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DeShaun Watson available for Trade

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by KeyFin, Apr 29, 2021.

  1. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    There's some gossip rolling around the web that both sides in the Watson case are trying to settle TODAY so Watson can still be traded pre-draft. Why? It's the best chance Watson has to play football this season, and it's also where the victims will see maximum value for their lawsuits. So there's a chance this settles up in the next few hours and Watson finds a new home.

    However, teams have been made aware that there may be a suspension involved at some point and it could be substantial (up to half a season).

    Finally, I caught on a news-talk show yesterday that Miami was going to trade Tua, #3 and a future #1 before this all started....they were finalizing terms when this all broke. So there's the slimmest of chances that we still somehow trade for Watson in the next week (obviously, Houston would want to ink that out today). Don't be shocked if we trade #6 for Watson straight up this evening!

    This won't happen but still- it's a heck of a draft day topic to argue about. =) Enjoy the draft, my friends!
     
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  2. Fireland

    Fireland Well-Known Member

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    I definitely do not believe this
     
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  3. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    I could see someone trading for him. Probably not the Fins, but maybe someone like Washington or Denver.
     
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  4. Galant

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    The Jets! :D
     
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  5. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    Hey, that's entirely possible if all the dominoes fall into place today.
     
  6. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    I don't know if I believe it or not, but they said that once all this stuff broke, Miami's front office 100% gave up on Watson. I almost didn't add it but figured it was fun speculation for draft day.
     
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  7. mlb1399

    mlb1399 Well-Known Member

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    I don’t want anything to do with him at this point.
     
  8. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    I don't think I'm interested either, but Yahoo is reporting that it's Miami or bust at this point- https://sports.yahoo.com/if-a-desha...-it-will-be-a-one-team-pursuit-062023844.html

    Honestly, to me this isn't as much of a Watson thing as it is a Tua thing. Our boy has worked his butt off this off-season, did everything right and is poised for a strong 2nd season. Watson is a better QB BUT I'm not sure the baggage is worth it and what it says about our franchise.

    The only way I'd be interested would be (1) Watson is suspended for 8+ games, (2) Tua remains the starter for 2021 and most importantly (3) we acquire Watson for a 2nd round pick or future 1st. That way we're in good shape either way and Tua gets his chance to show us what he's made of. If it's really a one-team race, then we should be able to get him for peanuts.

     
  9. Striking

    Striking Junior Member

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    Still a no thanks from me. No creepers
     
  10. daphins

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    I 100% agree, and think it's hilarious that this came from you who's had that profile pick up for the last 13 or so years. I just realized that the other day.
     
  11. Rouk

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    Imagine the optics of getting rid of Tua who is basically a choir boy to then get watson who if he settles all of those cases would go down as the biggest sex offender in nfl history. I cant see a franchise wanting to deal with that pr disaster lol.
     
  12. Dorfdad

    Dorfdad Well-Known Member

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    If the phones did do that trade mentioned above. I would personal drive to Miami and egg every single person in the decision process. Watson IS NOT WORTH THAT!
     
  13. tirty8

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    I don't think all questions could possibly get resolved in the next few hours.
     
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  14. Bumrush

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    I was against Watson due to the nature of the allegations but the thought of him behind center is very exciting.

    My concern is that even if he settles this seems to be an addiction and sickness. I'm not sure if he'll stop - Much like a drug addict or someone with a gambling problem. That would be my primary concern at this point.
     
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    And I would think Miami would hold even more temptation than Houston.

    Hard pass.
     
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  16. Ronnie Bass

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    Too much on the line for everyone to wrap up like a one hour drama show.
     
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  17. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    Eff Watson man, apparently Rogers has told Green Bay he doesn't want to play for them.

    I wouldn't really pull the trigger on something outrageous because of the age, but for a team like the Pats or Steelers, they should be jumping.
     
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  18. Drizzy

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    the fans would get over it pretty quickly after he throws 5 TDs against the Pats
     
  19. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    I've intentionally avoided posting the latest gossip here, but I still see a "Deshaun to Miami" article almost daily by one of the talking heads. For whatever reason, they still think it's going to happen sometime this year.
     
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  20. Two Tacos

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    I wouldn't. There would have to be some solid evidence that he was innocent. I don't care how good someone is at throwing things.
     
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  21. Two Tacos

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    It's always speculation. Miami is a championship contender with great QB play, so they see that and think it's the best fit. I haven't seen one person that has proven to have sources say that their sources have Miami in on him. It's the hacks claiming that they have sources.
     
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  22. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, it's all just noise...I completely agree. I started this thread a few months back though based on that noise, so I try to update the rumors at least once a week. I certainly don't believe them myself, but it's a good distraction for this time of year.
     
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  23. TheHighExhaulted

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    You're wrong. I believe most Dolphins fans do not want this clown representing them.
     
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  24. resnor

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    Yeah, I watched about a 15 minute segment on the Dolphins yesterday, and they were still talking about Miami getting Watson, and that making then a SB contender. After saying that Watson probably have a 6 game suspension.
     
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  25. Drizzy

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    So I think it’s important to understand what Watson’s actually been accused of here. I’ve seen the term rapist thrown out there but none of these women have accused him of rape. The sheer number of accusers is so unusually high that it’s led to people referring to him as a sexual predator but to me even raping one woman is worse than 20+ women accusing you of doing what they’re accusing him of doing. If the worst that can be proven is that he repeatedly exposed himself to women who were completely uncomfortable with it, that he tried to convince these massage therapists to give him a happy ending, that he positioned his body so that his junk made contact with them, tried to place their hand on his junk ... it’s disgusting behavior, its repulsive, it’s shameful...and in all likelihood he’ll be suspended and deservedly so. Playing in the NFL is a privilege... but should that privilege be taken away from him forever? No. Do I ultimately think that over time what he did is forgivable? Yes. There are levels to sexual misconduct. Would I still support trading for him? Yes. He ****ed up. What he’s been accused of doing will cost him dearly... it will cost him his sterling reputation, it will cost him financially after paying out 7 figures to settle these cases, it will cost him time on the field when/if he’s suspended. I’m sure it will cost him psychologically as well. Mentally and emotionally it’s probably taken a toll on him. But of course he isn’t the victim here. Maybe he needs some counseling. With all that being said eventually he will put all this behind him and it will likely be sooner rather than later. And yes once he’s done that I’d like to see him in a Dolphins jersey.
     
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  26. Drizzy

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    give me an example of someone with proven sources? All 3 Herald reporters said Miami was/is in on Watson. Both Texans beatwriters John McClain and Aaron Wilson have said they're in on him. Charles Robinson of Yahoo has said the same thing. Rich Eisen has heard we want him and now you can add Albert Breer to the list. Among this group I'd say McClain, Wilson, Robinson and Breer have the best sources. But that's not to disparage the three guys at the Herald, they have their sources linked to the organization as well. Hell there's a good chance without these allegations Watson would be a Dolphin right now.
     
  27. Two Tacos

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    I would have to go back but I don't remember it being anything but speculation about him. I don't remember any reports of specific actions taken, just that others felt Miami would be in, because of the circumstances. Miami being being one of the few with the capital that would make sense. That there was a general opinion that Miami would be in.
     
  28. Two Tacos

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    He is accused of way more than that. The suites have all been published, read up. Even if it was just that, it's serial predator behavior that the face of a multi billion dollar company should not be doing. This everyone deserves a second chance idea is utter BS. Losing the ability to play in the NFL isn't the end of his life. The vast majority don't even get a first chance. Yes, the privilege of playing for the NFL should be permanently removed if he did what he is accused of. Right now the evidence is he said, they said. And there are enough theys that it is going to take a lot of additional things for me to believe him. I am not a court of law, I have no presumption of innocence. Nor, do I think the NFL should. Give equal weight to each persons claims and investigate.
     
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  29. Drizzy

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    I mean you could argue any report about a team’s interest in a player or decision is merely speculation especially if a subsequent move is never carried out. There were reports that we, on multiple occasions, tried to move up to 1 to draft Burrow. Ultimately we never made the move so you can say hey we don’t know if those reports are true but Schefter is the one who reported it and as far I’m concerned his word is gospel. The truth is there are insiders who are more credible than others. I can tell you these reports were less of the “Miami may/might/could show interest given all their draft capital” variety and more of “Miami is interested/will certainly make a play once he’s made available.” Now most of these reports were before the allegations came to light and because Houston never made the guy available at any point we don’t know how aggressive Miami or any other team would’ve been in their pursuit. Hell we still don’t really know if the Texans will make him available. All I know is by all accounts Watson wants to be here.


    https://sports.yahoo.com/if-a-desha...-it-will-be-a-one-team-pursuit-062023844.html

    That leaves Miami, a team that has all the draft picks necessary to make a Watson deal happen today, next week, next month or even next offseason. It's a pursuit that sources have said would have previously received the support of head coach Brian Flores and general manager Chris Grier. In truth, very little has changed on the Dolphins' end in terms of the franchise's ability to make a deal. Tua Tagovailoa is still the starting quarterback.

    The other important note: Multiple sources have told Yahoo Sports that Miami has always been Watson’s preferred destination. Even when he and his camp were leaving the door open for other scenarios, the idea was always to get whatever bidding war that took place to ultimately land in Miami’s favor. Indeed, if a full-slate settlement were ever to happen in Watson’s legal cases, it would be with the aim of getting him traded to Miami — same as it was in January and February and right into the mid-March litigation drop.
     
  30. Two Tacos

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    This is kid of my point, you mention Adam Schefter but link a yahoo sports article. Your credit to Schefter isn't him saying the Dolphins called, but that they "certainly would be interested if"... not nearly the same thing. I read reports that the Dolphins made calls to get back up in the first for Harris. That's an explicit action. Would the Dolphins have traded a first for Watson, pre allegations? Of course, every team would have. He would have been worth far more than that. Huston would have wanted much more than that. Would the Dolphins have scrapped their offseason team building plans for Watson? That I am not so sure of, and I cannot see how Watson would have been gotten for less. Weak, well they'll certainly be interested statements are meaningless when made without the context of Hustons demands. Even KC would have certainly been interested at the right price.
     
  31. Drizzy

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    I mentioned Schefter in relation to trying to move up for Burrow, that was his report. As for Robinson would I put him on the same level of a Schefter or Jay Glazer? No but I would certainly put him above the Mike Lombardis/Florios/La Canfora's of the world. I'd say he's right there with Peter King. This is from the same article...

    In January, three franchises would have materialized as the strongest bidders for Watson, according to a wide array of team sources who spoke to Yahoo Sports. They were the Miami Dolphins, Carolina Panthers and New York Jets. Several others had interest, but their thirst for a pursuit dwindled considerably when it became apparent that Houston would ultimately have been looking for a starting offer of three first-round draft picks, two second-round picks and players. The San Francisco 49ers were already looking for other options at quarterback and the New England Patriots believed that could line them up to re-acquire Jimmy Garoppolo, significantly tamping down the interest of both franchises in Watson. The Denver Broncos, with new incoming general manager George Paton, weren’t looking to make a massive resource-draining move in the first year of a new direction. And the Chicago Bears and Washington Football Team had only passing initial interest.

    Between the Dolphins, Panthers and Jets, it’s clear that Miami and Carolina would have most likely put the strongest offers on the table had the litigation not occurred. Sources have told Yahoo Sports that both would have parted with three first-round picks, as well as more assets to sweeten the deal. As for the Jets, that kind of package was already far more than their initial offer would have been, making it unlikely that general manager Joe Douglas would have entered into the bidding war that Houston wanted.


    so again we can choose what we want to believe....
     
  32. Two Tacos

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    It's not choosing what I want to believe, it's choosing who I trust. Why should I trust "Yahoo sports"? Those quotes weren't even suposed to have been told to your guy Robinson. Which was my point in my original post. Let me ask you, why do you trust Yahoo sports? What Dolphin stories have their sources broke? Why should I trust that they would know what would have happened? I very well could be missing something. It happens a lot.
     
  33. ExplosionsInDaSky

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    There's no way we're trading for Watson. There's also no way we're trading Tua right now. Source? Because I just saw a friggen Muscle Milk commercial with Tua throwing a football. Sorry, but that is all I need to see to know the truth.
     
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  34. Rick 1966

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    I hope at this point that we don't trade for Watson. As talented as he is, it would be a PR nightmare and give the team a huge black eye. Not to mention, just on a practical level, he's going to face a 4-8 game suspension minimum and if we've traded for him, Tua will either not be here or will be playing with the knowledge we're replacing him. It would be a disaster.
     
  35. Hooligan

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    It's a moot point. The draft is over, all the 1st round picks are gone. The cushion of cap space is gone. The restructuring of contracts and releases that it would require at this point would likely put us in "Cap Hell". Time to move on.
     
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  36. mlb1399

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    Not sure why we're even discussing Deshaun. Even if Tua flops this year, I don't want Deshaun. Time to move on.
     
  37. Galant

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  38. The G Man

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    NFL Network's Tom Pelissero reports the Texans are willing to trade Deshaun Watson and could be seeking three first-round draft picks in exchange for the QB.

    NFL reporter Chris Mortensen said Houston wants "some combination of five high draft picks and starting caliber players" in a swap for Watson, whose contract includes a no-trade clause, meaning he has to green light any trade. That the team is reportedly open to trading away its franchise player after months of denying such reports could mean that Texans are engaging several teams in trade talks. The Dolphins, Broncos, and Eagles have reported interest in going all in for Watson. In June, Broncos DB Kareem Jackson and former Watson teammate said Watson "wants to be" dealt to Denver -- a move that would send Broncos pass catchers skyrocketing up fantasy draft boards. Watson avoided the Commissioner's Exempt List after facing more than 20 allegations of sexual misconduct, making a trade more likely in the coming weeks. He could face a lengthy suspension no matter where he lands. A police investigation into the sexual misconduct allegations against Watson remains open and 22 lawsuits against the quarterback are pending.

    Source: Tom Pelissero on Twitter
    Jul 26, 2021, 8:04 AM ET
     
  39. Dorfdad

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    Lol no no no at three first rounders for what I call a decent QB with a ton of PR baggage. I would rather take my chances with TUA who is a great guy in the locker and is young.

    We have to stop being impatient with qb’s. They take years to get good unless you have a stud team around them.

    Give him 3-4 years and let’s see how it turns out. Though I get that Flores is probably starting to feel the seat get warmer every passing week!

    I don’t want a QB with 22 lawsuits lol he’s trouble
     
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