We're getting close enough to draft day to get some real opinions here, so what's your preference for #3 overall? If you want, choose your personal preference in the poll and also give your prediction of what will actually happen (if you believe those two things are different). Personally, I'm hoping for multiple trade-backs...maybe from 3 to 5 or 6 and then from there to 10-12, ultimately taking the top WR remaining while picking up two 1st rounders next season. I am expecting us to trade back once though and do the exact same thing- probably taking Smith or Waddle at #6, 7, or 8. The reason why I want that is because if we pick up two 2021 draft picks from bottom-10 teams this season, that could potentially become #1 overall next year. We're in an amazing position today and I'd love to make this an annual event of playing the draft smarter than everyone else (without having to trade another Tunsil-like player). I also feel like there will be a run on QB's and Waddle will still be there as an absolute steal at #11. I could also easily make the argument for Pitts at #3 though!
We also have to get quality sometimes.This team only has 1 star and that's howard. I would rather end up with a kylie Pitts than 2 Austin jackson like players. 1 trade back is enough.
1. Wilson or Lawrence - the whole rebuild is useless if you don't find your QB. No one will criticise two picks if you do. Everyone will criticise one pick if you don't. 2. Sewell - Too much potential impact on the whole offense to skip. 3. Pitts - Special guy. 4. Chase or Smith - can move on from expensive free agent if either one succeeds. 5. Trade Back 6-9 - Value!
If we make the pick, I'd like to nab Chase at #3. I'd prefer we drop (once) and take the player at 5-9 that we'd likely take at #3 anyway. If I was Grier, I'd do it for 5-9 and next year's 1st or 2nd round pick because we're going to have five top 90 selections to add to 9 or 10 second-year players. At some point, we're going to have too much youth. Great for competition (iron sharpens iron) but a terrible use of assets if we wind up cutting players that eventually start for other teams. I'd much prefer that a trade net us future assets instead of picks in this draft.
I think if they weren't 100% on Tua the best move would be to trade down and pick up a first next year. That way they still get top talent for Tua but it wouldn't be a nightmare scenario if he didn't work out.
I see the draft as having three clearly elite prospects - Lawrence, Pitts and Sewell. By luck, we end up having a top three pick, so we're guaranteed a shot at one of those three no matter what if we stay put. And while I think that Lawrence is the best QB prospect to come along since Andrew Luck, I'd say the odds that he's there at #3 are about one in a million. So, being realistic, my top choice is Pitts. I think that he is far and away the best positional prospect on offense in this class with a huge upside, and he's not even 21 years old yet. Take him, and develop him into the target that the passing game revolves around for the next decade, please. However, I also think that Sewell is a fantastic prospect at OT, and he's also not even 21 yet. While I want Pitts, I'm not going to cry if we take Sewell instead. He's special, and he would help the OL for a long time to come. After that, there's no option that I'm high on. Normally, I'm a big trade back guy. I've absolutely wanted t trade back every other time that we've had a top 5 pick in my time as a fan. However, I see the huge gulf in talent between those guys and the rest as too much to risk letting go of.
The idea of drafting a quarterback at #3 this year after picking Tua in the top 5 last year is silly in itself. But to think that the unanimous #1 and #2 picks are going to be there at #3 is even more silly in itself.
How do I plan on picking Lawrence at 3? I don't plan on doing it. I would have thought everyone understood that in a thread like this everything is conditional. I would pick one of those two QBs if it turns out they're available. How likely is it? I've no idea. Depends on New York. If they don't take a WB or take a different QB then we'll be next. I would have thought that was obvious. Why do you think I listed other options? In case the first choice isn't there. As for me being the only guy, I don't care. I don't think that's true, but even if it is, it's my preference. Deal with it. Also note, just preferring one move doesn't mean I wouldn't appreciate other moves. Do look up superlatives. You might find the concept helpful.
My list: 1. Trade down 5-9 2. Pitts 3. Sewell I would trade down, so we have 2 first round picks next year again that way we have the ammunition if Tua fails and it’s always good to have more picks, cause you never know what you‘re going to get in the end. If they stay at 3 it has to be Pitts, he is special. Everything else I wouldn‘t understand, he is one of a kind, Lawrence is the number 1 prospect but after that it‘s clearly Pitts.
But not because you think drafting a second QB is silly, but because you think Rosen was the better choice in the first place, right?
I didn't like Tua coming out and nothing has changed my mind but I don't see them giving up on him since they all agreed to draft him.. Murray situation was a little different new coach who wanted his own Qb and it helped murray s style fitted his offence better that Rosen. I really hope we trade down and get another 1st rd pick for 2022 in case Tua busts and move on next year
Exactly...no reason to beat anyone up and it's why I tried to cover every possible option. I didn't include trading up for Lawrence because I don't think that's realistic, but I genuinely wanted to hear everyone's opinion to see if we have a consensus forming.
Both. I think that if you're commited to making that kind of investment in the first place, then barring some sort of long term injury, taking another QB high the following season is just wasteful madness. Either you didn't do enough work the first year, or you were just horribly wrong about the guy to such an extent that you'd give up after one season. Either way, it proves incompetence of the GM and/or coach.
Yup, he was (and probably still is) very high on Rosen's potential. I can see that viewpoint, but I can also see why they grabbed Murray. The only thing I don't understand is why they felt like they had to move Rosen immediately...I would have kept both young QB's for a few seasons minimum.
And Josh Rosen had one of the worst rookie seasons in NFL history as well as having the amazing stat of having not one game with a QB rating of over 90. Jamarcus Russell was able to get over 90 rating his rookie year and he started two games. I know QB rating isn't perfect but Rosen ended with a 66.7 rating after starting 13 games with 3.6% interception percentage.
I agree with trading back just far enough to get a first rd pick for next year and get Tua some legit competition if we miss the playoffs due to clearly "Ho Hum" QB play. Let's not drag this out for 6-7 years and multiple HCs.
Trading back into the 5-9 range would be my preference - I think the offers will be there if we want them. If we stay at 3, it's hard to not see Sewell, especially with Isaiah Wilson washing out the way he did. However, I am definitely coming around to Pitts. I was listening to former NFL lineman Jon Jansen on the radio today (he's a local host in Detroit) saying he would draft Pitts over Sewell, and for an actual OL to say that ... well that's an endorsement. Essentially, the argument he gave is that Pitts isn't a TE, is more of a WR and will just present too many matchup problems from all over to pass up. He made the same comparison that CK has been making - Calvin Johnson. The reason why I am willing to trade down despite that is because there is LOTS of good pass catching talent in this draft from top down, and we could use the ammo, it never hurts to stockpile future picks. Plus ... as good as Calvin was, he never lead Detroit to anything. Pass catchers - even elite/game changing types - are often just not building blocks. I dunno man.
Which bit? The bit where she says, "If I don't have a question....I'm going to trade down..."? Or the bit where Florio talks about QB's other than Lawrence and Wilson? Or the bit where they both talk about bringing in another QB instead of Tua - Watson? Which bit are you referring to?