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Thoughts on benching Tua?

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by jdallen1222, Nov 22, 2020.

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  1. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    The times I have been wrong about a Dolphins QB are rare, and almost always it was when I was too optimistic. You keep hitting that pipe and taking hits of false hope. I went cold turkey.
     
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  2. Ronnie Bass

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    Oh, you didn't tell me you were a QB genius, that's a horse of a different color!
     
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  3. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    And you're acting like part of a horse of a different color.
     
  4. Ronnie Bass

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    By being sensible? Ok Sparky!
     
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  5. Rick 1966

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    You're not being sensible, you're delaying your judgement because you don't feel like you've seen enough. And maybe you haven't. Maybe you just don't pay enough attention to NFL QBs to be able to discern when one has that extra something special. Don't beat yourself up over it. Not everyone has the ability to pay attention and process information.
     
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  6. Ronnie Bass

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    Yeah that's it Sparky! Now go chase a firetruck.
     
  7. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    I wonder if you actually believe that makes you sound pithy or intelligent. Pro tip: it doesn't.
     
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  8. ExplosionsInDaSky

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    I think it's possible that your'e also rushing your judgement. You tell us how you are a QB genius and nobody is going to care much less believe you.
     
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  9. Ronnie Bass

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    I don't care what you think, no offense.
     
  10. Hooligan

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    One thing is for certain, Tua needs some serious competition and needs to win the starting job and not just be handed the job away from a QB who is clearly playing better and is a better leader.
     
  11. Rick 1966

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    No, I never said I was a QB genius. You don't have to be a QB genius to tell when one doesn't have the capability to be a star. Those are easy to spot. What's harder is to be able to tell when a QB who is playing well has weaknesses that will hurt him down the line. Almost anyone who's been paying attention for the last 40-some years can tell a bad QB.
     
  12. Rick 1966

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    It's only fair, since I feel the same way about your opinions.
     
  13. Ronnie Bass

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    Good for you Sparky!
     
  14. Kud_II

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    Anyway Ive calmed down since the game I still want to draft an insurance QB in the first round. I think we can use our late 1st and grab Trask, I happen to be a Gators fan, but my objective opinion is that he has all the tools of a traditional pocket QB with all the tools to make the transition to the NFL. He's declaring as a Junior, so he's projected to be the 5th QB off the board (which is insane to me) would be a steal.

    With Houston pick we have multiple options.
     
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  15. Rick 1966

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    Maybe you'd care to make a bet? It would have to be long-term, but we could ask the mods to keep the records of it. If Tua is a pro-bowler in either of the next two seasons, I'll pay for your secret-squirrel club membership here. If not, you have to pay for me to join the secret squirrel luxury box.

    Or do you just trash-talk and not stand by what you say?
     
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  16. resnor

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    I watched Tua in college, quite a bit, as I watch most Alabama games. I was never really impressed with Tua, and never felt that he was anything more than a piece of the offense. He never wowed me. I never thought, "Damn I hope we get a shot to draft this kid!"

    And here we are, in the NFL, Tua is not simply not wowing me, he's actually worrying me. I'm with Rick, I think his CEILING is very good QB, butt that isn't what we were going after with a top 5 pick.

    I think Tua ends up like Ginn. Decent player that has a solid career, but never lives up to draft status.
     
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  17. Ronnie Bass

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    I thought you didn't care?
     
  18. Rick 1966

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    And you claim you don't, yet you keep replying to me. Pot, kettle.
     
  19. Rick 1966

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    So, does this mean you don't want to back up your trash talk?
     
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  20. Ronnie Bass

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    That's fine and you very well might be, maybe you've missed my posts where I said I'm not sold on him either, I'm not a Tua fanboy, just in my opinion the worst thing you can do it use another top 5 pick on a QB back to back. Especially when outside of Lawrence there is no sure thing at QB in the draft, so all you want to roll the dice again, I can't sign on to that, its impulsive.
     
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  21. resnor

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    Dude, I can't imagine any rational football fan would take that bet. Hahahaha
     
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  22. Kud_II

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    ^btw I've not given up on Tua he seriously needs a top QB coach and a new release, also needs to progress though his reads faster and get comfortable into throwing into much tighter NFL windows.

    Draft a top QB let them duke it out, trade the other.

    I personally think Tua needs more work than Trask but that's not really a fair comparison for obvious reasons.
     
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  23. resnor

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    I'm not really arguing with you, just giving my perspective. But, yes, I'd do everything I could to get the best prospect possible in this next draft.
     
  24. Ronnie Bass

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    I'm not sold on Tua, so why would I make that bet? Or any bet with you?
     
  25. Rick 1966

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    Hey, he's convinced I'm wrong. If he actually believes what he posted and isn't trolling, he'll take the bet.
     
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  26. Ronnie Bass

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    I didn't say we were arguing, now me and Rick are arguing, but at the moment you and me are having a reasonable talk.
     
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  27. Rick 1966

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    So, you admit you're just a trash talker with nothing to back it up, then?
     
  28. KeyFin

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    My brother is a huge Gators fan so I watched them the last two years pretty extensively. Starting last season, Trask was inaccurate and hesitant at times, often holding the ball too long. I honestly though he'd be benched at some point but week after week, he just kept getting better. He was not the same QB at the end of last season.

    This year, Trask absolutely looked like he was going to take the Heisman with several massive games in a row. Like Tua at Alabama, Trask had some serious targets to throw to but you could also see him working for those TD's. I was extremely impressed with him this season and I could see him in a pro-style offense in the NFL. Not sure I'd call him a sure thing but man, he had one heck of a year and will definitely be a steal in the 2nd round.
     
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  29. resnor

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    Also, I'd like to point out, I backed Tannehill for years. Here's what I learned:

    Miami never ever actually built a team around Tannehill's strengths, so we were never relevant. We would have been better served to have rolled the dice on several different prospects over those years.

    I am not interested in doing this again with Tua. Also, importantly, Tannehill was incredibly raw, everyone knew it, so he was going to need time. That is not the case with Tua. The selling point in Tua was that despite the lack of arm strength, short height, and not being particularly mobile (he's not Wilson or Mahomes), he was smart, accurate, etc. He doesn't appear to be any of those things. His lack of interceptions wasn't due to stellar decisions and play, but because he didn't throw downfield.
     
  30. Ronnie Bass

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    Just curious, what in your opinion is my stance?
     
  31. Rick 1966

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    Your stance is that you don't believe that I or anyone else can say with any certainty at this point that Tua is not potentially a pro bowl QB. I say that yes, I can. If you actually believe that I can't be right, then you should have a better than 50-50 shot at winning the bet.
     
  32. ExplosionsInDaSky

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    How is it that you could tell he was going to be bad, but professional scouts could not? Are you claiming to know more than a professional scout/talent evaluator? You know more than a Trent Dilfer who actually played the position?
    Or...are you just claiming that Tua is an all out bust? If so, I respect that opinion, but I think it's a little premature to just give up on the kid.

    With that said, I do think we need to draft another quarterback though as having a franchise QB or at least one competent enough to get you to the playoffs is extremely important. He hasn't shown me enough to be totally confident in him, but i'm also willing to consider the circumstances surrounding him. I think he's going to get another shot at this next season, but it definitely shouldn't be handed to him. He hasn't earned it yet. He's played decent at times and was downright awful these last two weeks. So I can definitely understand the disdain at this point. He has earned that.
     
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    I never said he would be a bad QB before the draft. It's very very difficult to tell if a good college QB will be good in the NFL, particularly one who is surrounded by talent like Alabama. I was willing to give him a shot this season. And I was willing to accept some rookie mistakes, interceptions, that sort of thing. Those are an acceptable price of learning the game. What is NOT acceptable is his habit of checking down almost every play. He's not seeing the field. He's playing scared. That's not the mindset of a QB who's going to be a star.
     
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  34. Ronnie Bass

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    I don't believe no one can, I'm not betting you, if you're looking for a moral victory here, take it, you apparently need it more than me.
     
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  35. AGuyNamedAlex

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    It doesnt take special talent to evaluate a QB. Even if I nailed every evaluation no team would make me their GM. That isnt how life works.

    The only thing a person watching on their own cant do is personally speak to a player.

    A person not being part of a front office really has no impact on their likelihood of being right or wrong. It's not like being a surgeon.
     
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  36. Destroyer

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    The kids is a bust. You can accept it now or wait until he's bad next season. It doesn't matter to me.
     
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  37. Rick 1966

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    Well, a moral victory is the only sort of victory any Dolphin fan is going to get for the next 9 months so...
     
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  38. Ronnie Bass

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    LOL, agreed!
     
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  39. Silverphin

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    Tua is still has a lot to learn. But, it's his first year. I'm not at the point where I think that a top five pick should be used on a QB.
     
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  40. ExplosionsInDaSky

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    Dude, I am NOT getting into it with you. You were acting like a tyrant on here earlier and our conversation is going to go nowhere fast. If you'd like to know where I personally stand on this then I suggest you go back and read some of my recent posts. In short...Since you wont...I think that he gets another look next season, but that's not going to be without some stiff competition. He shouldn't just be handed the job. We have to do whatever is necessary to get it right with this position or else these ever so long arguments are going to rage on forever. Good day to you and good offseason. See ya at the draft.
     
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