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Covid-19 Inactive Players

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Galant, Nov 12, 2020.

  1. AGuyNamedAlex

    AGuyNamedAlex Well-Known Member

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    Different article but 1 in 5 is my 20% number I was recalling so thanks for posting that.
     
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  2. AGuyNamedAlex

    AGuyNamedAlex Well-Known Member

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    Without turning this into a POFO thread I honestly believe a lot of our "differences" as people come from the fact it's easy to look at extremists on either side and paint everyone that way.

    Like you said, we arent, most of us anyway, huddled up in fear or saying everyone is going to die. It's more that we really have no clue what long term consequences there may be and for how many people so some of us prefer to choose a cautious approach vs pretending that because we dont know it doesnt exist.
     
  3. TheHighExhaulted

    TheHighExhaulted Well-Known Member

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    Van Noy has been activated per the Miami Dolphins twitter account. As well as Antonio Callaway.
     
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  4. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    I still wonder if that's why my dad tested negative over and over again back in March, when a chest x-ray confirmed that he had it. The only person he was around though was me and my wife, who also tested negative multiple times. My personal belief (not based on anything scientific in the news) is that we simply botched this from trying to move so incredibly fast with a completely unknown virus. And it's hard to fault anyone for that....but I don't trust the testing because of it.

    A few years from now, I think we're going to find out that our science ultimately failed us here.
     
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  5. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Why do you assume that you are consuming the same media as most Americans? If a person is watching CNN/MSNBC/etc, they more than likely believe that covid is a death sentence. That is how it was portrayed in March, when the NYC debacle was going on, and people still are terrified of dying from covid.
     
  6. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    That's not really fair, man. Just because there is a 1% fatality rate doesn't mean that we're going to have 3 million dead. We have that rate right now, and are under 300K deaths. If covid disappeared tomorrow, we would still be left with a disease that killed less than 1%, in America.
     
  7. cbrad

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    The virus hasn't run its course, and there IS enough social distancing, mask wearing and partial shutdowns so that 1) not everyone gets it, and 2) the probability of repeat infections is low even if you do get it (it's those repeat infections that's responsible for deaths among otherwise healthy doctors treating covid patients). In other words, deaths are lower than otherwise would be.

    Even US policy (which I think has been a failure w.r.t. covid) doesn't reflect the view you described that it's such a small fatality rate so why care. The fatality rate for terrorism is orders of magnitude smaller yet we care a ton. It's the number of deaths or the impact on society that matters, not the fatality rate per se, and 250k is already too high.

    Either way, it is true that the fatality rate should be expected to gradually decrease as time goes on if for no other reason than doctors knowing how to treat covid better. In the end it will be somewhat like the flu: a disease we live with.
     
  8. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    I do not assume most Americans watch cable news

    You seem to take things I say and assume things I did not

    Also in March the CNN I did consume was fair and balanced and did not show it as a death sentence
     
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  9. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    This does not make any sense
     
  10. Finatik

    Finatik Season Ticket Holder Staff Member Club Member

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    That’s huge. Now if Wilkinson gets activated would like it much more.
     
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  11. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    What don't you understand? We currently have a fatality rate. Covid kills .6% of those it infects. We know that, and we didn't have to have 3 million people die.

    So when someone says "1% is still 3 million deaths" when I point out the fatality rate, it's not really being honest, as a 1% fatality rate doesn't mean that we are going to have 3 million deaths. We could end at 500k deaths and still have a 1% fatality rate.
     
  12. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Policy is shaped by public perception. Public perception is shaped by the media. So, when you have a panicked public, and we do/did as evidenced by the shortages we went through on toilet paper for instance, the government tries to make moves to calm the public. People honestly believe that they have a good chance of dying if they catch this. People can argue and say the media they watch didn't/doesn't scare them, but that isn't the norm. The only reason people are scared of this is because they were shown death and chaos March-May all over every mainstream media network, and newspaper, and magazine. This isn't like the 1918 Spanish flu where there were people dying all the time all over your local neighborhood, so you were afraid because you literally saw death everywhere, in person.
     
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  13. cbrad

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    So it's clear resnor, there a reason I said "potential deaths". I was pointing out potential consequences of taking the view you described: don't worry because the fatality rate is low. Just saying, there's nothing "dishonest" about "potential deaths".

    Sadly the media has become way too opinionated nowadays. But there's still no denying covid is serious. This isn't just another flu and it's something government should have taken as seriously as war. So even if what you say is true about people's perception of dying (I don't really have an opinion on it), it doesn't change the fact that our government (and most others in the world with a few notable exceptions) failed to prevent hundreds of thousands of deaths, and counting.
     
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  14. resnor

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    Yeah, I understand potential deaths. I'm just saying, that that response to talking about the fatality rate isn't really fair.

    Just something to think about, is it the government's responsibility to prevent death? I mean, you can't prevent death. The covid stats are even more in favor of what I'm saying if nursing home stats are removed. I know, you don't like removing data, but if you're looking at what risk you have if you are a relatively healthy human not in a nursing home, it's pretty enlightening.

    As to what covid is, I've seen some different theories that make a lot of sense. But, given that I've seen the actual CDC document that said they didn't have an isolated virus, and coronavirus is different from covid 19, I still have serious questions what they are actually testing for.
     
  15. cbrad

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    You can prevent dying earlier than you otherwise would. I think when an individual has little ability to influence his/her environment to prevent death while government does, it should be government's responsibility to prevent death.

    Infectious diseases for the most part fall into that category because many people have jobs or live in places that make it impossible to not contract the disease unless there's public policy that reduces the chance of contracting it. That includes development of vaccines and antibiotics (often the basic science required starts with government grants to individual researchers) as well as providing them to a large enough percentage of the population to have the intended effect.

    Same with the effects of better hygiene. Untold millions of lives saved because of basic sanitation, including vast reductions in infant mortality. You can also put regulations to limit microbial contamination of foods into this category. You can bet that left to the marketplace that's not getting fixed because companies can deny X, Y and Z. It even extends to basic workplace protections, like reducing incidence of black lung among coal miners. Same with improving traffic safety. These are all things few individuals can influence unless government does it.

    Where I think the line can be drawn is when it's something specific to that individual that is unlikely to harm others. Does a terminal cancer patient really need a hip replacement paid by government for example?

    Yeah there are certainly many risk factors that if you don't have your chance of dying from covid is miniscule. However, be careful about too much confidence because repeated infection is a whole different ballgame, as seen with health care workers that were constantly in the presence of covid patients for lengthy periods.

    I forget when it was, I think in the 1970's but there was a false scare regarding a certain type of vaccine where some scientist or clinician mistakenly thought it was causing brain damage in children, which caused a public scare, and while that was proven false it did lead to a fundamental shift in how vaccines are developed.

    Before that incident most vaccines used live microorganisms that were weakened so as to have a smaller chance of causing an infection, but after that many vaccines used only a portion of a microorganism that the body could still recognize, like a protein or just some part of the DNA or RNA.

    I'm assuming that's what people are talking about when they say they're not "isolating" the virus per se. They're isolating some protein made by that virus or some part of the RNA but not the entire RNA. There's nothing wrong with that as these vaccines work just as well, though for some unknown reason they have to add things called adjuvants to them to get them to work well (otherwise the body "forgets" things faster). A common adjuvant is a small amount of aluminum:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immunologic_adjuvant

    Anyway, there's nothing to be suspicious about regarding vaccines that use only small portions of a microorganism like a protein or RNA. All candidate vaccines have to go through extensive clinical trials not just to prove safety (most don't make it past that filter) and also efficacy, at least in some select population.
     
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  16. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    It is being honest, which is why your reply doesn't make sense.

    We didn't have 3 million people die because we didn't have over 300 million people infected.
     
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  17. Finatik

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    Too much money to be made and too much power to wield if you can keep everyone scared. Bottom line.
     

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