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Ryan Tannehill

Discussion in 'Other NFL' started by bbqpitlover, Oct 16, 2019.

Ryan Tannehill is...

  1. A terrible QB

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  2. A below average QB

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  3. An average QB

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  4. An above average QB

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  5. An elite QB

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  6. The GOAT.

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  1. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    Fun little nod in the previews this week from Gregg Rosenthal @ NFL.com.

    Pittsburgh Steelers 28, Tennessee Titans 24
    1 p.m. ET (CBS) | Nissan Stadium (Nashville, Tenn.)

    It is disarming to realize Ryan Tannehill is the better quarterback in this matchup, because Ryan Tannehill is the better quarterback in almost every matchup. While he's kept up his insane efficiency on play-action and in the red zone, Tannehill's ability to avoid sacks, throw against pressure and be productive on straight dropbacks has improved from 2019. That ability to thrive just before being hit will be tested against a Steelers front with too many players worthy of double-teams, like Stephon Tuitt and Cameron Heyward. Big Ben might not be what he once was, but he needs to do a lot less than Tannehill to win these days.
     
  2. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    I generally think Prescott is overrated...same with Romo. Neither of them are/were in Tannehill's league.
     
  3. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    Yea, I read that one as well. Almost posted it. I find it amusing how the article sings praises of Tannehill and his skills & Roethlisbuger's diminishing skills and yet...Pittsburgh's still gonna win.

    I can't WAIT to see this game!
     
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  4. KeyFin

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    I completely agree! Without the Fins this week, this is the highlight of my entire weekend. I think it's really cool that we now have two teams to root for and it's even cooler that they generally play in two different time slots. Over the past two seasons, I have legitimately become as much of a Titans fan as I am a Dolphins fan. I mean, I still love the Fins more from a life's worth of history, but you know what I mean...the Titans are a very close 2nd.

    If they win the super bowl this year, then I'll need some addresses because you're all getting 100% authentic RT jerseys straight from a sweatshop in China!
     
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  5. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    I think it just goes to show how much of an impact Tannehill had on many of us fans. And I truly think even those who don't agree with us on Tannehill watch the Titans for their own opposing views.

    It is funny though to hear their arguments against him though after they've won.
     
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  6. AGuyNamedAlex

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    Well I think beyond the QB battle the Steelers do have the better team, i wont be shocked if they win.
     
  7. AGuyNamedAlex

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    I'd take Romo over Dak any day though.

    Romo wasnt elite but in my opinion people were a little too hard on him. At the end of the day I respect his career for a guy who went undrafted and had to fight for everything he got in the NFL.
     
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  8. Cashvillesent

    Cashvillesent A female Tannehill fan

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    Whos mans is this...



    The disrespect is real
     
  9. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    While they haven't had a tough game yet, the Pittsburgh Defense is #1 in yards, passing yards, rushing yards, and most importantly, points. Gonna be a tough game, at least they're at home. Meanwhile their offense has been VERY fortunate to take advantage of turnovers (Kinda like Tennessee, the Titans are better in turnover ratio by 1), so while they haven't lit the field up, they score a lot of points. All that doesn't mean anything once they take the field, of course. Both teams are very well coached...but if the Titans' guys can get in the Steelers' heads and make them do stupid stuff (not hard to do with that team), they could have a fun day.

    If the Titans win this one, look out.

    P.S. Minkah did well against Tannehill in practice/camps if I remember correctly. Gotta stay away from that kid.
     
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  10. AGuyNamedAlex

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    Minkah has the physical talent to do well against any offense. Hes just too self absorbed in my opinion to fully unleash it consistently.
     
  11. Cashvillesent

    Cashvillesent A female Tannehill fan

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    Losing Bush and Hilton(who was ruled out). That's a lot of talent lost in the middle of that defense on passing downs....
     
  12. FinFaninBuffalo

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    LOL @ Ryan Clark commenting on fake bravery. Easy to say from the broadcast studio.......
     
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  13. FinFaninBuffalo

    FinFaninBuffalo Well-Known Member

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    Damn.....

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  14. Silverphin

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    To be fair, Ryan Clark had quite the playing career, even after having his gall bladder and spleen removed. So, I don't think he's a stranger to bravery. Not that I agree with him here, but....
     
  15. FinFaninBuffalo

    FinFaninBuffalo Well-Known Member

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    You don't talk about 'fake bravery' from the broadcast studio. Clark was a borderline starter for most of his career. Derrick Henry has more than proven his toughness. He is simply a former Steeler shooting his mouth off.
     
  16. AGuyNamedAlex

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    Wasnt he the one with the condition where he couldnt play in high altitude stadiums like Denver? Or am I thinking of someone or something else.
     
  17. Silverphin

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    Yeah. Sickle Cell Trait.
     
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  18. Pauly

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  19. KeyFin

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  20. Cashvillesent

    Cashvillesent A female Tannehill fan

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    Loved that article. Thanks for posting.

    Guy is amazing.

     
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  21. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

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    Cashvillesent A female Tannehill fan

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    Tennessee defense is really trash.
     
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  23. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity

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    Let's not have a play-by-play of the Tennessee game in here. It's not really a Tennessee thread. There's a general game day thread open, please use that if you want to comment on the game.

    Thanks.
     
  24. cbrad

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    Man.. Tennessee games are really interesting this year. This game was total domination by the Steelers in the first half and an almost great comeback in the 2nd half by the Titans, falling only a FG short of going into OT.

    Right now, KC and the Steelers look like the favorites to make the AFC championship game. Thankfully, Steelers play the Ravens twice so it's really unlikely they'll end up with a perfect season.

    Tannehill's 2020 stats barely budged after this game. His rating is now 112.31 and the probability he's "the same QB" as in Miami is a tad lower at 0.0108%. We're still on track to end this stats experiment by week 9 if this continues.
     
  25. The_Dark_Knight

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    I was a bit disappointed in the overall performance of the Titans offense in the first half, Tannehill included. What genuinely impressed me though was there was ZERO panic on his face. He was calm, a genuine leader on the field and led the team back to have a chance to tie the game and go into overtime.

    But on man oh man, that Steelers' defense is NO JOKE!!! These two teams are going to meet up again in the playoffs!
     
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  26. KeyFin

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    Two thoughts-

    1) The Titans showed yesterday that they have what it takes to beat the Steelers. It's a shame they missed that field goal at the end for overtime, but it's even more of a shame they didn't have an extra minute on the clock to win the game outright. That 8+ minute Steelers drive was the true dagger in the game...that doesn't define what we'll see in the playoffs though. These teams are pretty evenly matched.

    2) If there's a one tenth of one percent chance that RT is the same QB as in Miami, I don't think we need to wait until week 9 to put this theory to bed. For whatever reason, we failed him in Miami and didn't provide the support he needs to thrive. I mean, your numbers are saying that with a 99.99% certainty.

    The only other explanation is that he simply "grew up" and matured over these last two seasons, which sometimes happens with a 2nd team. As you said last year though, it's unprecedented for what's happening to happen long-term...QB's don't make a year 8 jump. I really think he was the same QB in year 5 before being injured and the next two seasons were just bad limited examples of the player he turned into. We saw this level of play in year 4 in that Patriots comeback where Parker dropped the game-tying TD after RT had that phenomenal 2nd half...I really think the kid had it all along and we just didn't have the tools to showcase it.
     
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  27. AGuyNamedAlex

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    Only thing I'll disagree with, I think its entirely possible for someone to make that jump year 8.

    Math as an example. There are a lot of equally valid ways to arrive at solutions to problems. Sometimes the way a teacher likes to show it just doesnt click with you 100%. Then you might have a new teacher the next year or later on who explains the same concept in a new way that makes more sense to you.

    I agree he showed flashes here and looked good before his injury, but I think having a new tutor so to speak probably did wonders for him
     
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  28. KeyFin

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    LOL, math is a HORRIBLE EXAMPLE! In essence, schools have changed math in the past decade and everything is long-form....well, it's worse than longform. If you're doing 64x12, for example, they say to break it down into common dominators (8x8x4x3, which becomes 4x2x4x2x2x2x3, which becomes <2x2x2> +<2x2x2> +<2x2> + <3>), draw out a chart, do the math for each quadrant of the chart, then add it all together....basically giving you 15 places to mess up since there's dozens of senseless conversions.

    I was taught to think 64x10 is 640. 64 x 2 is another 128. 640 + 128 is 768. I did that in my head in 2 seconds.

    Or I could say 64x12 is the same as 128x6, or 256x3....which is 768. I did that in my head in about 3 seconds. The "new math" requires you to show your work though at every step and discourages critical thinking. It's just plan stupid UNLESS kids are simply dumber these days and can't grasp basic mathematical concepts.

    Even for more simple numbers like 37x9 that won't factor down easily- you multiply 37x10 (370) and then subtract 37 (333). There's so many tricks to avoid the calculator and it's no longer taught. The "problem" is the teaching itself.
     
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  29. The_Dark_Knight

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  30. AGuyNamedAlex

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    That's why it's a great example! See how there are different ways to do the same thing but one clicks with you much easier than the other?

    You might have learned your best way first which is awesome, but not everyone will be the same.
     
  31. KeyFin

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    But schools aren't teaching "all the ways"...just one way (the longest and most complicated one). That's sort of like how Philbin taught Tannehill to always stay in the pocket, never audible or scramble...just stand there and get leveled, likely while also fumbling the ball. That was his way and it was the wrong way...it has nothing to do with what works best for individuals because there wasn't a choice involved.
     
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    Can't end it yet because I haven't adjusted for the change in mean and standard deviation of passer rating in 2020. I haven't done that because I'm waiting for it to stabilize, and I decided before the season that I'd do that only after half the season is over, which is why I said week 9. Normally, such a mid-season adjustment would do nearly nothing, but this year it will have an effect. The mean is 4.5 points higher right now and the standard deviation 3 points higher.

    Will that change affect the final outcome if without adjustment it's 0.01%? Not in the least, though the final numbers will definitely be higher. But I'm not closing the book on this without that adjustment. Furthermore, after adjustment I want to do simulations to see how bad Tannehill would have to play in his final 7 games to get to 5%. I suspect he'd have to play really bad (if he keeps this up), justifying ending it early, but the last thing I want to do is end it early only to find out later that was the wrong decision. So I'm being VERY conservative here.
     
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  33. The Guy

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    Returning to the Tom Brady discussion in this thread, it certainly looks like he still has it. In fact Tampa Bay might be the best team in the league, and they're my Super Bowl favorite.
     
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    Brady's passer rating right now is 102.7, which is close to a z-score of 0.6. That's not typical Brady level high so I'm not deviating from my prediction that he'll end up straddling average when the season is over.

    More interesting than Brady to me is Belichick: 2-4 record since .. when?? lol. One of the worst offenses in the NFL with one of the worst performances at QB. This is a fantastic experiment that's currently suggesting Brady was nearly as important to Belichick as the other way around. We'll see how this ends, but I'm loving what I'm seeing.
     
  35. resnor

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    Well, who actually believed that Cam Newton was capable of running the NE offense? Plus, Cam doesn't have a bunch of great receivers and a HoF tight end like Brady had.
     
  36. The Guy

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    A sample size that shouldn't be made too much of, but here he is the past two weeks:

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  37. cbrad

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    Actually you've been one of the main proponents of the idea that you could stick almost any QB in Belichick's offense and they'd do well. You were pointing to the fact that backups did really well prior to this season as proof of that. Clearly that's been proven wrong. And Brady often didn't have great WR's, etc.
     
  38. The_Dark_Knight

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    I agree to a degree with what you're saying regarding the symbiotic relationship between B&B however, I think Newton was a terrible choice for the Patriots to select to replace Brady. I never thought he was ever that good.
     
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  39. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    Newton wasn't a young quarterback learning a system for the first time. He had been around for quite some time and was set in his own certain ways so to speak...too may "bad habits" to break to be effective in a Belichick system.

    At least that's what I would argue.
     

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