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Tua, Man!

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Galant, Nov 10, 2020.

  1. AGuyNamedAlex

    AGuyNamedAlex Well-Known Member

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    I dont think it's a big deal as in like...career defining. All I'm saying is he has made a lot of throws into unadvisable windows so far with mixed results but nothing too bad. Hes also extended some plays and done great things on the field.

    Part of growing is figuring out how to minimize the poor decisions while maximizing the good ones.
     
  2. Two Tacos

    Two Tacos Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Yeah, someone posted an endzone view of the throw which made it clear it was Tua trusting his arm to get it by the LB before he could react. I will see if I can find it. That quick release is special.

    **edit** LOL you posted it, wasn't showing on my browser till I replied.
     
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  3. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    I do not agree with "a lot". He had, "a few". In my opinion at least.
     
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  4. AGuyNamedAlex

    AGuyNamedAlex Well-Known Member

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    I guess that might just be semantics and what we consider a lot vs a few honestly.
    I doubt you're intentionally not counting throws or that I'm adding throws on. We watched the same games after all.
     
  5. Two Tacos

    Two Tacos Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Very few. Are we already forgetting how in love everyone was with Fitz and his 50/50 balls? Tua throws much fewer of those, even with our receivers being great at getting them. The throw to triple covered Parker in the endzone was not a great decision. He still put it up high enough that no one came down with it. And, if Parker had seen it sooner he was pretty much in the best postion to high point it, so maybe I'm wrong about that too.
     
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  6. AGuyNamedAlex

    AGuyNamedAlex Well-Known Member

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    So we arent allowed to evaluate his decisions because Fitz made bad ones at times? I'm not sure what you're implying. There is a difference between a deep ball being a 50/50 ball where the worst case is like a thrown punt, and throwing the ball directly to a LB which Fitz also has a bad habit of.

    Noone is beating Tua up. Just talking about ways he can improve. Hes not perfect you know and I wont spend his entire career comparing him to Fitz.
     
  7. Two Tacos

    Two Tacos Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    That's a bunch of weird straw men. No we won't compare him to Fitz for his entire career, but as of now is there a better comp for playing with the Dolphins recently? I mean, I guess Josh could be looked at.

    Also, never said you aren't allowed to evaluate anything. I implied that some, possibly you specifically, I don't remember your analysis of Fitz, were using a different standard for Tua. Fitz was praised for his 50/50 balls. He had 10tds to 7 INTs and many of those that questioned Tua taking over are the same that question his decision making. To be fair Ryan didn't throw an INT his first 2 games. Of course Tua will improve and is not at his best yet. That's an amazing thing though.

    Honestly, I've unblocked you, but your comments about Tua in that Rams game thread make it hard to take anything you have to say seriously. Do you still want him to be "tombstone pile driven" and have his neck broken to save the Dolphins from his play?
     
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  8. AGuyNamedAlex

    AGuyNamedAlex Well-Known Member

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    I dislike him as a person. As a football player I'm fine with him now, which is all I care about in terms of evaluating him.

    I also never said I hope his neck breaks. I wanted him knocked out of the game for sure though at that time and I also immediately deleted that post because it was too far even if I dislike him.
     
  9. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    Dude, seek some help.
     
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  10. AGuyNamedAlex

    AGuyNamedAlex Well-Known Member

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    For not liking him as a person? Sorry but I hate anyone who is overly religious. To me it's disgusting to go out there with crosses under your eyes potentially impacting small defenseless children who havent been indoctrinated to a sky dictator that doesnt exist. It also shows a lack of intelligence IMO.

    If I had kids I wouldnt even let them watch a game with that at QB. Like I said though if he performs, that's all I'll base an evaluation on and wanting him injured I admit was too far.
     
  11. Two Tacos

    Two Tacos Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Well, it's moot now, but I remember the words "neck" and "snapped". Could be a false memory from the context I guess. Regardless, I should move on, or leave you blocked, and I'd like to think I don't need to leave anyone blocked that isn't purposefully insulting, so I'm not going to mention it again.

    What is it about him personally that you don't like? I think you're the first person I've come across with that particular opinion. And, I'm someone that found Tebow and his proselytizing irritating.
     
  12. Two Tacos

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    As an atheist I find the bolded insane. But, this thread is about to rightly go into admin deletion mode, so I'm out!
     
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  13. KeyFin

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    Context is everything here though- that was Tua's 3rd start in the NFL...without a preseason and with his QB coach out with COVID.

    I completely agree that it was a bad pass, but if you're getting that nit-picky of a rookie under these circumstances then you've already realized how much potential he has. Did we freak out last season when Preston Williams dropped a pass? Or when some guy who's name we didn't even know missed a tackle? No, because that was the initial expectation. Nobody is treating Tua like a rookie going into his 4th overall start and the standard is set much too high- ask yourself why though.

    Find that answer and you'll figure out why some folks are super excited.

    Tua will throw some picks this season and he will make several bad plays...just remember that rookies are SUPPOSED TO do that from time to time. An unbiased look shows that he's clearly overachieving, even with occasional plays like you shared above.
     
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  15. TheHighExhaulted

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    Aaron Rodgers threw three passes into Jags defenders hands last week that they dropped. He sucks.
     
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  16. AGuyNamedAlex

    AGuyNamedAlex Well-Known Member

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    I want to apologize for coming off too strong. I'm just very against the public display of religion and he just seems kind of plastic and fake to me generally.

    I can promise you I didnt say neck snapped, I'd never say that about anyone. That is death, I dont want the man dead.

    There is no need to block me, 99% of my posts, whether people agree or not in terms of what I'm saying, are presenting a valid argument and as I said I only care to evaluate him as a football player. I dislike Tebow a lot but if he could have led us to a Superbowl I'd have taken him.
     
  17. AGuyNamedAlex

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    Like I said, I'm not pointing out the play because I think its career defining or shows some secret flaw that means he wont succeed.

    I agree with basically everything you just said actually.

    It might help people a but if I explain what type of person I am. I understand that perfection is unattainable, but in my eyes it's the thing you should always be going for and working towards. I'm not the type who likes to look at all the great things we just did, I'm the type who wants to find all the things we can do better to improve ourselves.

    It's totally fine to be happy with Tua. I'm his self proclaimed biggest detractor and even I've admitted that so far he has surpassed my expectations.

    My goal is always realism. His great plays have been great and I do expect rookie mistakes. When those mistakes happen I'm not pointing them out to be some sort of "hater" I'm pointing out those rookie mistakes so we can take note if them now and see whether he overcomes them or not.

    It just irks me when people dont acknowledge the mistakes or try to sweep them under the rug. They happened and we should be allowed and encouraged to discuss them as much as the great plays.

    I hope that clears my stance on the subject up a bit for anyone, and again I apologize to anyone if I came off too aggressive. It's the internet and I just talk however I feel like it, if any of you knew me in real life youd probably realize that a good portion of the time what I'm saying is an intentional exaggeration to make a point or because I didnt like the tone of the question posed.
     
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  18. KeyFin

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    Yup, and I agree with you as well. He will make bad reads or throw bad passes...just like every quarterback who ever played the game did in their prime. Folks just need to realize that Tua's prime is hopefully still years away. This is the baseline from raw talent. I have a feeling that the best is yet to come.
     
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  19. The_Dark_Knight

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    Alex, the beauty of this country, which includes football players is we have the freedom of religion, not freedom from religion.

    To say you don’t like Tagovailoa as a person is a bit nonsensical. You don’t even KNOW the kid. It’s not like he’s “Tebow-ing”. He’s doing nothing to “indoctrinate” anyone.

    You see the crosses under his eyes and you see religion. Someone else may see those same crosses as reminders of the brutal execution devices used by the Romans. It’s all a matter of personal perception

    Live and let live. Tagovailoa isn’t the only deeply religious player in the NFL
     
  20. Ronnie Bass

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    You're an ***, if you ever saw the work Tebow does with special needs children you wouldn't dislike him, and if you have and still dislike him, then you're the fraud as the human being, not Tua or Tebow.
     
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  21. AGuyNamedAlex

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    Not liking a person doesnt mean you cant acknowledge good aspects about them. It just means you dislike their personality or beliefs.
     
  22. Ronnie Bass

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    Lol, right!
     
  23. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity

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    Alright guys, this is getting a bit too personal.
    The rule has always been attack the post, not the poster. Stick to that please and move away from insults, name-calling and any other personal attacks.
     
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    You might not like Tua because of his views too but then again who cares?People may not fit in to who you think they should be.
     
  25. KeyFin

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    Quick story- Tebow's parents were overseas when his mom was pregnant with him. At the six month mark, they said that something is wrong with the baby and his brain wasn't developing properly. They expected him to be born with Downs or a similar condition, and the physicians recommended his mom abort the pregnancy for medical reasons (mom had some medical stuff going on as well). Tebow's parents talked about it, prayed for days, and decided no...they'll love him no matter what the outcome was; it was still a blessing. At 8 months they had the same conversation- things didn't look perfect and something was off. Abortion, the doctors said, because there was a chance the baby may not even survive the birthing process. But again, the parents spoke of God's will- whatever is meant to be will happen and they'll be thankful.

    Tebow was born perfectly healthy, no deformities, no brain trauma or irregularities. And from the day that he could walk/talk, he was raised with this story of how he needed to be thankful and give back through his actions. That's what drives him to this day; in his mind it absolutely defines him. Just as importantly, it tells you about who raised him and their personal belief systems...how he was taught, nurtured, etc. I heard this story from a family friend to the Tebow's that I trust unconditionally...so I believe it's 100% true.

    I completely understand that some may have different religious, political or worldly beliefs. We can't talk about that stuff here anyway and my opinion is solely based on Tebow, the person, and how much he does for others every single day of his life. He's an AMAZING guy and perhaps one of the most moral people in the US at this time- and now you know why.
     
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  26. Galant

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  27. AGuyNamedAlex

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    Right, like I said I dont take any issue with his intentions or the good deeds he does. I have issues with what he does them in the name of, which to me entirely invalidates the act itself and makes it neutral rather than good.

    I understand that isnt how most people view the world though and as far as football goes, as I said I only care that a guy isnt out committing harmful felonies and performs on the field. The other aspects of their life are an entirely different subject for a different place.
     
  28. KeyFin

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    When you say he does it "in the name of....", do you not think he's also doing it to honor himself, his parents, his friends, his fiancee, etc?

    I mean, if I was about to get hit by a car and somebody jumped out of nowhere to push me out of the way, then said, "I spared you in the name of the four-headed chicken monster!" Should I be offended because I don't believe in four-headed chicken monsters....or should I be thankful the guy saved my life?

    That's how I see it with Tebow as well. His actions speak so much louder than his beliefs.
     
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  29. AGuyNamedAlex

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    Right, I dont disagree entirely of course. Like I said I dont think his actions or intentions are negative. If someone said they did it in the name of Hitler though I'd feel a bit awkward, so whether people agree or not I respect that but to me it's an important piece of the puzzle, the why, not just the action.
     
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    :sidelol::sidelol::sidelol: ...It's not like this thread went off the rails.
     
  31. Sceeto

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    From Tua to brutal Roman executions to Tebow to Tebow's pregnant mother to a four headed chicken monster to Hitler to....uhhhh.........far out.
     
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