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Dolphins get over the 85% goal

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Finatik, Jul 9, 2021.

  1. Finatik

    Finatik Season Ticket Holder Staff Member Club Member

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    Teams on which 85 percent of players are vaccinated will receive relaxed COVID-19 protocols for this season. Still, vaccination rates aren’t climbing quite as fast as the NFL and its teams likely had hoped. Tom Pelissero of NFL Media reports that a sixth team topped the threshold Thursday.

    The Steelers, Dolphins and Saints previously were reported to have crossed the 85 percent threshold. The other three teams are unknown. The league-wide vaccination rate now is over 69 percent, according to Pelissero.

    A important deadline comes Monday when a player would need to get a second shot (or the one-shot Johnson & Johnson vaccine) to be fully vaccinated by the time most teams report to camp July 27.

    Virtually all Tier 1 and Tier 2 personnel are vaccinated throughout the league. Coaches and other football staff are in the Tier 1 and Tier 2 category. If those individuals choose not to get the vaccine, they are prohibited from working in person with players.

    Players are not required to be vaccinated but face COVID-19 protocols if they choose not to do so. Those restrictions include a mandatory mask mandate at the facility, not being allowed to eat in the cafeteria with teammates and being forced to remain in the team hotel during any off time for road games.

    There's no hurdle to getting vaccinated as you can just show up and get one. It's just the rest of those people that want everyone else to take the jab and get us out of this mess. Eventually those people will get the rona. And some will die for their choices. But its their choice to make.
     
  2. DolphinGreg

    DolphinGreg Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    It's July 2021...who in the heck has not gotten their vaccination?!

    These numbers should've been 100% months ago. WTH?
     
  3. OwesOwn614

    OwesOwn614 Well-Known Member

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    Games were rescheduled last season. Some undoubtedly were lost thanks to players being out due to quarantine after being infected or determined to have contacted infected people. Several teams had to shut down their facilities due to outbreaks and there was significant concern that games would be forfeited. That choice impacted the bottom line in a major way and I can understand why folks who opt out of getting jabbed have a separate protocol. People shouldn't be forced to have the shot but teams absolutely are correct to mitigate the impact that decision has on the rest of the operation.
     
  4. Puka-head

    Puka-head My2nd Fav team:___vs Jets Club Member

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    It's sad that the politics of fear had to get all up in this bizness. I personally know a few people who have refused to get the vaccine, mostly because of the real "fake news" misinformation networks. Out of all those people , a dozen or so, So far two of neighbors contracted Covid and who knows how many people they infected driving across 3 states and back. Couple we've known for years, our kids went to school together, he went in the hospital and never came home. She got better, relatively speaking. Two others ended up in the hospital but recovered, relatively speaking. And the worst was another old friend, refused the vaccine even tho he works in the prison. Got CVD, brought it home and infected his wife and their 8 yr old daughter. His daughter has been in the hospital for 3 months now and will probably never be healthy enough to live any kind of normal life.

    There is a better chance of being injured or killed by your toilet. Or falling into a well, or an airplane crash, or an infected paper cut. Just get the mother loving shot.
     
  5. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    That's horrifying...especially about the child. I lost my best friend from childhood to COVID, a 47 year old marathon runner in incredible shape.

    In time, we'll learn that it's not just about death rates though; it's going to be about long-term health problems. For instance, I had a non-symptomatic case of COVID last February before it was even being reported, but since then I've had shingles twice for no apparent reason. Scientists are now linking things like that back to the virus triggering other dormant diseases.

    My dad passed last week from a rare blood disease that started a few weeks after he had COVID. They caught it super early but for whatever reason, it progressed way faster than expected. I had to dial 9-1-1 maybe 25 times in the past 18 months for him...one day he was fine, the next he was near death. Then a few days after being on strong antibiotics, he was okay again. The doctors were completely baffled about everything he went through and they had no answers. We finally cut out the antibiotics about 3 weeks ago to honor his wishes- he had about 10 good days where he was living life and perfectly fine, then he got sick and passed within 72 hours.

    I think stuff like that will become a lot more common in the next 5-10 years as we learn more about the virus and how it attacks the body. Personally, I don't think the initial sickness is what we should be afraid of anymore...it's what comes afterwards, months or even years down the road. Telling those stories above are painful, but I do it so people can understand a little more about what the world is really facing.

    It's not about whether or not COVID will kill you this week...it's about how it's going to change your quality of life long-term and what havoc it can unlock.
     
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  6. aesop

    aesop Well-Known Member

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    Politics in football and sports in general has become beyond obnoxious.
     
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  7. OwesOwn614

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    My dad checked into the hospital for weakness in early November and they gave him a Covid test prior to entry. He tested negative and spent 5 days under evaluation before he was scheduled for release to a rehabilitation facility. He was tested again prior to release because some of them don't accept Covid patients. This time, he tested positive and spent four days on the Covid floor before passing away.

    When I hear people say "I'm healthy, so I'm not worried about it", I wonder how they can be so narcissistic that they don't care about those they may come into contact with. I presume they don't have a mother, father or grandparents. But why are they so disrespectful of others that they don't care whether their actions lead to their deaths? I imagine somebody - an orderly, food worker, nurse, doctor - who had a dismissive attitude toward the virus started the chain reaction that led to Dad's death. I'd prefer that their hubris killed their parent instead of mine, though.

    In hindsight, it's almost funny that Americans used to somehow claim pride in how we pull together in tough times. We don't do that. We have the collective empathy of starving hyenas in the presence of baby deer.
     
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  8. RevRick

    RevRick Long Haired Leaping Gnome Club Member

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    A mere statement of concern seems so inadequate in the face of what your dad and you have experienced. Thankfully, not all humans behave in such atrocious fashion. But, there are sufficient numbers of uncaring and unconcerned to make one wonder about the change in our social living. As a man of faith, I will simply close with my faith and prayer that our Lord will be with you and your family.
     
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  9. KeyFin

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    The past month has been the hardest of my entire life, and it was ultimately my choice to honor my dad's wishes and cut out all medications/ER visits. He got sick at home with me two Saturdays ago and I remember thinking, if I dial 911 he'll be completely over this by Monday or Tuesday...at least for another week. But that's not how he wanted to live anymore. That was the hardest decision I've ever made but it was the right one.

    We're commanded to honor our mother and father, even when we're the ones caring for them. As hard as it was, I would not do anything differently if I had to do it all over again. He was 86 and lived a great life- here's the obituary I wrote for him.
     
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  10. OwesOwn614

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    That drives a dagger into my heart. My Dad passed just a couple of weeks before his 85th birthday. May God bless you to remember the joys he provided in life more than the pain of his passing.
     
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  11. RevRick

    RevRick Long Haired Leaping Gnome Club Member

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    Gentlemen, you were both blessed to have your fathers that long. Give thanks to the Lord for that.
     
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  12. OwesOwn614

    OwesOwn614 Well-Known Member

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    Absolutely. I'm keenly aware that I'm among the last of my friends who was able to hug his dad. I wake up every morning, grateful for the blessing of a new day and thankful to still have so much to love and live for. It doesn't lessen the pain felt when one considers that a loved one died from a communicable disease that is easily mitigated, though.
     
  13. Unlucky 13

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    I hope that as many people get vaccinated as possible, for the greater good and for their own. But as far as the 85% number, I believe that it includes players who have only gotten one dose of the vaccine. I read earlier today that just one dose provides very little protection against the newer Delta variant that's now circulating. They say that two doses provides over 90% protection, but that people who are at a greater risk should get a booster third dose as well. I'm talking to my own doctor tomorrow about it to get any more info if he has it to share.

    As far as the football world, I think that its unavoidable that there will be problems with teams and games again this season due to players refusing to take care of themselves combined with the high risk lifestyle that some lead. Its probably going to hit a few locker rooms really hard, and we'll see what the league does about it when the time comes.

    I also have a great deal of worry about the people attending games in the stands. I think that its very foolish to assume that everyone who attends a game is vaccinated, via the honor system.

    This isn't politics. This is public health.
     
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  14. aesop

    aesop Well-Known Member

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    Do you propose people show papers in order to enter? How about you just stay home if you are that paranoid? If you are vaccinated then what difference is it to you?
     
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  15. KeyFin

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    I felt the same way reading your post; we were both blessed to have our dads that long. This season's going to be tough on me because he was a huge Dolphins fan and we've watched almost every game together for the past 10+ years, plus I grew up going to countless games with him in Miami. Heck, we were at the 1st game played in Joe Robbie (preseason vs the Bears) and the epic Canes/BC game with Flutie in the Orange Bowl. For Christmas when I was 19, I bought him two playoff tickets for Dolphins/Chargers...and I'm pretty sure we shut them out 31-0 (we got destroyed the following week though).

    We also worked most of the Dolphins games when I was in high school for our baseball team- I'd walk the stadium selling drinks and he'd man one of the kegs with the other dads. Since they inventoried the cups and not the beer, you can imagine how much fun he had for the 1st three quarters. Needless to say, I usually drove us home once I had my restricted license. We also used our "worker passes" to sneak into Super Bowl 23 (Bengals/49ers), so that's the kind of memories I've been trying to focus on lately.

    One of my favorite life memories is the "Miracle in Miami" game a few years ago though. In South Carolina, we got a freak storm that dropped 15 inches of snow and we had no power that day. Right before kickoff, I remembered that I had my LTE tablet fully charged and I could access the Sunday Ticket that way, but we couldn't get good enough internet in his cabin (which is right behind my house). So my dad walked about 50 yards in the deep snow, all uphill, to watch the game at my house...totally nailing that old cliché from his generation. I remember that the tablet battery died maybe 30 seconds after the final play, so we didn't even catch the replay or the celebration live. It was such a magical day though and I'll never forget it- best game ever!

    Hopefully you've been focusing on the good stuff as well!
     
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  16. Bumrush

    Bumrush Stable Genius Club Member

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    Because even vaccinated people may be at risk of catching COVID due to the actions of the willfully ignorant. Some of those same people may be in close contact with older or higher risk vaccinated adults that could potentially go downhill fast if they catch it.

    I was in the ER this week for pneumonia as my entire family has been sick for two weeks and the doctor told me that they are seeing plenty of cases of vaccinated people showing up with COVID. In almost all of those cases what could have been a catastrophic illness went away in a few days due to the vaccine.

    Also, some people have children at home who may have compromised immune systems that have not be vaccinated yet.
     
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  17. Puka-head

    Puka-head My2nd Fav team:___vs Jets Club Member

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    hats my issues. I have a 11 yr old with asthma and my mom is home recovering from surgery and I’m her caregiver. Baby girl can’t get back. We all are but I’m still limiting trips out and even though mask restrictions have been lifted for vaccinated people I’m still going to be masking up everywhere I go. I’ve had people approach me in grocery store telling I’m stupid and being dramatic for wearing a mask when I don’t have to. “I’m not even vacation but how will they know she said” Why people are being so violently ignorant about this boggles the mind
     
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  18. Unlucky 13

    Unlucky 13 Team Raheem Club Member

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    I'm with you there. I have two young kids who can't get vaccinated yet and I'm a T1 diabetic. I'm not taking any risks.

    I haven't actually had anyone say anything nasty to me, but as I see few and few others wearing masks while I still have mine on, I get more and more dirty looks. I live in an area where the population trends in the direction of not believing in the importance of vaccines and safety, and I just don't trust people. I'll wear my mask in public for the foreseeable future.
     
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  19. aesop

    aesop Well-Known Member

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    So why does everyone have a hard-on for me to get this vaccine?

    This isn't even FDA approved, didn't go through normal Phase 3 / Phase 4 approval process. You people are the test subjects and the drug maker is free from any legal ramifications.

    Yeah, let me stick a Pfizer needle in my arm with an mrna vaccine that's never been used or studied long term. Pfizer has never been sued for bad drugs or done anything shady! Drug companies are looking out for you. Could you guys use any oxycontin for your sore back?

    https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/just...gest-health-care-fraud-settlement-its-history

    https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covi...-at-odds-over-need-for-covid-19-booster-shots

    They don't even know if you need a booster or not! Or how often... forever? I'm supposed to continue getting injected 3 times a year for the rest of my life to maybe not get covid?

    That would be extremely selfish for a family member to attend a game in that case. Anyone with a compromised immune system should stay away from concerts and stadiums in general.
     
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  20. Puka-head

    Puka-head My2nd Fav team:___vs Jets Club Member

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    I'm sorry if you felt a personal attack, you do you brah. There are plenty of people who can't/won't get the vaccine for valid reasons, including being unsure of the long term effects and need for continued maintenance and you are 100% correct in that we can't possibly know any of that at this point. But please make EDUCATED decisions, which it sounds like you are, based on not only your well being. Factor in the community aspect of it all.
    I have no idea how old you are or medical history etc but let me just put this out there. Look at the small pox vaccine. I am one of the last to get the small pox vaccine as a child. It was known that the small pox vaccine would give small pox to a percentage of the people who got it, I'm not going to look it up but it was somewhere around 1 out of 1000 if memory serves. Similar thing with polio vaccines. But people stepped up and did the hard but necessary thing and now our children don't have to worry about getting polio or small pox. Everybodies children, all over the world.
    The technology is sound and proven. There's risk in getting out of bed to go pee, walking down stairs, breathing city air. Factor all that into your equation and do whats best for you, yours and everyone else, in that order.

    And yep, I'll take the oxy when I need it for my sore back, or some percocet or vicodin or whatever I can get now that that's an epidemic. You would not believe the pain I'm in every day and I can't get anything to help except for other BS drugs that are just as bad or worse. I get not trusting the powers that be brah, trust.

    If you don't feel getting the shot is right for you I can respect that, just please consider maintaining the social distancing and staying masked up in public , if nothing else it helps keep you from getting a cold too. :knucks:
     
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  21. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Polio was eradicated when we stopped poisoning ourselves by spraying our children with DDT, coating most surfaces with it, dusting it on crops, etc. DDT absorbs into the myelin sheath surrounding your nerves. Surprise surprise, there was a DISEASE attacking the nerves.
     
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  22. Den54

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    Fantastic post, much respect.
     
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  23. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    I have nerve damage in my back so I can completely relate. If you're desperate for another option like I was, try a Delta 8 vape from one of your local stores. It's basically a legal form of weed that only gets you a little bit high if you smoke a lot, but it's literally changed my life the past few months. With one decent puff, I can weed whack my yard for an hour straight while being completely pain-free...before, I'd be hurting before even getting the weed whacker started.

    A few states have already banned it since it hasn't been tested by the FDA, but it's made from hemp (which is legal in all 50 states). I preach this stuff to my friends and family because of the impact it's had on my life. So the moral of the story here is "Be like Ricky Williams...but with legal stuff that doesn't get you baked!"
     
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  24. pumpdogs

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    Dr Fauci the fraud is on record with leaked emails saying the drugstore masks do not prevent the spread of covid.
     
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    Puka-head My2nd Fav team:___vs Jets Club Member

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    I’ve been a medical marijuana patient for years. It’s the only thing that helps. I get muscle spasms in my legs so bad it looks like snakes crawling under my skin and a couple hits of the wacky turns them right off. But some days it’s just not enough.
     
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  26. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    It's like those emails, and the truth in them, doesn't exist.
     
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    But anyway this post needs to be removed before it's starts becoming about politics!
     
  30. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    Okay, cool- I just wanted to make sure you knew of the alternative. Glad it somewhat helps!
     
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    Bro you have no idea what you are vaping in those carts. DEA also issued guidance last year on delta-8 clarifying it is not legal and there is no naturally occurring delta-8 in hemp therefor it is not exempt via the farm bill like the other naturally occuring minor cannabinoids like CBG, CBC, CBD. It is literally listed as a controlled substance along with the rest of the THCs.

    It's illegal already might as well just get the good stuff.

    Delta-8 is isomerized from CBD using a lewis acid typically and results in all sorts of other chain reactions not to mention that the reaction also results in Delta-9 thc at above 0.3% under all hplc / mass spec testing at this point. If you are in a non-legal state or just value your health in general, I would avoid those carts like the plague.

    Do you remember the vape crisis from a year and a half ago with kids dropping dead?
     
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    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    I'm in South Carolina, so weed is still illegal, but they sell Delta 8 in vape shops. I'm still on my 1st one maybe 2 months later? I really don't smoke it to get high; I just take a good puff before doing "man work" where my back will be killing me.

    Thanks though, I will do some more homework on it before buying a 2nd cart (I'm almost out). I wish they'd just legalize weed nationwide so I could get a weak medical strain and puff on that.
     
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    Get vaccinated and stop watching the "news" networks that encourage you not to.

    Plus you get free 5g
     
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    Gotta get me some free 5G.
     
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  36. Silverphin

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    Fact checkers spread disinformation.

    Now I heard it all.
     
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    The thing with "fact checkers" is that they work for someone, who often has their own viewpoints to control a narrative. For instance, it's a fact that the sky is blue. It's also a fact that the sky is grey. Which is "the truth"? They both are and that's the world we live in today, where people will argue "blue" or "grey" depending on how it influences their larger viewpoints.

    All I can say is, the title "fact checker" means nothing if it's not an independent, unbiased reputable source. In your original article, it mentioned social media and Twitter opinions as the basis for "the facts" the article found. Can you see how that's a complete lie all in itself? If I get 100 people in a room that would all say the sky is blue, then ask their opinion on the matter in an "official poll"....guess what the results would be? It's a rigged argument from the very start and that's how most of the world works today- nothing is unbiased anymore.

    I have no dog in this fight or no side to take, except to say that each and every one of you are smarter than this. Don't be manipulated by the media and outside sources that tell you what to believe- do your homework with reputable sources and form your own independent opinions. I am 100% fine if we completely disagree since I love to argue and debate with friends, but we can't do that if we base conversations on made-up fiction from some shoddy news agency with ulterior motives.

    I'm not saying there wasn't a leaked email that proved your point- I really have no idea. But if people are going to argue over it, let's at least look at the email itself and where it came from originally. If it's real, that should be very easy to follow on the Internet with legitimate sources and news outlets.
     
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    While I see what you're getting at, you're talking about Tweets belonging to an immunologist who was studying the virus.
     
  39. KeyFin

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    Okay, that makes sense- and hopefully you realize that wasn't directed at your viewpoint since you could be 100% correct here.
     
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  40. Finatik

    Finatik Season Ticket Holder Staff Member Club Member

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    That's just one immunologists opinion. Fauici has already said that his initial assessments were wrong. The CDC has said their initial assessments were wrong (social distancing and surfaces). While I get that it was "new" and you don't know what you don't know, I think the government has not told us the truth. They're in the "not telling the truth" business no matter what side of the aisle they sit on.

    I'm just happy that most of the Dolphins have the jab. This is an advantage over clubs that don't have a high rate of compliance. Losing a star player or players to the protocol when they catch it, and everyone will catch it eventually based on the reported communicability of this virus, that is an advantage. The best skill a player can have is availability.
     

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