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Don't be surprised when we don't take Tua.

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by pumpdogs, Apr 5, 2020.

  1. mlb1399

    mlb1399 Well-Known Member

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    It was bound to happen eventually. The long term game for franchise QB’s to minimize the number of hits they take. Easy to do in today’s era, not so easy during Marino’s. Most QB’s who aren’t built like Cam or Roethlisberger just aren’t built for that kind of exposure to hits and last in this league.
     
  2. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    That was also a lack of coaching. RG3 thought he was invincible, like a lot of younger players do. However, before he got hurt against the Seahawks, the best defense in the league (and in my opinion of all time) had no answer for him.

    I know it is an unpopular opinion, but I think RG3 would be one of the better QBs in the league right now if he had good coaching at the beginning of his career that was able to reach through his massive ego.
     
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  3. AGuyNamedAlex

    AGuyNamedAlex Well-Known Member

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    I think if he just hadn't been hurt for whatever reason he would have been fairly successful. Not Peyton Manning but a top 10 QB consistently who has years in the top 5 or so.
     
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  4. firedan

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    What if the frame was twisted and the transmission was slipping?Hope he recovers but I don'i know if he will be the same.Plus his warranty is expired.
     
  5. Etrius24

    Etrius24 Well-Known Member

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    My problem with RGIII and the comparison...

    So the kid hurt his knee and it took a couple years for him to recover.... Why is it that now he cannot throw a football?

    Why is it that even as a 27-28 year old QB he was finished?

    Please do not let Tua be a QB that if something happens and he loses a step of speed and or agility that he cannot throw the ball or be more than a third string backup like RGIII is now.

    It seems that now that RGIII is 30 and has lost a step due to injury and age he is not even worthy of being a starter... His legs were seemingly more important than his arm. Without the electric legs he is trash???

    We need to make sure we draft someone with a strong arm.... Tua's arm is below average and that is a concern.
     
  6. cbrad

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    Has to be a mental issue. I think the key moment was rushing him back after surgery to start week 1 his 2nd year without any offseason activities or preseason games and hitting this massive wall of failure as a result. RG3 has a massive ego, is way too overconfident, and I don't think he knew how to deal with the sudden failure.

    It's one thing if that happens with the right coach and supporting cast, but that was as crappy a situation as he could have been in. Shanahan didn't want RG3 while Snyder did, Shanahan and RG3 quarreled over his transition to a pocket passer, and of course Shanahan repeatedly ignored injury concerns. RG3 actually did come back even stronger from an ACL tear in college, but that was with proper attention paid to the recovery process (and college ball was easier).

    So I think it's mental. No other explanation for the sudden loss in performance given that he was physically capable.

    I'm more afraid of drafting someone with the physical tools but without the football IQ. There are enough QB's with (relatively) weak arms that had high football IQ and were very successful so this shouldn't be an issue. You can argue Montana was one, Brees too, and even Peyton's arm strength wasn't that great. But these guys are accurate and have good football IQ, like Tua.
     
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  7. Sceeto

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    Haha. Yeah, right. ...and even if he is, the first level Tanne just went to the afc championship game, so the 2.0 Tanne? SB, Baby!!
     
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  8. Etrius24

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    Peyton's arm was light years better than Tua ( Before his injuries )

    Montana played 40 years ago...
    Brees has a better arm than Tua Also.

    Yes it is possible to be a very good QB without a cannon...

    But how many QB's with weak arms have there been in the NFL over the last ten years where they were a top 5 QB with a weak arm?

    Because people want to draft Tua at the top of the draft... Half of the Dolphin fans want to trade up to get him.

    If you do not think he can be a top 5 NFL QB.... why would you trade up for him???

    I cannot think of any QB's off the top of my head with weak arms that are a top 5 NFL QB
     
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  9. cbrad

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    How precisely are you measuring arm strength to make such claims?

    Also.. you do realize there are a bunch of sites saying Burrow's arm strength is worse than Tua's, not that I think any of them are actually measuring it. So based on what you said you wouldn't pick Burrow either because of arm strength issues.

    Look.. what matters is how QB's play on the field, not some "measurable" that's just one piece of a much larger puzzle. Both Burrow and Tua are going to be taken top 6 almost certainly (at worst Chargers) so I don't think many GM's share your view.
     
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  10. pumpdogs

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    I guess Nick Saban isnt very smart and that's why Tua can't complete a full season?
     
  11. cbrad

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    I personally don't put Saban's decision to keep Tua in the game with a comparatively minor ankle injury in the same class of severity as what Shanahan did. Maybe you think they're similar. But no I don't think Saban is seriously at fault for Tua's injury.
     
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  12. Irishman

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    It wasn't the FO complaining about Tua, it was Tua saying he didn't get a warm fuzzy feeling from the FO.
     
  13. Irishman

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    Having good coaching and accepting good coaching are not the same thing. Ask RG III.
     
  14. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    He had neither
     
  15. Etrius24

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    Brad

    Not sure where it is .... But there used to be a website that broke down arm strength for Quarterbacks and the scale was 1 through 8...
    Years ago Chad Pennington put a lot of work in working on his mechanics, release and overall strength and his arm got stronger and his throwing velocity went up... And on that website his arm went from a 4 to a 5 on the scale.

    I wonder if I can even find that now... Hmm...
     

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