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Tua On Audition?

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  1. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity

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    Figure him out by the end of the year and move on to Fields?
    Tua on a 10 game audition?

    Not according to Flores this week:





     
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  2. Galant

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  3. AGuyNamedAlex

    AGuyNamedAlex Well-Known Member

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    To be fair I'd argue every young QB in the league is on audition and I dont expect any coach to say it flat out.

    If he looks absolutely terrible I dont see any way we arent looking at a QB with the Texans pick if it stays so high.

    If he looks good and/or promising obviously you use the pick to build around him.
     
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  4. The Guy

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    Yeah I don't give that much credence. Certainly if Tua ends up being as poor as Josh Rosen was in his rookie season -- and I have no idea whether that'll happen -- the team will be looking to use its bevy of picks to get another QB.

    That doesn't mean the intent of Tua's starting is an "audition," but it does mean the team is still considering whether to use its picks on another QB.
     
  5. mlb1399

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    Everyone is on audition. Plus he’s smart not to add any pressure by saying he is. If he doesn’t improve and we end up with a top 5 pick, they’ll have some tough decisions to make next year for the draft.
     
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  6. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    What else would he say?
     
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  7. RevRick

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    And, of course, Tua could be just fine, and the team still wind up with a top five pick. It is not likely, But... the old axiom is that the ball is shaped funny and bounces weird.
     
  8. ExplosionsInDaSky

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    Sounds rather harsh. Audition to me sounds more like Ryan Finley getting a few starts for the Bengals last year just so they could make sure they didn't miss something with him. LeMichael Perine with the Jets is getting an "audition" to potentially be a lead back, Ben Dinucci got an audition start for the Cowboys last Sunday. While I get that technically every player in the league is auditioning for more opportunity/to show their skills, some auditions last longer. Tua, Is an investment (the fifth overall pick), and i'm guessing it's going to be two years at the very least unless he's just flat out awful. Tua is going to make a lot of people eat their words one way or the other when this is settled. I personally think he's going to be a box office hit! I think we finally have our star quarterback, and this "audition" will be a seasonal full time show that he is the star of. He's already making the wait until Sundays more difficult.
     
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  9. Galant

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  10. Galant

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    I think the point was that he wasn't asked about this so he wasn't responding. He raised it himself.
     
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  11. Dorfdad

    Dorfdad Well-Known Member

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    Josh Rosen would disagree with flores comment about we believe in developing players.

    They should’ve given Rosen a real shot last year but instead went fitz...
     
  12. AGuyNamedAlex

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    Well the Texans pick we own is looking like a top ten minimum currently so it's not really out of the question.
     
  13. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    Just my opinion, but if we have the chance to pick up Trevor Lawrence, we should do it. Tua may or may not be a quality QB, we'll find out, but Lawrence is head and shoulders above him. (Literally and figuratively.)
     
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  14. M1NDCRlME

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    some guys cant be developed. Rosen is one of those guys
     
  15. AGuyNamedAlex

    AGuyNamedAlex Well-Known Member

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    It's amazing that you know this for fact. Can I ask how many times you've met him or how he interacts with his coaches?

    FTR I'm not saying hes a hidden gem, I'm just saying that is a bold statement
     
  16. Finatik

    Finatik Season Ticket Holder Staff Member Club Member

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    From PFT:

    The Texans have confirmed an overnight report that they will close their facility on Thursday because a player tested positive for COVID-19. The team made the announcement in a statement on Thursday morning.

    “We were informed last night that a Texans player has tested positive for COVID-19. In consultation with the NFL and medical experts, we have made the decision to close the facility and conduct all operations virtually today,” the statement said. “The player immediately self-isolated and contact tracing has begun. We will follow the NFL’s intensive protocols and guidance regarding the team’s operations. The health and safety of our team, as well as our entire staff, are of highest priority.”

    Linebacker Jacob Martin is reportedly the player who has tested positive. If any players are found to be high-risk close contacts of Martin’s, they will also have to isolate for five days since their exposure. If that exposure came on Wednesday, they will not be able to play against the Jaguars this weekend.

    Depleted Texans. Sounds like a loss.
     
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  17. Finatik

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    He got a shot - in practice. Just like Tus got a shot - in practice. If you don't show nuffin in practice then guess what, you don't get into the game. They also held onto him for longer than most would have thought. So yeah, he got a shot.
     
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  18. Finatik

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    Where's he at now and is he starting? Wouldn't the Cowboys be in need of someone right about now? It would seem if he's starting caliber after what 3 years now that he would have been clamored for.
     
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  19. AGuyNamedAlex

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    Like I said I'm not trying to argue that hes a great QB. To say a player cant be coached at all though implies, to me anyway, some sort of mental problem like attitude or so forth because youd think a player could at least improve with good coaching to some degree.

    Also sorry I was a dick the other day towards you. No reason for that, we are all Dolphin fans who want to win.
     
  20. Finatik

    Finatik Season Ticket Holder Staff Member Club Member

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    I think he meant that he can't be coached up to the NFL starting level he needs to be. Tha's a high level that some players just don't ever get to.

    It's all good. I was being snarky. Seems like I pissed a bunch of people off that day (outside of this forum) so maybe it was just my time of the month.
     
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  21. Dorfdad

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    Josh Rosen would disagree with flores comment about we believe in developing players.

    They should’ve given Rosen a real shot last year but instead went fitz...
     
  22. Galant

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  23. Two Tacos

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    Josh started 3 games, had a normal off-season and pre-season, plus a Covid pre and off season. He could still develop, and I hope he does. Seems like a good guy, and throws beautiful looking passes. But, saying he wasn't given a shot, or implying that the Dolphins weren't able to get a good evaluation is not accurate. He is on a practice squad for a reason.
     
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  24. AGuyNamedAlex

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    So you're saying I should sue Hyde for reading this thread an profiting off my earlier reply LOL

    Kidding.
     
  25. Fishhead

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    Would you take Lawrence regardless of how Tua does (discarding the extremes of terrible and awesome), or welcome the bounty of picks if Tua shows progress and promise?

    This assumes that the Jets manage to win 2 games and Houston loses out, because not even the Jets can screw up the #1pick this year, can they?
     
  26. AGuyNamedAlex

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    I'm not the guy to ask because I dont believe in Tua very much, yet, but I'm picking Lawrence all day and trading Tua for whatever I can get as soon as I'm comfortable Lawrence is what i thought before drafting him.

    Now if Tua absolutely lights it up, ask me again because my opinion may change. If he is only looking promising though...give me Lawrence or even Fields.
     
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  27. Galant

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    Dolphins getting coverage on ESPN right now about this subject:

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    Emily Kaplan wondering if the Dolphins have some sort of leak problem since the Tua start was leaked to the media before Flores could speak to the team and now this story appears from "a source close to the Dolphins"....

    Overall, the pundits on the show don't believe Tua is being 'auditioned'. They don't think Flores is lying.
     
  28. Rick 1966

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    I don't believe anyone but the Jets will have the first overall pick, but if it fell into our lap, I would take Lawrence no matter how Tua does. Then I'd keep them both for at least a season, because there's little downside with both of them on their rookie contract.
     
  29. Two Tacos

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    Downside is missing the person that we could have drafted with the first overall, or the picks we could have gotten for trading it. We could still get something for the loser, but it wouldn't be as much as draft night. Neither, Lawrence or Tua will be as valuable after losing a position battle. Upside is keeping the better QB of Lawrence and Tua, but as Tannehill has demonstrated, system fit matters for a QB. I'd rather build for Tua with the most resources available if the coaching staff believes in him, then bring in competition and both delay the build and build with less resources.
     
  30. The_Dark_Knight

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    Once upon a time, and it was echoed by Todd Blackinstone on "Around the Horn" a team drafted a quarterback for the future, developed him for 2-3 years and then let him take over. Gone are the days of common sense career development. With the quarterback position being the important position that it is, the league in general has gotten STUPID and are destroying the careers of potentially great players by throwing them to the wolves when they aren't ready for that next level.

    Looking at the 2018 NFL Draft and those prior, how are these high draft pick quarterbacks doing?
    2018
    Baker Mayfield; CLE. Currently 5-3 following seasons of 6-10 and 7-8-1
    Sam Darnold; NYJ. Currently 0-7 and will most likely be replaced with Trevor Lawrence
    Josh Rosen; TB. Currently on his 3rd team as a back up to Tom Brady
    Lamar Jackson; BAL. After flashes of spectacular, it seems his game has been figured out.

    2017
    Mitch Trubitsky; CHI. He's now riding the bench after the Bears signed Nick Foles
    Patrick Mahomes; KC. The only one that has been a TRUE success, but then again he was drafted by a good team that needed a QB
    Deshaun Watson; HOU. Another that had flashes of spectacular but dismal now at 1-6

    2016
    Jared Goff; LAR. Currently 5-3, but the initial flashes of brilliance seem to have faded. Hell, look at what we did to them
    Carson Wentz; PHI. LEADING the NFC East at 3-4. The Eagles only success with Wentz was with Nick Foles at QB.
    Paxton Lynch; DEN. Paxton Who? Currently unsigned free agent.

    2015
    Jameis Winston; NO. Drafted 1st overall by the Bucs and after failing dismalling, now backing up Brees in New Orleans
    Marcus Mariotta; Former Heisman winner drafted by Titans. Unseated by Tannehill and now back up with LVR

    2014
    Blake Bortles; DEN. Drafted by Jax, turnover prone and now on his 3rd team as a back-up
    Johnny Manziel; CLE. Mr Money! The only quarterback to be named starter then demoted to 3rd string in 1 week.

    This is 5 years of quarterback drafts. 13 quarterbacks and of these 13 quarterbacks only 6 are still starting quarterbacks. Four are back-ups on their 2nd or 3rd teams and 3 are in danger of losing their jobs at the end of the season.
     
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  31. M1NDCRlME

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    So yeah, I was in a hurry the other day when I wrote my quick response and didn't do a good job of explaining my words. What I meant was that while I think physically he has the tools, but mentally I don't think he's got it: slow on the reads, not sure what he's seeing, late throws, etc. Some guys eventually settle in and it comes to them, I don't think he's one of those guys. He seems like a good person and teammate, but 3 different teams in 3 years speaks volumes. Maybe what happened to him in Phoenix ruined him, maybe he really just is one of those guys that can't make the transition from college to the pros, but I don't agree with the statement that he wasn't given a fair shot in Miami.
     
  32. JJ_79

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    I like Underdogs, that’s why I‘m rooting for Tua. Hope he stays healthy and shows promise for the rest of the season. If we get the #1 next year it would be a tough choice to make, if Tua showed he belongs and stays healthy first of all, then I would trade that pick for Kings ransom.
     
  33. The_Dark_Knight

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    Rosen could have been, and still could be a great quarterback, but it's doubtful now as he has been ruined. First being drafted by the dumpster fire of a team in the Cardinals and thrown to the wolves, then traded to Miami and now traded yet again to Buccaneers. The league has gotten so stupid in their acquisition and use of quarterbacks, and fans have fallen for this idiocy. Think about it, they're rookies! Look at it this way.

    Have a rookie offensive lineman, lined up against an all-pro defensive end or lineman. The DE or DL BLOWS past that rookie lineman and the mindset is, "well, what do you expect, he's just a rookie going up against that all pro"

    Have a rookie cornerback trying to cover and all pro wide receiver and gets burned by that receiver. Again the mindset is "well what do you expect, he's a rookie and they're going to go after him time and time again", but...

    Start a rookie quarterback against a full professional NFL caliber defense and what's the criticism? "He doesn't have what it takes to play at the NFL level"..."he still has a lot of work to do"..."With Trevor Lawrence coming out next season, they may be looking at trying to get him"

    Now granted, there are generational talents at quarterback that can instantly start and have success, but usually that team is already tailored built and needs only a quarterback. Look at the Colts. Prior to Manning being out in 2011 due to his neck injury, the Colts offensively were a juggernaut. Granted, a lot of that success had to do with Manning's ability but Manning certainly didn't throw that ball to himself. The Colts were dismal without a quality quarterback and when they drafted Luck, they were instantly back to what they had been prior to the 2011 tragic season.

    Other examples of that generational talent, thus far seem to be Mahomes, possibly Burrow and maybe even Murry but other talents who were touted in that category seem to have faultered and been deemed vulnerable. Watson, Wentz, Goff...flashes of brilliance but not so much as of late.

    All I'm getting at is that if you're going to start a rookie quarterback and expect great things from him, you still have to keep in mind that he is still just that...a rookie.
     
  34. Rick 1966

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    I don't agree with that. The team doesn't have to have instant success as far as wins go for you to tell the QB is a generational talent in his first season. Look at what Herbert and Burrow are doing right now. Their teams don't have good records because they are suspect on defense and the offensive line, but it's very clear how talented both of them are.
     
  35. AGuyNamedAlex

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    Right, it's about evaluating the player apart from the pieces around him.

    Maybe you cant guarantee a guy will be a star year one, but you can definitely see things like how he learns the offense and how deeply he understands it, how he handles pressure and adversity, accuracy and so forth.

    There is a fine line between giving a player time and wasting time on a player.
     
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    Keep in mind however that Burrow's first start this year was very poor, and Herbert has had a couple "clunker" games this year as well. And I'm talking about how they played individually, not whether their teams supported them or won. We have to give Tua a shot here. You may feel just as good about him in a few weeks.
     
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    Only one way to find out what we got and that's what Flores is doing.
     
  38. The_Dark_Knight

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    So if Kindly can’t block a Suh effectively because he’s a rookie...

    If Igbenoghene can’t cover a Julio Jones effectively because he’s a rookie...

    We’re going to give them a pass because we’ll...they’re ROOKIES but if Tagovailoa makes the same rookie mistakes at his position we’re going to look at him differently?
     
  39. Two Tacos

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    Just as a point of order, Rosen wasn't traded to the Bucs, he was cut by the Dolphins. Claimed by no one, and signed to the Bucs practice squad as a free agent. Because of this years Covid rules, the Bucs were protecting him from being signed off of the squad.
     
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  40. Rick 1966

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    No, no one said that. Like, at all.
     

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