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Execs on Tagovailoa: 'There is serious concern'

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by The G Man, Apr 17, 2020.

  1. Unlucky 13

    Unlucky 13 Team Raheem Club Member

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    I don't mean to sound like a broken record, but the answer is, if there isn't a QB worth taking in the top ten, then don't take one and force it!

    In 1999, the Bengals took Aliki Smith at #3. Do you think they regret that? The next four picks were:

    #4 Edgerrin James
    #5 Ricky Williams
    #6 Torry Holt
    #7 Champ Bailey
     
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  2. Wilkimania

    Wilkimania Well-Known Member

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    Does having Rosen and Fitzpatrick on the roster make the office a little more comfortable about taking someone like Tua in that even if he can't stay healthy, we have better backups than most to fill in. Not that I would want Tua seeing much of the field this year regardless.
     
  3. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    Maybe. But I think Ross wants a long-term QB.
     
  4. TheHighExhaulted

    TheHighExhaulted Well-Known Member

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    Rosen just turned 23. It's not out of the realm of possibility he could be the future. The abbreviated off-season training camps that will happen won't help him though if they even play at all this season.
     
  5. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    It's not out of the realm of possibility that Rosen will eventually, become a good QB. But not here. He won't even be here next year unless he somehow beats out Fitzpatrick.
     
  6. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    Joe Burrow thrived where everything was perfect. He had the best coach, a NFL staple of receivers, and has played behind a line with first round picks. Let me be clear. This does mean something. When everything is perfect Joe Burrow succeeds. I don't think that the Dolphins will be anywhere near perfect, and I seriously do wonder how he will play.

    Trevor Lawrence thrived where everything was perfect. He had the best coach, a NFL staple of receivers, and has played behind a line with first round picks. Let me be clear. This does mean something. When everything is perfect Trevor Lawrence succeeds. I don't think that the Dolphins will be anywhere near perfect, and I seriously do wonder how he will play.

    Justin Fields thrived where everything was perfect. He had the best coach, a NFL staple of receivers, and has played behind a line with first round picks. Let me be clear. This does mean something. When everything is perfect Justin Fields succeeds. I don't think that the Dolphins will be anywhere near perfect, and I seriously do wonder how he will play.

    Sorry, "he had a good team" is a BS argument. You HAVE to look beyond that.
     
  7. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    Hindsight is always 20/20 and cherry picking doesn't make it better. Think the Chiefs and Texans regret moving up for Mahomes and Watson? Did the Colts regret Peyton?
     
  8. hitman8

    hitman8 Well-Known Member

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    Give me Eason over any of them, although I wouldnt mind hurts.
     
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  9. Unlucky 13

    Unlucky 13 Team Raheem Club Member

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    Payton was the best QB prospect of the last 35 years. There's never been an easier call, even if some people liked Leaf more for some reason.

    And while I'm not as hot on Mahomes and Watson as most of you, I think that they were both better prospects, and will be better NFL players, than Tagovoilia. Mahomes also went to a perfect place for him, with one of the best offensive minds in decades as his HC. That can change everything.
     
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  10. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    That doesn't negate anything though. You are trying to apply hindsight with one cherry picked example to discount someone entirely different who hasn't taken a snap.
     
  11. Unlucky 13

    Unlucky 13 Team Raheem Club Member

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    I'm an extremely cautious and risk averse person, who's looking at a QB who I don't feel has special skills, is small, and is extremely injury prone to boot. He's a big risk no matter how you slice it. Lots of people want to roll the dice and pray it works out, but I'm not one of them.
     
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  12. Surfs Up 99

    Surfs Up 99 Team Flores & Team Tua

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    Remember when we screwed the pooch on Dion Jordan. I would say the miss hurt us pretty bad. With his suspensions and average play, he was pretty much a non-factor. Now, consider if we take a QB with our 1st pick. I think a miss there would be even bigger than missing on Jordan. As you said earlier, we should not risk the pick. If we don't absolutely LOVE the QB at the spot where we are picking (#5 or higher) with our 1st pick then we should go another direction (Simmons, or someone else) and use a lessor pick on the QB. Having a baller like Simmons might help take the pain away from missing on a QB. However, taking a QB in the top 5 and having them bust won't go down as easy if, let's say, our best pick is a just a guy. Coming away with either a blue-chipper or OUR franchise QB is the way to go, IMO.
     
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  13. AGuyNamedAlex

    AGuyNamedAlex Well-Known Member

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    I'd argue the Bengals probably thought Smith was worth that pick. It's not as simple as passing on a guy who isnt worth it.

    There is no such thing as a sure player at any position. Even Chase Young could be a bust or disappointment.

    QB clearly do get over drafted but who is to say those guys have the same careers on the Bengals?

    James might find some success if they can build a line sure, but remember Ricky wasnt considered as living up to his potential fully until he switched teams and youre taking Holt from the greatest show on turf to the Bungles. Hed suffer more than anyone else.

    Champ Bailey doesnt necessarily havebto rely on other pieces as much so he would have been a good pick.
     
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  14. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    Taking Simmons or someone else just means there's the chance THEY are the next Dion Jordan. If we miss at 5 on our QB, then we had two other first round picks and we'll get a QB next year.
     
  15. Surfs Up 99

    Surfs Up 99 Team Flores & Team Tua

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    I feel more confident with Grier, and his decision making, now that he has surrounded himself with Allen, McKenzie, and Flores. Things seem to be falling in place. I hope the draft is no different. :-)
     
  16. Surfs Up 99

    Surfs Up 99 Team Flores & Team Tua

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    No guarantees. I just said Simmons, but I would be okay if we took another guy like one of the top LTs. People will complain, but we did get more than one pick for Tunsil/Stills. Plus a first round pick will give us a resonable contract and 5 years of control, whereas Tunsil wants a Brinks truck.
     
  17. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    I remember when the Seahawks drafted Aaron Curry. Who at the time was considered by far the safest pick in the draft.

    Long story short, Simmons can still fail.
     
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  18. Patster1969

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    To be honest Key, none of them have proven that they are NFL level QB's yet, as none of them have played a down in the NFL.
     
  19. Patster1969

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    That's a huge reach on any draft board I've seen
     
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  20. Surfs Up 99

    Surfs Up 99 Team Flores & Team Tua

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  21. firedan

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    If the Dolphins don't love the 5 pick for a QB they should take the best player available or trade down.Pick up a free agent QB and move on.
     
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  22. hitman8

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    Eason is an early to mid second rounder on most boards I've seen.
     
  23. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    It's easy to say that, but Grier isn't making this pick in a vacuum. Ross has made it clear he wants a QB.
     
  24. tirty8

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    How come you didn't do Ken Dorsey and Matt Leinart too?
     
  25. Surfs Up 99

    Surfs Up 99 Team Flores & Team Tua

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    I like a lot of things about Ross, but his meddling isn't one of them.
     
  26. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    Hey, the guy has to sell tickets. A star QB sells tickets.
     
  27. Surfs Up 99

    Surfs Up 99 Team Flores & Team Tua

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    LOL! OK, Let's find ourselves a star QB. I am all about trading for Watson myself... Grier, make it happen!
     
  28. firedan

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    Just because that's a need and that's what he want's does not mean that is the best move.If the player ain't there go find one that can help your team and find your QB elsewhere.I know he may not want to hear that but let's stop reaching for questionable players and draft ones that you feel good about,not ones you hope will be good.
     
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  29. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    Questionable according to who? Both Tua and Herbert are absolute worth the shot according to the majority of sources. Yes the injury is a cause for concern, but otherwise you are talking potential first overall. Herbert likely would have been first overall last year.
     
  30. hitman8

    hitman8 Well-Known Member

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    It's called overhype. Tua's injury history cannot be ignored, and Herbert is mostly all hype based on his size, athleticism and arm stength. Herbert has too many flaws as a QB to be taken #5.
     
  31. The Guy

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    Herbert is the kind of guy who moves into the discussion every year just before the draft, and then all of the discussion elevates his stock.
     
  32. KeyFin

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    The last QB Ross really wanted was Lamar Jackson...who clearly isn't prototypical. Who looks like a version of Jackson in this draft? I'll give you a hint- we won't take him at #5 or even in the 1st round. We can get Ross a QB without vastly overpaying.
     
  33. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    Lamar Jackson's style works on a team built like the Ravens. I don't think we are even close to being built like the Ravens.
     
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  34. resnor

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    I take those sub 4.2 numbers with a grain of salt. How come we don't see any guys with those types of numbers today, but they had several back then claiming it? We should have more guys doing it today, with all the advances in training, etc.
     
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  35. Unlucky 13

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    I agree. They were purely relying on handheld stopwatches back then, and you also have to take into account the fact that some had an incentive to fudge the results.
     
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  36. AGuyNamedAlex

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    It's really not a BS argument in college.

    If it's a blanket statement without research then yeah I agree its BS, but playing on a top team in college will make you look better due to the skill gap between a lot of top teams and even the pretty good ones.

    If someone actually analyzes a player and finds their production was a product of their surroundings I wouldn't blame them.
     
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  37. hitman8

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    There were only two guys that I know of who claimed two run sub 4.2 back in the day, Bo and Deion, and only Bo has other witnesses to corroborate his story. They did have electronic timing back in the 80s.

    Fully electronic timing has been widely used since the 60s, and Bo's sub 4.2 was electronically timed. The only person today with a confirmed sub 4.2 40 is Olympic sprinter Christian Coleman who ran a 4.12 in his spare time without even training for it. Usain bolt ran a 4.22 just clowning around fully clothed in a track suit and sneakers. If track stars of today started training the 40 you would see several running sub 4.2

    I think we give too much credit to the difference "modern" training methods make. There were great athletes training their asses off back then as well. Bo was a freak of nature, he would probably be the fastest man in the NFL even today.
     
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  38. resnor

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    Did somehow my speed post end up in the wrong thread??

    LOL
     
  39. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    LOL, yup....and others hopped right on that bandwagon too. I was confused for a moment thinking I clicked the wrong link. =)
     
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  40. Vertical Limit

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    A 13 on his wonderlic... hes a tad smarter than Vince Young.. but can barely read a sentence.
     
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