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This has to be a smokescreen, right?

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by tirty8, Apr 20, 2020.

  1. tirty8

    tirty8 Well-Known Member

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    The whispers about us passing altogether on QB at 5. I virtually dismissed this at first. But lately, the whispers are getting louder.

    I know people on this board and on Twitter have floated this in their own personal mocks. Now, if I think that if Stephen Ross called these people today and said, "I want you to be our GM this weekend," I think that these people would eventually decide to take a QB at 5. There is just too much of a risk in passing this up.

    Kevin O'Leary from Shark Tank likens in to a dog with a bone in his mouth who drops it into a lake to look for something better. Well, the dog eventually sees nothing better around him, and much to his chagrin, realizes his bone has sunk to the bottom of the lake.

    Honestly, if Jordan Love is the guy, take him at 5. If you are right, and he is the guy, nobody will care when he was selected. Here is the thing about getting cute. In order to think that you can do something like this, you have think something else altogether. You would have to think that the Dolphins are significantly smarter than every other team in the league. They see Love as the second/third best quarterback, and literally nobody else does. First of all, I definitely do not think we are even on the top half of the league in terms of intelligence. Second of all, if we are right about Love, that probably means a few other teams are hip to that as well. If Love starts slipping, they could move up and snatch him out from under us.

    Picking a QB at five means we essentially control our own fate.
     
  2. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    I haven't heard anyone saying that. At all. Okay, ETA: I heard someone say Gil Brandt said it. Other than him, I haven't heard anyone saying it and I don't believe it.
     
  3. Surfs Up 99

    Surfs Up 99 Team Flores & Team Tua

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    Not sure about these days, but there was a time where Gil Brandt knew what he was talking about.
     
  4. Wilkimania

    Wilkimania Well-Known Member

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    I think if we go off every rumour that's existed in the last 3 weeks then we're taking every single player at #5 then go on to #18 where we're going to draft every other player and then finish the first round by drafting the rest of the remaining players. It's the nonsense season and the next three weeks will be filled with people claiming that they were right and that their sources were perfect or that they were wrong but that's only because there was a last-minute change of direction or that the room was split. Most of these people will be making it up.. They were making it up when they posted it originally and they'll then hope to spin this correct guess into getting some legit sources to continue their streak.
     
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  5. tirty8

    tirty8 Well-Known Member

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    Well, Grier fueled a lot of speculation himself. I believe I was watching an Omar Kelly video where Grier said he had like 7 or 8 (the exact number escapes me) guys that he would be happy to take there.
     
  6. RevRick

    RevRick Long Haired Leaping Gnome Club Member

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    I can understand that. There were always a number of SYTs around when I was steamin' in the Navy.... But which one was the RIGHT one?
     
  7. Surfs Up 99

    Surfs Up 99 Team Flores & Team Tua

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    Damn, based on what you have said over the years, I always thought you were an older gentleman, but I didn't realize you were back in the Navy when they had steamships? ;-) j/k I know your ship has two GE steam turbines. I see that it is due to be scrapped this year :-(. I am sure you have lots of memories. The Adams was commissioned in 1960, so I would guess you served during Vietnam. Those were tough times. Thank you for your service!
     
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  8. TheOne

    TheOne Active Member

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    How Dolphins like woul it be to blow the season only to take a lineman?
     
  9. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    A defensive tackle.
     
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  10. my 2 cents

    my 2 cents Well-Known Member

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    They are likely debating the value of trading back into the 9-13 range and evaluating a scenario where both players are valued....kinda like would rather have Wills/Love or Tua/Jones/28th pick.........in the end it feels like business as usual at the draft and that end ups with Tua and OT3 or OT4 if they don't trade up. Personally I think it is far more likely they trade out of 26 of they can find a trade partner and there is someone there of great value for a team like Indy or da Raida's.......
     
  11. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    I doubt it. No one back there would give enough to make it worthwhile.
     
  12. my 2 cents

    my 2 cents Well-Known Member

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    Watch Indy..........especially if Love comes off and Eason is still around which he should be.
     
  13. RevRick

    RevRick Long Haired Leaping Gnome Club Member

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    Yep. That was my era... later in the Vietnam War period. And thank you, Sir. We steamed off the East Coast - North Atlantic, Med., Arctic, & the Caribbean chasing birdfarms and Sovsubs. Got to see some beautiful places though. I loved London, and wanted to go back. Never made it. But, I have been on the Acropolis and stood next to the Parthenon, in St. Peter's in Rome and St. Paul's in London. I can remember listening to the Dolphins games in 72 on AFRTS under way in the Radio Shack. Most of the Radio Gang were from around FL, so had a lot of Dolphin fans aboard. Tended to fade in and out, but at times we could piggyback the pirate stations off the coast of N Europe.. and they would cover some NFL games as well. Those '69-72 teams were fun to follow, even if it could be a day or so before we got any details. But when we could get the radio signals right, we patched them into the Mess Decks and Wardroom. And I am older, getting into 71 range, retiring from the ministry this year, and trying to find a place to stake out a small claim.
    Thank You, Sir, for your consideration - and apologies to those who were bored. It wasn't always fun, but it was very seldom boring.
     

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  14. DOLFANMIKE

    DOLFANMIKE FOOTBALL COACH 32 YEARS Luxury Box

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    I'm more interested in picking the best player at 5 overall than I am at picking the best QB left over from early picks. Getting picked at 5 doesnt promise any success. We already have a 21 year old QB that was drafted at 10 overall two season ago.
     
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  15. Puka-head

    Puka-head My2nd Fav team:___vs Jets Club Member

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  16. The G Man

    The G Man Git 'r doooonnne!!!

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    Pro Football Network's Tony Pauline reports the Dolphins are expected to pick Georgia OT Andrew Thomas with the No. 5 overall pick if he's available and they don't take a quarterback.
    In Pauline's report from Monday, a source close to Dolphins owner Stephen Ross tells Pauline that Ross is "talking as though Justin Herbert is not in the team’s plans with the fifth overall pick," so it's either going to be a position player -- Pauline reports it would be Thomas -- or Tua Tagovailoa. Thomas is widely viewed as the top tackle in this draft, slightly ahead of the other three in the "big four." If the Dolphins take Thomas, the belief would be they'd try to trade up for Utah State QB Jordan Love with their other two first-rounders. Thomas, of course, could go before the Dolphins even pick at No. 5, considering the Giants are believed to be eyeing a tackle at No. 4.

    SOURCE: Pro Football Network
    Apr 20, 2020, 10:01 PM ET
     
  17. Fishhead

    Fishhead Well-Known Member

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    A CBS mock today (Jon Jones) had us taking Thomas, McKinney and Love in the first round. They’re all just throwing darts at this point, hoping to hit a bullseye.
     
  18. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    The Three Yards Per Carry guys are pretty convinced that the #5 is Tua and not Herbert. If Tua is gone or they get wet feet over the medicals, then it's probably either Thomas or Wills with Jordan Love being selected later and that they are very high on him.

    However, if that is the case, there is absolutely no way that they try and ride it out. That's getting way to cute - they will try and trade up at that point, mentioning the Cards, Jags, Browns and Niners as logical spots.

    Ultimately, I don't think it out of the realm of possibility, but the safe bet is still on Tua.
     
  19. tirty8

    tirty8 Well-Known Member

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    Remember the Jake Long and Matt Ryan tandem?
     
  20. Vertical Limit

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    If theyre going to choose a quarterback at 5 its going to be Herbert, should he fall and if theyre sold on him.. if not i can definitely see them passing on quarterback and taking BPA. the overall BPA talent wise, skill wise on this draft is not quarterback, in my opinion... that will be next year with Lawrence.. but if they take Herbert, a guy that has all the physical tools, then i dont blame them.. he needs the mental aspect of the game to turn on though.. everything else you cant deny the skills.

    I get the feeling that years from now, we are gonna look back at this draft and think, Jeudy, Simmons, Chase, or some other defensive/offensive linemen was the best player on the draft.
     
  21. hitman8

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    I would be happy with this pick. Thomas is the #1 tackle in my opinion, slightly ahead of Wills because his run blocking ability.

    Thomas at #5 or trade down into the 10-15 range if we find a willing trade partner would be the best options in my opinion. I have completely ruled out either Tua or Herbert at #5, Tua is too high of an injury risk and Herbert is a bust in the making with many flaws in his game.
     
  22. KeyFin

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    I agree...I think Tua will be the pick at #5 or they'll trade back. I'm personally hoping for the BPA at #5 or trading back...worst case scenario for me is moving forward for Tua and wasting additional picks on him.
     
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  23. Wilkimania

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    Now reports of the Fins trading up to 3 for Andrew Thomas. I don't care what happens during the draft (Lies), Grier has played a blinder at getting out misinformation.
     
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  24. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    That would be the dumbest move possible, so I guess we can't entirely discount it. But at least until the pick Ill have some faith we can avoid that big of a blunder.
     
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  25. hitman8

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    That would be very stupid. They could sit tight at #5 and still get Thomas or Wills who is just as good.
     
  26. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    There's no way we're moving up for a lineman...just no way. If we move up for a non-QB it's going to be for Chase Young.
     
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  27. AGuyNamedAlex

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    Second dumbest IMO as taking Love at #5 would be worse to me.

    Still though I agree this would be awful.
     
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  29. The G Man

    The G Man Git 'r doooonnne!!!

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    Man, I sure hope this is just smoke:

    NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reports the Dolphins are gauging the price to trade up for the No. 3 overall pick for an offensive tackle.
    Trading up to the No. 3 overall pick entails swapping with the Lions, who are reportedly "high" on Auburn DT Derrick Brown. Having said that, jostling to nab an offensive tackle makes little sense for the Dolphins, who hold three picks (No. 5, No. 18, No. 26) in the first round. Assuming Giants GM Dave Gettleman has his sights set on one player in particular, Rapsheet's scenario (if true) means the Dolphins covet that one individual even more. Washington is also still "listening" to offers for both Trent Williams and the No. 2 overall pick, and the Giants have made it known they wouldn't mind dropping back to collect more picks, as well. Buckle up.

    SOURCE: Ian Rapoport on Twitter
    Apr 22, 2020, 1:55 PM ET
     
  30. The Guy

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    Why would a team that was attempting to trade up ever indicate the position of the player it was trading up to get?
     
  31. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    That would make zero sense.
     
  32. Fishhead

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    25 hours can’t go by fast enough.
     
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    So many holes still to fill,hope they don't trade up in the first.
     
  34. The Guy

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    Something that was just released:
    https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.c...o-get-no-3-and-no-5-in-effort-to-get-to-no-1/
     
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  36. hitman8

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    It is still stupid. They are just trying to get too cute, same as last year with the trade for rosen. Football is a team sport, I would rather stand pat and have multiple first round picks than give it all up for one guy.
     
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  37. The G Man

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    Think I figured out what's going on.

    Grier's just getting a pulse. He's talking to Detroit and NY and getting asking prices for the move up. No other team has the draft capital that we do or is as close as we are to both picks. So, if both teams are asking for a king's ransom and he knows if they wouldn't do it, then it's likely no one else will either.

    The pick is Tua and they're just making sure he's gonna be there at #5 so they don't have to move up to get him.
     
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  38. my 2 cents

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    Not a bad call although Jackson was OT5......also apparently they did try and trade back to SF spot to take Wirfs but could not get it done.

     
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  39. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    I was pretty close as well- I expected Tua, OT, OT/RB but we couldn't have foreseen the early run on tackles (and the lack of early picks on WR's). If Juedy and a few others went closer to where they were projected, we both would have nailed this draft.
     
  40. my 2 cents

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    I was getting a little giddy when Lamb started to fall but Dallas got a hell of a pick from a value perspective.

     
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