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New OL - Isaiah Wilson - WAIVED

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by texanphinatic, Mar 8, 2021.

  1. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    https://www.profootballrumors.com/2021/03/dolphins-to-acquire-titans-t-isaiah-wilson

    For a (presumably) later round pick swap, I can't really be mad. I wonder if Flores has been in contact with the dude at all - I guess he and the Titans haven't talked for some time. If he can get the motor going, he could be a huge asset, but it seems like the desire/maturity just isn't there.
     
  2. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    Wow, Miami now has 4 first round picks, 2 second round picks, and 2 third round picks from 2020 on the team.
     
  3. Striking

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    Lays off the booze and maybe you have something. Costs us nothing and given his performance thus far, can maybe be stashed on the practice squad for a bit
     
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  4. Ronnie Bass

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    I know little of this kid, for us to get a 2020 first rounder for the swap of two late rounders, did he shoot up a 7/11 or something? How did he stock drop like that?
     
  5. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    A lot of stupid decisions and looks like maybe having a mental crisis
     
  6. Ronnie Bass

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    Ahhhh, well I hope he gets his life together and not just for our sake.
     
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  7. Ronnie Bass

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    Sweet Jesus he's a big kid.
     
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  8. Ronnie Bass

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    Here is cool fact I just realized, this kid is from Brooklyn and we know who else is from there.
     
  9. Galant

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  10. Galant

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  11. TheHighExhaulted

    TheHighExhaulted Well-Known Member

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    He's Kindley's buddy too. Hopefully he's a positive role model for him.
     
  12. The G Man

    The G Man Git 'r doooonnne!!!

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    Welp, Tennessee's loss could be our gain. Hopefully Flo can coach him up.
     
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  13. Tin Indian

    Tin Indian Rockin' The Bottom End Club Member

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    He went 1 pick ahead of us last year. Makes you wonder a little if he had been there when we picked would we have taken him instead of Noah.
     
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  14. Tin Indian

    Tin Indian Rockin' The Bottom End Club Member

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    I think it's a great deal for us because there is so little risk involved for us and the potential upside is tremendous. If anyone out there can get this kid back on track it's Coach Flo.
     
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  15. pumpdogs

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    We now have 4 2020 number 1 picks.One of them as to be good right?
     
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  16. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    Two first round OL, would have been an interesting tactic.

    However, Flores was reportedly HUGE on Iggy and was the driving force for that pick. He's a dude I would love to see step up like a Jaire Alexander. Make one of Jones or X redundant and get some salary relief next year.

    Wilson just needs to get his head on straight. We will see if Flores and Co can reach him. He was reportedly a high character guy at Georgia, but he's had a really really bad stretch including a DUI iirc.
     
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  17. The Guy

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    That doesn’t look like the typical draft celebration. You don’t see the typical support from parents there.
     
  18. mlb1399

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    Almost a 0 risk move for a first round talent. Hoping Flo can make this look like the Houston trade part 2.
     
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  19. OwesOwn614

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    No doubt Flo talked to Big Fish before making this trade. Kindley probably had a lot of good things to say about his former teammate.
     
  20. KeyFin

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    I read a decent bit about him last night and the Titans haven't talked to him since December- it sounds like he completely melted down after getting in trouble with the law (DUI). The talent is certainly there but it sounds like he needs to turn the corner with maturity- we'll see what happens. Like others have said, there's zero downside here if he doesn't develop. Great move!
     
  21. Deus ex dolphin

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    Miami seems to be the only team that could help Wilson turn his life/career around, due to having his college teammate and a coach in Flores that knows exactly where Isaiah came from.

    It's a risk worth taking and a win-win for player and team if it works out. Wilson seems to have been needing time to develop coming out of school, so he may only be depth for most of this year. The physical gifts are clear though.
     
  22. Finatik

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    The Titans have given up on former first-round choice Isaiah Wilson, shipping him to the Dolphins on Monday, Ian Rapoport of NFL Media reports. The Titans receive a 2021 seventh-round choice, while the Dolphins get a 2022 seventh-round selection along with Wilson, per Albert Breer of SI.com.

    Tennessee used the 29th overall choice on Wilson last spring, but he made more headlines off the field than on it. Wilson, who turned 22 last month, played only four snaps as a rookie. His first season included a DUI arrest, a suspension for violating team rules, a pair of stints on the reserve/COVID-19 list and placement on the non-football illness list to work on personal issues.

    Titans General Manager Jon Robinson recently said Wilson must “make a determination” if he wants to play pro football. Soon after, Wilson posted and deleted a tweet saying he was done playing for the Titans.
     
  23. Finatik

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    I'm a little on the fence about this. Flo says he wants high character guys and this young man I wouldn't say has displayed that. On the flip side swaping a 7th rounder is like getting him for nothing. His contract isn't huge and if he gets his chit together then he could be a nice piece in the rotation.

    Guys make mistakes when they're young. It would appear that the Titans took a more hard line approach with him (not that it wasn't deserved). But being young, getting a nice chunk of change can make a youngster, hell even me, go a little fun crazy. South Beach has it's enticements, but so does Nashville. Let's hope for him and the Dolphins he returns to a form where he shows why he was a 1st round pick.
     
  24. Galant

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    Weird thing about Wilson, as far as I've heard based on some videos and articles recently, is that he didn't have any history of issues when young. It all seems to have started after getting drafted. Prior to all that he was seen as a smart, diligent, player, someone coaches wanted on the team...
     
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  25. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    While I believe it is worth the risk and there is a chance of Wilson making a comeback, we have to remember that the chances of that are low.

    People with mental health issues in the NFL don't have the best track record of bouncing back after having such breakdowns.

    The NFL doesn't seem like the best environment to help people in this situation. M. Wright, D. Underwood, That dude from Arizona DE, J. Martin, and the guys with criminal behavior C. Collins and L. Phillips are some examples on the Dolphins alone.

    I am trying to think of ones where this has worked out, I can't think of any off the top of my head.

    I think having a friend will help and having a coach that can empathize with his situation is a positive.

    Myself, I give this about a 20% chance of working out.
     
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  26. KeyFin

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    I thought I read somewhere that Wilson played some center in college.

    But to address your point directly, I think you have to look at this kid as a project and draft like he's not in the room. If he develops (and I think he will), then you have added depth on that offensive line and everyone's still on the cheap since they're almost all on rookie contracts.

    Fantastic signing though that's 100% on Flores and his reputation! I'd give the chances of him working out closer to 50/50. My oldest has mental issues and the people you surround yourself with are EVERYTHING in getting past it. Heck, I'll go 60/40 on his chances...just have a great feeling about it.
     
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  27. Galant

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  28. tirty8

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    I think Flo and Grier love to try these reclamation projects.

    Realistically, this is their third attempt - Taco Carleton and Robert Nkemdiche being the other two reclamation projects.

    Honestly, I thought Taco played really well, and I had no issue bringing him back. He did go on to play for KC, so in a sense, things have somewhat worked out for him although he has not lived up to his billing.

    My understanding with Nkemdiche was that he simply did not get that he was given his second and likely last chance.

    Here is my concern. I think Wilson is far closer to Nkemdiche than he is to Taco. It is rare to see a first round pick barely touch the field after his first season with a team. It is even rarer to see a team give up on its first round pick after one season. What makes this proposition even more dubious is the fact that you saw what we gave up to get him. Essentially, no other team in the league thought that he was worth the trouble.

    My guess is that he doesn't wind up making the team. After the Titans selected him in the first round, it is obvious that they have the most incentive to get him onto the right track. If things were starting to look up, I think the Titans would have kept him around. It appears that he is on a downward spiral, and some of these guys just can't be saved.

    On a positive note. Like many have said, the cost to acquire him was essentially zero. I look at late round picks like this as nothing more than lottery tickets. I look at guys like last year's 7th round pick, Malcolm Perry as more or less what you get with a 7th rounder - a practice squad/fringe roster guy. I loved Wilson coming out of the draft in terms of talent and thought that he could be a steal, but the fact that he could not get onto the field is a double-edged sword.

    If he does show the talent to get onto the field around the time of cuts, we also have consider whether or not we can rely on him as a person as well. I think the front office will have to weigh that into its consideration. Would you want a talented guy on your roster that could contribute in games, but he is also a ticking time bomb who could wind up getting cut one week for doing stupid, or would you rather have a less talented guy that you can rely on to be in here week in and week out.

    There is a lot to unpack on this one.
     
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  29. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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  30. OwesOwn614

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    Lowest risk imaginable but high reward. Swapping picks only hurts us because we get the 2022 7th round selection at the expense of a 2021 7th rounder. Mando wrote a column that said that Flo has known Wilson for years. That, along with him being Kindley's Dawg teammate suggests that they think they know how to keep him in line. The only thing that might make me a little downbeat is the fact that it signals that we're almost definitely not selecting Sewell next month. I highly doubt we add a fourth young tackle in two years although the competition would be fierce.
     
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  31. Disgustipate

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    I'm pretty bullish on Isaiah Wilson.

    I was a big fan of him as a prospect, and I think there's a good chance he's just a dumb kid and Miami has the mechanisms in place to get him on the right track. He's got a guy he is apparently friends with in Solomon Kindley, and the Dolphins in general have a close knit of OL in the same age range who might be able to bond and be a good influence.

    You're probably going to need to give him time as a prospect, I think- he's a little bit raw and unique as a player. Someone compared him to Orlando Brown Jr., and I think it's a good comparison where he might ideally need to be limited to some degree in pass protection. Although on the other hand, some of the flaws he does have are similar to those you've got with Robert Hunt, and that worked out well way quicker than I'd have expected.
     
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  32. Destroyer

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    Brandon Marshall too.

     
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  33. Galant

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  34. Puka-head

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    One of his high school coaches is on the staff too. Haven't seen anything about family support which would help if it was positive. Wish the young man the best, if he feels the same about himself he's being set up for success. Hope he grabs it.
     
  35. DOLFANMIKE

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  36. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    Looking at the LSU vs Georgia tapes is when he gets his hands on the defender, it is over. If the defender can make sure that doesn't happen, then he has a good chance of making the play.

    It also looks like it is too easy for really good players to make sure they don't get his hands on him. Has a lot to work on.
     
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  37. DOLFANMIKE

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    I could see him becoming an Guard
     
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  38. dolfan22

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    Enormous upside but he's described as true poison by some in the organization and really not liked in the dressing room, so zero doubt to why he was shown the door. You then also have what are probable emotional and mental health concerns. High IQ person so he has that going for him.
     
  39. Pennington's Limp Arm

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    So I guess this trade isn’t happening now?
    Or am I reading this wrong ?
    Bizarre.


     
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  40. TheHighExhaulted

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    You're reading it wrong.
     

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