    It's really easy to say a player cant win a SB or is unlikely to when 31 teams lose every year.

    The odds are stacked in your favor for that to be true regardless of Tannehill.
     
  33. The Guy

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    The point is that there is a (low) probability that any team will win the Super Bowl, and that probability becomes even less when a team doesn't possess the ingredients necessary to win one. Those ingredients are either a top QB and at least an average pass defense, or a pass defense that can stop the top QBs, alongside at least an average QB of your own.

    What the playoffs showed last year is that Tannehill is unlikely to outduel the best QBs in the league (e.g., Mahomes), and so the Titans need the kind of pass defense that can diminish their performance and allow Tannehill to be more competitive against them. So they need one of the best pass defenses in the league to win a Super Bowl.

    Well don't look now, but the Titans are already losing defensive players to accommodate Tannehill's huge salary increase. That isn't going to increase their probability of winning a Super Bowl -- it's going to decrease it.
     
  34. xphinfanx

    xphinfanx Stay strong my friends.

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    There's still a draft.
     
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  35. Pauly

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    The Titans would have had to shed talent if they signed any of the FA QBs available. The Chiefs will have to when it’s time to re-sign
    Mahiomes.
    Of the last 10 SB winners, by my count 8 of them were with veteran QBs on veteran contracts.
     
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  36. Etrius24

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    It is worth pointing out that with playoff rankings on the line for both teams down the stretch... Tannehill and the titans BEAT Mahomes last year in the second half of the season. Tannehill and the Titans were 1-1 against Maholmes last year.

    Yes, Clearly Mahomes is younger and is going to have a better career... I fooking love Mahomes But The Titans with Tannehill went on the road and beat Brady...Defending super bowl champs. They went into Baltimore and beat the #1 team in football on the road.

    They lost to the Chiefs in the Championship... But please do not say that the Titans cannot win against top teams or top QB's with Tannehill... He proved that is not true at all.
     
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  37. Pauly

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    Let’s look at the NFL since the introduction of the rookie salary cap as part of the NFL CBA since 2011. This is where the idea of having a good QB on a rookie contract as a path to success in the NFL started. Have a look at the superbowl teams.

    2012 (2011 season) superbowl
    Winner Eli Manning - veteran contract
    Loser Tom Brady - veteran contract

    2013 superbowl
    Winner Joe Flacco - veteran contract
    Loser Colin Kaepernick/Alex Smith rookie contract/veteran contract *the 49ers were paying Alex Smith to be the starter at the beginning of the season then switched to Kaepernick half way through the season. The 49ers therefore did not get a salary cap advantage by starting Kaepernick that season.

    2014 Superbowl
    Winner Russel Wilson - rookie contract
    Loser Peyton Manning - veteran contract

    2015 Superbowl
    Winner Tom Brady - veteran contract
    Loser Russel Wilson - rookie contract

    2016 Superbowl
    Winner Peyton Manning - veteran contract
    Loser Cam Newton - veteran contract *extended his rookie contract before the start of the 2014 season.

    2017 Superbowl
    Winner Tom Brady - veteran contract
    Loser Matt Ryan - veteran contract

    2018 Superbowl
    Winner Nick Foles/Carson Wentz - veteran backup/rookie contracts
    Loser Tom Brady - veteran QB

    2019 Superbowl
    Winner Tom Brady - veteran contract
    Loser Jared Goff - rookie contract

    2020 Superbowl
    Winner Patrick Mahomes - rookie contract
    Loser Jimmy Garropolo - veteran contract
     
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  38. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    So the two on rookie contracts are considered generational, or at least, early-elite guys. REALLY hard to peg those. That's the NFL lottery right there.
     
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  39. texanphinatic

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    The way I look at it is that you need to be convinced that once the rookie deal is up, your guy can consistently make the playoffs despite lacking high-end talent everywhere, and consistently put together some wins.

    THill did that this past season, but hasn't before. It's a risk to invest in a QB who hasn't been consistent in that manner. Now, it could certainly pay off, and I wouldn't be stunned. But I would be even less surprised if they missed the playoffs or got bounced in round 1.
     
  40. Cashvillesent

    Cashvillesent A female Tannehill fan

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    I'm shocked nobody has signed Robby Anderson yet. That dude is a legit WR.
     
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