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Moving up to 3 for OL

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Finatik, Apr 22, 2020.

  1. Finatik

    Finatik Season Ticket Holder Staff Member Club Member

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    According to Ian Rapoport of NFL Network, the Dolphins have been calling the teams in front of them to gauge the price to move up, with an eye on getting their choice of the top offensive tackle prospects.

    He specifically mentions the third spot (held by Detroit), but there have been reports that the Giants are willing to move the fourth pick as well. The Dolphins have three first round picks (fifth, 18th, and 26th, and six of the top 70 picks).

    Assuming the Bengals don’t want to trade the first one to them, and Washington ends up with Chase Young, the third spot would offer any team the choice of Tristan Wirfs, Mekhi Becton, Jedrick Wills, or Andrew Thomas.

    There appears to be significant jockeying for those top four tackles, hence the recent reports that the Panthers (seventh)and Cardinals (eighth) are willing to move down a few spots if the price is right.
     
  2. Wilkimania

    Wilkimania Well-Known Member

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    Others jumping on this now seem to be saying that the jump to #3 is doing so without giving up #5 but 18, 26 and a 2nd rounder.
     
  3. Finatik

    Finatik Season Ticket Holder Staff Member Club Member

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    No wait did I say No. Yes its NO. Unless Joe is available. Then its a yes.
     
  4. Striking

    Striking Junior Member

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    Reminds me of a Wannstadt type decision. No reason to move up for an OT.
     
  5. Dorfdad

    Dorfdad Well-Known Member

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    Only way I would be accepting of this is if we do not give up 2 first rounders this year and we stick at 5.

    if we could grab the top OL and either tua or Herbert and still have a third selection in the first round this year I’d be down for it. Give up 18th a third and a second next year.

    if they do not draft a QB they are doing this franchise and it’s fans a major disservice. I also think they are trying to smokescreen people at the last minute
     
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  6. thetylernator

    thetylernator You're as cold as ice, Officer Friendly.

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    Don't overthink this. Miami is taking a quarterback at the top.

    I'd wager this is just a smokescreen for the sole purpose of keeping QB-needy teams at bay (Chargers). Miami doesn't want to be leapfrogged or forced to trade up for a quarterback; if they convince teams picking below them that they're actually not interested in a QB, those teams will be less inclined to trade up because they feel they can get their guy by standing pat at their spot. It's one of the perks of picking ahead of other teams.
     
  7. The G Man

    The G Man Git 'r doooonnne!!!

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    Yup.
     
  8. 757Niner

    757Niner Active Member

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    Bingo!

    The mere thought of a team with a Top 5 pick and two additional Top 30 picks, trying to trade up just makes no sense to me. You have MORE than enough ammo to get your franchise turned around tomorrow if your front office plays this thing out right.
     
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  9. mlb1399

    mlb1399 Well-Known Member

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    I would be adamantly against moving up to take a tackle. There are too many tackle prospects to be giving up picks to take one.
     
  10. pumpdogs

    pumpdogs Well-Known Member

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    Smokescreen bull****!No worries.
     
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  11. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    That would make zero sense.
     
  12. firedan

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    If anything I would prefer they trade down and acquire more players.
     
  13. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    We don't need more picks. We have enough. We just need to use them wisely.
     
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  14. Serpico Jones

    Serpico Jones Well-Known Member

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    Jeff Darlington on ESPN kinda made it sound like a smokescreen.
     
  15. gilv13

    gilv13 Well-Known Member

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    99% chance its a smokescreen, but I'll throw this out there.

    Maybe these rumors have a bit of legs.

    Somehow make the trade to 3 while keeping pick 5.

    Get Wills at #3, who played RT in college. Get the QB he protected at #5.

    Its a splash, but you just build a solid foundation on offense.
     
  16. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    That still doesn't make any sense...you'd be jumping from 18 to 3 in order to grab a lineman BEFORE you grab your franchise QB. What happens when another team takes Tua at #4? Because if you take Tua at #3, now the lineman you moved up for to begin with gets drafted at #4. It just doesn't work.

    Now, if we want to move up from the teens to grab Simmons or Young, then I'd be all for it. But you don't want to move up on the idea that #3 and #5 are a combo pick.
     
  17. ExplosionsInDaSky

    ExplosionsInDaSky Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, lets hope it's a smokescreen....I will explode with anger if we move up two spots just to draft an offensive lineman. I realize how important they are...For some it's the most important position on the field, but I have that strange feeling like we are taking a quarterback and i'm not sure how I feel about that either at this point. If we stay at five.....and take an O Line player, i'll be fine with it. We just don't need to move up to do that.
     
  18. tirty8

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    Just about everyone on this board immediately replied "smokescreen." One guy said that essentially the purpose is the keep the Chargers and other teams at bay. People generally agreed with this assessment.

    Think about the purpose of a smokescreen. It is to trick other teams into believing something that is not true in order to manipulate the draft board. If you guys don't believe that this is true, do you really think teams like Chargers think it is true? The Dolphins needing a QB is the worst kept secret in the draft.

    I think that this thing might actually have legs.

    Somebody made great point that this could absolutely blow up in our faces. A team could broker a trade with the Giants and slide right in and take our guy, and I was thinking about this point while I was on my run.

    Then it dawned on me. What if you know the Chargers and other QB needy teams are not going to trade with Giants and get your guy? Impossible, right? There is one way that it is possible. If the answer to the question is Jordan Love.
     
  19. Tin Indian

    Tin Indian Rockin' The Bottom End Club Member

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    Trading up and taking a Tackle would be Ted Ginnesque in its ability to enrage a fan base with idiocy. Especially if it required crazy compensation to do it. Ultimately a move like that would blow the entire draft and make all the moves last year truly pointless.

    On a positive note, it's the night before the draft and no one has a clue what the Dolphins are going to do or what they are thinking.
    Kudos to Grier for not letting anything get out and completely hiding his intentions.
     
  20. Duss

    Duss Season Ticket Holder

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    Whoever makes up this rumor ? really no team would admit to that and if thrue would they tell their trade partner what player or position they want ?

    No this is once again nonsense
     
  21. Surfs Up 99

    Surfs Up 99 Team Flores & Team Tua

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    Hmmm, I don't get why we are trading up?
     
  22. hitman8

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    Dolphins doing dolphin ****. This would be unbelievably stupid. However being a dissapointed dolphins fan for so many years, it really wouldn't surprise me.
     
  23. Finatik

    Finatik Season Ticket Holder Staff Member Club Member

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    This is from PFT:

    The Dolphins aren’t trying to get the third overall pick from the Lions without giving up the fifth overall pick in order to make two picks in the top five. Instead, the Dolphins believe that a potential Godfather offer to the Bengals for the first overall pick would be even harder to refuse if the Dolphins offer both No. 3 and No. 5 as part of the package.

    Per a league source, that’s the primary purpose of the Miami effort to finagle No. 3 from Detroit. If the Dolphins pull it off, the Bengals would then have to ask themselves whether they’d rather have quarterback Joe Burrow or, for example, the best tackle on the board at No. 3 and either quarterback Justin Herbert or quarterback Tua Tagovailoa, plus whatever else Miami would be offering.

    Of course, it won’t matter if the Dolphins can’t squeeze No. 3 from the Lions without giving up No. 5. But if the Dolphins somehow end up with a pair to top-five picks, don’t be surprised if the next move entails an effort to get to the top of the mountain, via a huge pile of draft picks.
     
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  24. Duss

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    I think they need to entertain themselves with those scenarios
    I hope we stay put or trade down if we dont think the value for a qb is there
     
  25. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    I like the idea.
     
  26. The G Man

    The G Man Git 'r doooonnne!!!

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    This could definitely happen. What would it take to move up to #3 from #18? #26 & #39 plus an early rounder next year (a 2nd maybe)? That might be enough. BUT...I'd be willing to bet they'd still have to package another pick (or two) and maybe even a player in the deal for #1 to Cincy. Rosen anyone?

    https://www.pro-football-reference.com/draft/draft_trade_value.htm

    If they truly believe Burrow is the guy, I say go for it! Otherwise, just stand pat at #5 and take the best QB still OTB.

    JMHO..
     
  27. Surfs Up 99

    Surfs Up 99 Team Flores & Team Tua

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    It could be just BS, but I think the Dolphins do think Burrow is a franchise guy. I have got to hand it to em. They're doing their best to try and pull it off. As some have said, we won't be in striking distance of anyone in the next few years, so if we want someone at the top, we have to go for it this year. I am not sure if Cincy will go for it. If they don't, it won't be because we aren't offering a king's ransom. At this rate, we probably won't have any decent picks left. I sure hope Burrow is worth it.
     

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