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A great argument for Drafting Pitts at #3 Overall

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  1. DOLFANMIKE

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  2. JJ_79

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    Him or Sewell at 3, my preference would be Pitts, this dude is something else.
     
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  3. Galant

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    Here's another reason:

     
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  4. KeyFin

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    The ideal, dream scenario would be to trade back and Pitts is somehow still on the board. I think the draft will go Lawrence, Wilson, Fields (if we trade back), Sewell...then it's Pitts or one of the elite WR's. So he could conceivably be there at #6 still.

    Either way, I would ideally want to pick in the 6-8 range and grab from the same group I'd take at #3- Pitts, Chase, Waddle, Smith, Sewell or even Parsons. I don't think there's a bad choice in the bunch and I wouldn't be shocked to see us go defense (Parsons).
     
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  5. JJ_79

    JJ_79 Well-Known Member

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    I agree, but Pitts really has me thinking of talking him at 3. Tough decision ahead for Grier, can‘t wait for the draft!
     
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  6. KeyFin

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    I agree, I am convinced that he's a generational talent. This draft is just one of the rare occasions where the top-10 is really loaded up with elite talent and lots of options. That also means you're getting very solid prospects in the teens and 20's...I'm excited to see how it plays out as well!
     
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  7. Galant

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    Here you go:

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    Could have gone Najee at18 too!

    :)
     
  8. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    I'd think 6 to 8 would get more than #151...should be a late 2nd rounder (fair trade) or a 2021 1st (blood-sucking vampire move that I'd love). But we'll have to see how it all shakes out since teams will be in love with someone throughout the top-10.

    In terms of Najee or Smith...I think you have to take Smith. Najee might be the better fit though with Pitts in the building. He's the one player I hope we overpay for and secure early (or Etienne, whichever they prefer). Both RB's are perfect for this offense in slightly different ways.
     
  9. DOLFANMIKE

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    I keep reading that Philly won't let Pitts go if he's there when they pick. They think he's a difference maker for their young QB.

    Still, the only thing I like better than Pitts at #3 overall is a trade back inside #10 overall giving us an additional #1 this year and next plus a 2nd rounder.

    I hope QB Fields has a massive Pro Day and looks like the next Michael Vick so they fight to get to pick #3 overall.
     
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  11. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    Has a team ever done a double trade down in the top, say, 15?

    Its interesting, and unless we lock in on a guy, wouldn't be a bad thing, but I'm wondering if it's at all a realistic expectation.
     
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  12. Deus ex dolphin

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    I could see a trade down to #7 or #8 if they want Fields/Wilson (whoever is left after Jests pick) and THEN Denver or San Fran jumping up to grab Trey Lance from us. You'd lose out on Pitts and Chase, but Smith/Waddle would probably be there (especially at #9, but at least one of them at #12) and you'd have a LOT of extra draft picks for 2021/2022.

    If Pitts was still there at #7 or #8 I'd really hesitate to trade down again, but if the offer includes another first rounder in 2022 I don't think you can say 'No' to that.
     
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  13. texanphinatic

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    As good as Pitts and Chase may be, picking up possibly two extra first rounders absolutely eclipses that, I totally agree.

    This draft will be pretty interesting - the QB chatter has definitely picked up, and Lance seems to be challenging for a top 5 pick. The one thing you just don't seem to see? Defense. Sometimes Micah Parsons sneaks into the top 10, but really there's like nobody else. It would be great for us to see some guys start to sneak into that conversation, but I just don't know if that will happen.
     
  14. DOLFANMIKE

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    Yeah I completely agree. As much as I want to see us Draft Pitts I feel like a trade back inside 10 would be our best overall opportunity. Adding additional 1st rounders and likely 2nd rounders this year and next would just be too good to pass on. I REALLY like Pitts though and want him in Miami!
    If we do trade back I see the Eagles as the team that decides who we will draft. I suspect they go Chase or Pitts at 6 overall.
     
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  15. tirty8

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    I have warmed up to this idea so much to the point that it has become a two horse race to me. I think Pitts or Sewell are the choices.

    For people that oppose these two, I ask you to do a little thought experiment:

    Complete this sentence:

    I am passing up a generational in order to ______________________.

    If your answer is "fill a need," be careful. WR is a bust position. I have seen guys absolutely dominate in college and struggle to get on the field. Also consider the top 3 WRs drafted last year - Ruggs, Jeudy, and Lamb. Lamb was probably the best one, and he fell just short of a thousand yards and does look like he is an emerging player. But if you told me that we had taken Ruggs or Jeudy over a generational talent, I would be furious.

    If your answer is "to acquire more draft picks," remember who we are. We do not draft like the Ravens or the Steelers. Missing on picks or getting less than ideal value for the draft position happens a lot. Noah I. lost the starting nickel position to an undrafted player, AND we signed a nickel back in free agency to shore up the position.

    Let me pose this to anyone who wants draft picks over generation talent. Would you reject any of these trades right now -

    Trade #1 - Noah I. + Austin Jackson for Penei Sewell

    Trade #2 - Noah I. + Austin Jackson for Kyle Pitts

    I would take the first one in a heartbeat. The second one might be a bit harder because it would create an obvious hole. That being said, if you asked me who was getting more in terms of talent added to their team, I would say the team that guy Pitts.
     
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  16. mlb1399

    mlb1399 Well-Known Member

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    There are a lot of people who feel Chase could be a generational player. I’ve heard him compared to Fitzgerald or Hopkins. If he’s either one of them, I’m sprinting to the podium. Probably several in the Smith camp too.

    It really comes down to our own opinion on which player adds the highest win probability to our team. And as my dad says, opinions are like a**holes, everyone has one.
     
  17. DOLFANMIKE

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  18. Galant

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    Draft picks are just chances to land players. You can multiply picks/chances by trading down but the further back you go the lower your chances of a great player. So more picks = more chances but lower picks = less chance of high quality.

    You always want as many picks as possible as high as possible but ultimately those picks need to be converted into quality players.

    So, value matters but great players matter more.

    Don't be afraid to spend picks on great talent.
     
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  19. DOLFANMIKE

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    People don't mention it much, but we could always get more picks too by trading back from 18... it doesn't have to be #3 overall.
     
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    The best breakdown of TE / WR Pitts I've seen yet.... Nate Burleson breaks down what Pitts can do as a route runner and receiver that make him unique and that might make him a Top 5 pick in the draft.
    Nate Burleson says: "He'll go in the Top 5 and will make an immediate impact in the NFL."
     
  21. DOLFANMIKE

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    Some Pitts highlights I hadn't seen in other video (worth watching)
    This highlight shows how dominating he is on his routes, on jump balls, and how he runs amazing routes.
    Best of all though he can take a hit and still catch the ball, and he always is moving forward for additional yardage.
    Check out how many current Pro DB's he is toasting on this highlight...and guys that will be in the top half of this years draft at DB.
    Nobody can cover him!

     
  22. resnor

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    Listen, if there's one thing, other than QB, that has pissed me off over the years, is not having a legitimate threat at TE. ESPECIALLY considering the QBs we were drafting, having a premier tight end was a necessity, and we just never filled it.

    I would absolutely love a dominant tight end here in Miami. If we can get that at 3, I'm totally down with it.
     
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  23. mlb1399

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    There’s part of me that loves the idea of what Gesicki and Pitts could do to opposing defenses. The other part of me wonders what Gesicki could do if he had better pieces around him to open up the field.
     
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  24. Unlucky 13

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    For me, Pitts is so good and so appealing, then even trading down to #6 would give me anxiety. Even if in this scenario the first two picks were QBs and we know the Eagles would be taking a QB also. If we were to lock the Bengals into Sewell at #5, that leaves Atlanta as a big question mark at #4. They are a team that is soon to be in big trouble, with the fewest players signed to their roster in both 2021 and 2022, barely any cap room at all, and an outlook that's probably going to get worse before it gets better. So I would strongly peg them as wanting to trade down themselves, and if no one wants to move up for whoever the 4th best QB is, then their trade partner could be someone craving Pitts.
     
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    Can Pitts block?
     
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    He's certainly not a great blocker...but Pitts clearly can block.
     
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    It seems like Pitts is good about knowing where he needs to be, and maneuvering his man out of the way. Really, with a pass catching TE, that's all you can ask. Its as much as any of the Pro Bowl guys do.
     
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  28. texanphinatic

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    If you draft Pitts in the top 5 (certainly at 3) you are drafting him to catch the ball, and specifically touchdowns. He might not block a soul as a traditional TE except as a decoy or on screens or whatnot.

    Pitts is basically an elite athlete who presents immense mismatch problems. Great size, good great body control, great speed for the size, the ability to run routes and change direction and be sudden ... essentially be a Calvin Johnson style gamebreaker.

    IMO he's not playing with his hand in the dirt crashing down on DE's or whatnot. That's a waste of the pick. Use him as a pass catcher.
     
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    Exactly. He’s more WR than TE. The downside to that is, if you’re putting him out there with Gesicki, your OL better be really good, especially the tackles, because they’re getting no help.
     
  30. Galant

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    If the Dolphins were to acquire Pitts would you still like to see them draft a top WR?
     
  31. texanphinatic

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    Like Waddle or Smith? If by chance one fell to 18 that's good value, but I wouldn't try and trade up or reach for a Toney at 18. I wouldn't be opposed to Rondale Moore or D'wayne Eskridge in rounds 2-3 though.
     
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    Like your thinking, especially with Rondale Moore in the „later“ rounds.
     
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    You think Toney will be off the board that early? I agree that he's a stud, but I was pegging him for the 2nd round.
     
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    Short answer- yes. We need a WR1, a WR2, and a RB on offense. Maybe a few more linemen, maybe not.

    Williams is a stud but can't stay healthy. Parker is just soft. Grant can't catch intermediate passes reliably, Wilson took last year off and everyone else is role players. Gisecki is the closest we have to a dependable WR1 on the team....and he's a TE. The WR corps just needs more competition and Pitts would be only one piece of that.
     
  35. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    If the Dolphins draft Pitts they have their WR1 or WR2.
     
  36. mlb1399

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    I think Rondale’s pro day catapulted him into the top part of the 2nd round. I’d take him in the 3rd but a little leery of him with all the injuries he’s had.
     
  37. texanphinatic

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    Depends on how many teams go for the position in the mid/late rounds. I think Chase, Waddle and Smith have kind of cemented themselves as the top tier. If all 3 are gone by 18 I'm definitely looking elsewhere instead of reaching for another WR. Personally, I kind of have it pegged to Najee anyway, but we will see how it all plays out.

    I do think we draft at least 1, maybe 2 dudes. Just depends on who and where. I would count Pitts more as a WR than a TE though. He may not be a traditional WR but he's not really a TE either.
     
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