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Tua named starting QB

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by TheHighExhaulted, Oct 20, 2020.

  1. AGuyNamedAlex

    AGuyNamedAlex Well-Known Member

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    I get what you are saying but I dont think their careers ahead of them makes a difference. Every player in the NFL has their career ahead of them, they still have peaks and valleys caused by whatever they are feeling at the time whether its intentional or not.
     
  2. Galant

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  3. Galant

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  4. Galant

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  5. mlb1399

    mlb1399 Well-Known Member

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    After seeing Herbert and Burrow yesterday, Tua really needs to pan out. Not that we could have gotten Burrow but many of us wanted Herbert over Tua. Would suck to get the one top 10 QB that didn’t pan out.
     
  6. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    I like Tua Infinity and Beyond!
     
  7. Galant

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    Are these slogans for Tua?
     
  8. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    I guess....I just saw it and had to voice my preference. :lol:
     
  9. Galant

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    So fed up of such weak Dolphins analysis. I suppose hoping for anything like 'analysis' on the mass media sports channels is forlorn. They're clearly aimed at 'commentary' but even then, outside of politics has there ever been an arena where so much time is used to say so little?
     
  10. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity

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    :D

    The Left Arm of God was doing the rounds.

    From Tua With Love
    Enter the Tua
    The Talented Mr. Tua
    The Tuaminator/The Terminatua
     
  11. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    Hakuna MaTua
     
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  12. Galant

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  13. The Guy

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  14. The Guy

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  15. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity

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    Baptism of fire for Tua.

    Bye the end of this game he'll very likely have been hit hard, sacked, and otherwise gotten past the "what if he gets hit?" stage.

    He'll also have faced one of the toughest defenders in the league.

    Welcome to the NFL Tua!
     
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  16. AGuyNamedAlex

    AGuyNamedAlex Well-Known Member

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    Yes. I hope people dont get too up pr down based on one game, but it's a good first test.
     
  17. TheHighExhaulted

    TheHighExhaulted Well-Known Member

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    Nick Foles is basically just a sitting hunk of crap in the pocket.

    I'm sure with Tua's athleticism they have a plan to keep them a little more off balance than what we saw last night.
     
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  18. The Guy

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  19. Kud_II

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    Don't like it. One bad performance at this point in the could smash his confidence (possibly)permanently. This is whole reason teams sit QBs their rookie season often folks. I certainly hope that doesn't happen, and he's ready. As others have said the coaches are closer to him than I.

    Be happy to be wrong... but uh... Fitzmagick was having a solid season. He were in a playoff race. There is no reason to rush "The Real Thing." I was happy just being competitive with Fitz til 21'

    Honestly.. I think they are just trying to see what he has now because they want to see if they have to draft another QB prospect. All eggs in one basket, not the Miami way anymore I hope.
     
  20. Sceeto

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    On the way to work today, I was listening to ESPN radio and they had Dan Graziano on and asked him about Tua starting.
    He made a good point in saying that they always intended on starting Tua after the bye, but, as we know, our bye was moved up. I believe it was originally scheduled for week eleven and that's when they intended to start him. They really wanted the bye week to get him ready, so they had to start him now. I still absolutely despise the move at this time. However, lets kick some arse!
     
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  21. Galant

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  22. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    Say what you want about Tebow and his capabilities as an NFL level quarterback, the man was an inspirational leader on the field. There's no doubt whatsoever he knew success, at the NCAA and NFL level. I know I'll get some crap for that last bit, but that's a different discussion all together. For Tebow to not only praise Tagovailoa's football skills, as many others had as well prior to his injury but to praise Tagovailoa as a human being, a genuine caring person is actually a powerful endorsement for me personally.

    We've all had jobs in our lifetime where we've had different styles of leadership from our supervisors. Some of those have been positive; some have been negative. I found, for myself personally and those whom were under my leadership that if you have a leader who you knows truly genuinely cares about you personally and will do anything for you, you in turn will do anything for them.

    For a man like Tebow to give Tagovailoa this type of endorsement sings volumes of the type of man Tua is. Whether it translates to wins on the field remains to be seen but I don't think we have to worry about whether or not the other 10 men on the field with Tua wouldn't do anything for him.
     
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  23. Two Tacos

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    Is there a reason why Dan would know Dolphins staff intentions? Or, was that speculation on his part?
     
  24. Sceeto

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    He supposedly had some inside source. The guys on the show seemed genuinely appreciative for the info, but regardless, it makes sense, no?
     
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  25. The Guy

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  26. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    I'm scared as hell for him, too. I have a nasty feeling that this was the wrong defense to throw him in against on his first start. But we'll see.
     
  27. TheHighExhaulted

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    You're scared? Really? Come on.
     
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  28. AGuyNamedAlex

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    If a guy can be broken that easily he was never starting QB material to begin with in my opinion. It's not like we are serving him up on a platter with no way to defend himself. If he has a rough game he will get through it and be fine IF he is the caliber if QB we all want.

    If he isnt, it's better we know now.
     
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  29. Mcduffie81

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    Quit being wimps. Tua is going to be awesome!
     
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  30. ExplosionsInDaSky

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    Right?!!! Buncha scared babies in here. Tua is either a warrior or he isn't and we need to find out asap. Tired of this coddling **** that they do to players. Was it a little premature considering how well Fitz was playing? Maybe, but on the other end, we need to know NOW what we have in Tua. Fitz is 38 and will probably be coaching in two years. Putting him up against Aaron Donald is a perfect way to introduce him to the league. He's going to remember this for the rest of his life and the beginning of his story will always be told with "my first game was against Aaron Donald"
     
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  31. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    I agree we need to find out now. When I say I'm scared, I'm more scared that we wasted a high first round draft pack.
     
  32. Galant

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    Is there any evidence that 'better' defensive players cause more damage?
    I get that Aaron Donald has a much better chance of getting sacks than the average defensive player, but the sacks he gets aren't any 'worse' than anyone else's. In fact, he's isn't a giant of a man. So in my opinion there's nothing special to fear with Aaron Donald.

    Either Tua is going to get injured again or he isn't, no one player really affects that. If there's a fear that any sack will hurt Tua then you just don't play him at all. If that fear doesn't exist then it doesn't matter when you play him or who you play him against.

    There might even be an argument that this is the best introduction for Tua. By all accounts Tua seeks to learn from every challenge or failure. If he finds his game exposed by this defense and it proves to be a wake-up call for him, then there's a good chance he'll set his bar nice and high and do what is necessary to adjust and improve.

    I'm certain Tua will relish the challenge and will not shrink back from it.

    So bring it on!
     
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  33. cbrad

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    Totally agree. Pre-draft my view was Tua was a great pick because it's hard to see how a guy like that could flop (assuming he stays healthy). Tua's floor is pretty high IMO, so growing pains or not I think we have the QB we've been waiting for.

    Also, if Tua pans out we'll probably have the HC+QB combo you need for an eventual SB run because it's absolutely amazing Flores has us at #3 in points allowed after 6 games. Conversely, if Tua doesn't pan out that's probably it for Flores and Grier because a good/great defense with an average QB will rarely get you to the SB.

    The rest of the 2020 season for the Dolphins is going to be one of the most important in post-Marino history.
     
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  34. ExplosionsInDaSky

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    We either did or we didn't. Obviously if we did, it may potentially set us back a few years, but I think the team, the owner, fanbase, etc all agree that finding a franchise Quarterback for this team is the best and only real option towards returning to league relevancy again. We tried every other avenue for the last 22 years. The answer couldn't be any more clearer as far as what we need. Obtaining that answer/need is the hard part, but we can't afford to pass on quarterbacks in the draft until we find one that is a franchise level signal caller.
    Tua gets his shot and it starts tomorrow. He's said all the right things, he's done all the right things in practice, time to see what he can do. People are "scared" because of Aaron Donald or the Rams defense, look....If not this week with Aaron Donald, then people would be scared next week because Patrick Peterson might intercept a Tua pass and cause him irreversible psychological damage. Joey Bosa is waiting for us in week 10. Tua is going to face elite level athletes every single week for the rest of his playing career. He's either going to flourish and become something or he isn't.
    No reason to be worried about a wasted draft pick at this time. We wont know if he's a bust or not for a while, but tomorrow will certainly be very telling I think. We'll at least be able to tell if he's playing scared, if he's got any moxy to him, if he can deal with pressure in the pocket, and more importantly...If he can take a freaking hit. That's my biggest and really only worry with Tua. His durability.
     
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  35. The Guy

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    https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id...icks-was-factor-decision-start-tua-tagovailoa
     
  36. Cashvillesent

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    Fitz was not playing nearly as well as the media was hyping him. 10 TDs 7 INTs.. pretty clear he's who he's always been.
     
  37. Vertical Limit

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    Yep... and i wasnt a big fan of Herbert in college or Tua... but Herberts measurables were in full display in the pro day and combine.. so i was like okay; this guy looks like another Tannehill, a guy with all the skills and arm talent just needs to get it in line with his instincts.

    With the Houston pick being what it could possibly become, and we got Trevor Lawrence and Zach Wilson looking like sure things (not a fan of Fields or Ohio State quarterbacks)... we have to find out now about Tua, not two years from now. And im not saying Tua needs to throw 3000 yards and 20 touchdowns in this second half of the season.. but we need to see the same potential Herbert and Burrow has been showing off. As a matter of fact, i would argue to say we have way much more talent offensively than the Bengals do, the Bengals have 2 receivers that dont want to be there which includes Green and Ross, even with Burrow playing as good as he is.

    so theres no excuses..
     
  38. texanphinatic

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    I know right? The media and pundits are acting like we are benching prime Aaron Rogers. It's Ryan Fitzpatrick. I love what the guy managed to do here, but he was always a placeholder, has had 0 consistency for his career and was playing OK (mostly against legit terrible defenses), not at some all-pro level.

    In the short term, does a vet maybe give us a better shot at a W than a rookie? Possibly. But for all the plays he did make, Fitz left them on the field too. He did his job, and now it's time for us to take the next step.
     
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  39. texanphinatic

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    I am not so sure. Ross is historically not quick on the trigger, and likely seems to have already allocated 3-4 years for the Grier/Flores combo. If Tua is a total bust this year to the point where Grier/Flores decide he's not the guy, we have the potential to try again in 2021 with the resources we amassed - especially with the Texans being so bad currently. That's the one bonus to the teardown that many GM/Coach combos don't have, just the sheer amount of draft resources to try again.

    If we pull a Rosen with Tua and then draft, say Trey Lance, I doubt Ross fires his folks barring a really bad 2021 season with obvious defensive regression. If we can have a truly elite unit defensively, we will give Flores another year or two to right the offensive ship.
     

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