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Dolphins get over the 85% goal

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Finatik, Jul 9, 2021.

  1. OwesOwn614

    OwesOwn614 Well-Known Member

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    I suppose that's because they're considered to be healthcare providers for the patients. They're required to protect that information as it's listed as confidential for them. Galant's tweet lays out parties who are not subject to HIPAA and employers are among them. Keep in mind, you shouldn't give employees' personal information to others but I'm supposing vaccination status isn't considered to be personal because an unvaxxed person can infect his/her coworkers, and divulging the information is a reasonable way to keep the workplace safe. Same for the NFL.

    If there was a health-related reason why that coworker couldn't take the shot, that would be protected because it was probably revealed through some process such as filing for FMLA or temporary disability. In those cases, I believe the company has to keep that information confidential.
     
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  2. Finatik

    Finatik Season Ticket Holder Staff Member Club Member

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    Choices have consequences. And why do the unvaxxed fear their decision being found out? Shouldn't people know who the typhoid Mary's are? :clap:
     
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  3. Puka-head

    Puka-head My2nd Fav team:___vs Jets Club Member

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    Slightly left of center
    https://www.lawserver.com/law/state/alabama/al-code/alabama_code_13a-6-242

    (b) For purposes of this section, a bodily fluid is blood, saliva, seminal fluid, mucous fluid, urine, or feces.

    (c) Assault with bodily fluids is a Class A misdemeanor; provided, however, a violation of this section is a Class C felony if the person commits the crime of assault with bodily fluids knowing that he or she has a communicable disease.

    Aids made spitting on a police officer an assault, with a deadly weapon. People were charged for it and rightfully so. Still a crime on the books. Think losing your job might suck?
    Saliva is a bodily fluid, airborne droplets of which are known to cause a wide selection of diseases, including the coronavirus in all it's 33 flavors. If I know I'm infected, or even possibly infected, and do not take precautions or even willfully disregard those precautions and infect another person, thru negligence if not intent why would I not be held liable under these very laws, or new ones about to come out of cases to be tried.
    Civil law would certainly apply. How about an employer who forces employees to work in close contact with employees who willfully disregarded OSHA safety regs and got someone else hurt. Think that employer is going to be held liable?
    There are lawsuits already happening against Life Care Center here in WA and other long term care facilities where the outbreak "first started" here in the US. Stay tuned.
    Employers absolutely have the right to limit their liability by making sure their employees are compliant with public health and safety regulations. If you work in food sanitation, food service, janitorial etc here in WA you are required to have a Hep B vaccine. Employers can require proof of tetinus vaccines all kinds of health requirements including drug testing as conditions of employment.
    The whole wristband thing is a little uncomfortable, but not unreasonable. The COVID protocols in the league require players who aren't vaccinated to follow last years rules. Players who are vaccinated don't have the same rules. Medical history privacy not being violated if it's treated as an access/security level thing. IE there are 5 floors in the building. Each floor of the building has it's own function, job requirements and access permissions. Lets use Green Yellow Red. Floors 1-2 all color badges/wristbands full access, floor Yellow, Red, and Green with Yellow direct supervision. Floor 4 Yellow and Red. Floor 5 Red only.
    Meet the requirements to get the Red badge, go anywhere, don't and just get to the Green level you don't get to go any higher than the 3rd floor with a friend. Nobodies right being violated. Or is it not OK for me not to bake your gay wedding cake? Make up your mind.
    The NFL and the Miami Dolphins et al have the absolute right to set the rules for admission and enforce them and NFL players and other employees have the absolute right to say not going to do it. NFL doesn't have a right to any players or persons service and no other employee has a right to employment without meeting the conditions of agreed to by both parties.

    Sorry that was a bit rambling but this whole civil rights argument when it comes to a virus is just annoying.

    I'm not a lawyer, but if I was...this is what could be called a target rich environment. Sad to say.
     
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  4. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity

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    With respect, is way off. Almost paranoid.

    Notice that the league doesn't do this for all players and all infectious diseases. Yet the risk could be there.

    Second, there's a massive difference between actively seeking to infect someone with a serious disease (which then was always deadly) and choosing not to have a certain vaccine.

    Players have often felt sick and still gone to work. They weren't committing assault. (Although I would generally advise anyone who is sick with any transmitable infection to stay at home).

    What's more, the vaccine doesn't guarantee a player isn't infected nor that they won't be transmitting the infection.

    Lastly, no matter how small the risk might seem to be to some people, there is some risk in taking a vaccine, and that's not an insignificant thing.

    Colour coding players achieves nothing other than helping to enforce a bureaucratic league policy. At the same time, it potentially stigmatises individuals.

    Notice how with aids, even though it could have been deadly, people weren't required to wear wristbands or badges. Stigma was a massive issue that lead to horrible consequences.

    With covid you could potentially have a scenario where a vaccinated player or coach is insulting an unvaccinated colleague where the latter isn't infected and the former is and is transmitting the sickness.

    Oh, and of course, all of this in the NFL 'bubbles. Does any of it stop players from interacting with people outside the league? No. Odds are probably that players will pick it up in home or social interactions than at work. But none of that is taken into consideration.

    Colour coding achieve nothing. It risks harm.
     
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  5. OwesOwn614

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    Yep. I mentioned earlier that people would freak out if a student (or teacher) was a vector for TB and allowed to infect an entire class. When I was a boy, they tested us for TB every year in elementary school. Was that a violation of my privacy rights? Why were they so concerned with learning my health status? Wasn't it a governmental intrusion?

    And I'll never forget being yanked out of the middle of a class as a sophomore and sent home because I hadn't had my MMR booster. They literally weren't going to allow me to return until I got the shot and updated their records. I screamed "my body, my choice!!" but they ignored me.*

    *This part isn't true.
     
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  6. Finatik

    Finatik Season Ticket Holder Staff Member Club Member

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    It's only their rights that matter.
     
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  7. KeyFin

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    LMAO...that impacted a good 20 seconds of my life. I absolutely lost it for a moment there!
     
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    Good one, had me smile again today!
     
  9. OwesOwn614

    OwesOwn614 Well-Known Member

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    And apparently, it's only when it's their bodies that anybody should have a choice.

    Just sayin', is all...
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  10. OwesOwn614

    OwesOwn614 Well-Known Member

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    Wow. The Football Team of Washington is digging in its heels against vaccination, in spite of Ron Rivera's risk as an immune-compromised former cancer patient. Eff all of them.
     
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